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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:07 PM
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I called the 22 Dems who voted to confirm Johnny Bob Taliban with
an important message: If you continue to vote with the repugs, we will find REAL Dems to face you in the primary. Otherwise, please kiss W's ass from the other side of the aisle.

Why did they vote for Johnny Bob unless they are trying to appeal to white, racist males? I just don't get it.

When Roe v. Wade is overturned, please remember the following 'dems:'

Baucus, MT
Bingaman, NM
Byrd, WV
Carper, DE
Conrad, ND
Dodd, CT
Dorgan, ND
Feingold, WI
Johnson, SD
Kohl, WI
Landrieu, LA
Leahy, VT
Levin, MI
Libermann, CT
Lincoln, AR
Murray, WA
Nelson, FL
Nelson, NB
Pryor, AR
Rockefeller, WV
Salazar, CO
Wyden, OR

Both Senators from West Virginia, Connecticut, North Dakota, Wisconsin, Arkansas....does this mean anything?

And when can we get rid of those 2 Nelsons???? They constantly vote with the repugs.




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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:08 PM
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1. Wow! You must have a lot of time on your hands!
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 10:50 AM
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28. interesting that the first thing you say is a put down

why was that?
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 08:28 AM
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42. Because the senators could care less what a non-constituent
has to say. It was a totally wasted effort that must have taken a lot of time. Ergo; OP must have a lot more free time than me. There! Is that better donsue?
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:12 PM
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2. Thank you! Good job!
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:12 PM
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3. I wrote to Patty Murray Wa. Dino
Asked her how she could confirm a Political Hack to the SCOTUS. Asked her to switch parties. Also wrote Cantwell Wa. and thanked her for a Nay vote.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 08:47 AM
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27. Bravo, I will do the same. nt
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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:13 PM
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4. and John Kerry is trying to drum up support
for Bill Nelson in Fla. I guess any Democrat is better than any Republican. I'd like to know how they think they are ever gonna defeat this insanity unless they stand together - they may not have the votes but they would certainly send a message. Yes I understand that those from the red states might be facing elections and don't want to piss off their constituents, but maybe their constituents are getting tired of this sh*t too!
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:22 PM
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8. Yeah, I got an e-mail from Kerry this morning
Asking for support for Nelson. He probably would be better than Katherine Harris, but not by much.

Kerry and Nelson. Both DLC.
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 03:53 AM
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20. Kerry's trying to help at-risk Dems, including Nelson and Byrd
How can you even say that? Katherine Harris aided in the theft of our country, but Nelson only "might" be better? You need some serious perspective.
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 07:33 PM
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41. Would you rather have someone who votes
with the republicans 50% of the time or 100% of the time? Tough decision I'm sure. Think about it.

If it helps think of it as anbody but Harris.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:14 PM
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5. Thank you
for calling all of them.
peace
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ragin_acadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:15 PM
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6. i hear ya on the Nelson, FL thing.
but hey, he's better than a REAL republican.

down here in the FL. panhandle, things could be much, much worse.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:17 PM
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7. Thank you!!

if they don't hear from us, they think we acquiesce.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:38 PM
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9. What did they say? (nt)
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:06 PM
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10. Actually a couple of the staffers agreed with me....
and sounded rather defeated....I am sure most of the folks answering the phones are young and didn't think their job would be tallying phone calls for and against certain issues.

I was prepared with cities and zip codes and I would say 1/2 of them asked me for that info.

Actually it takes no time at all...I have a toll free number that I 'redial' to the Hill...I make the calls while I grocery shop...I really get some looks when I ask for Senator so and so....and then start to express my dissatisfaction with their votes. Hey, if I have to listen jerks on their cell phones talk about crap, then they have to listen to me talk about SAVING DEMOCRACY!

If people standing in the check-out lane agree with what I am saying, I give them the toll free numbers and tell them to call and give the senators a piece of their mind(s)....It's really rather fun. Democracy in action. Of course, I get the pugs looking at me...but of late they have been very very very quiet.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:22 PM
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11. How much attention does a MT senator pay to a CA caller?
If you are not a voter in that senator's state, then they will largely ignore you.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:43 PM
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13. That's why I had gone to www.zipinfo.com for a city and zip
from the state I was calling for...get it? I was calling as a constituent...it's an old religious right, anti-choice tactic that I decided to use against them. It's not rocket science by any means...but those Senators do pay attention to their phone call tallies...
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 02:09 PM
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33. Ya but they all have caller ID
You can lie about your address, but that doesn't mean they're fooled...
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 02:45 PM
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34. I use the toll free number to the switchboard.....
and then I am transferred to the senator, member of congress, or staff member. No one knows where I am calling from....and for that matter, people from one state actually travel to other states and make phone calls.

As far as I am concerned, I don't like these Senators from other states affecting MY rights....after all, we are the UNITED States of America and if the RR and the anti-choice crowd use these tactics, so can I.

I will use every means I have available to fight for my democratic rights and freedoms....if you don't like these tactics, you don't have to use them.

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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:32 PM
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12. I'm sure they appreciated you wasting their time.
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 10:32 PM by geek tragedy
Newsflash: Montana and Nebraska Democrats don't give a flying fuck what people from Ohio think of them.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:57 PM
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14. geek...I pretended I was a constituent...
had a city and zip code of the state I was calling...as stated above...this is an old religious right, anti-choice tactic that I decided to use in my/our favor. And those staffers wouldn't have jobs if it weren't for people like me calling...you got any better ideas, geek?

For example, I am calling Salazar:

Hello, this is 'pissed off voter from Denver'....I am calling to tell Senator Salazar of my great disappointment with his vote for confirmation of John Roberts....he has voted with the republicans on other occasions. Does he want to cross the aisle? If so, fine. If not, a nationwide movement is afoot to challenge dinos in the primary. Please give the Senator my message, thank you. And my address is.....116 Elm St. Denver, CO 80221. Usually all they want is city and zip...which I have....because I visited www.zipinfo.com .

This is an old pug trick that the little defeatist dems don't like to use because they are either: lazy. defeated. whiney. scared. spineless. Or want to fight another day on a more important issue that suits 'them.'
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 11:44 AM
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30. So you lied and wasted their time. Congrats on your trolling. eom
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 02:48 PM
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35. Geek, what's up? Are you a pug?
Don't you get it? Do you like Democratic Senators voting w/ the pugs? Is that OK with you? I am not wasting anyone's time. I will whatever tactics I can to fight for my democracy and my rights.

Maybe you have another agenda? Whatever it is....good luck to you.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 05:30 PM
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36. No, I just believe in individual conscience and telling the truth. eom
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:06 PM
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31. Maybe they don't want to lie
Just a thought.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 05:55 PM
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40. If they trust Bush's nominees, then they are either lying or stupid. n/t
n/t
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Savannah Progressive Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:01 PM
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15. Outstanding and I agree wholeheartedly
Things for our Party are looking up. That is why the actions of the so called Democrats is so infuriating.

We are purported to be the opposition party. What kind of opposition are we providing when half our elected leaders side with the enemy. We hear the apologists say that only 20% of Americans identify themselvs as Liberals.

The question isn't how many people identify themselvs as Liberal, it's how many support our policies, ideals, and principals. That is where we should focus our efforts, not on this running to the right to try and placate a repug Bush loving media. In answer to the correct question, an overwhelming majority of people support the progressive agenda of a responsible government acting in behalf of the people.

If our elected officials in Washington don't believe in the ideas of the people, then we will send those who do believe in serving the people. We have to stop sending Fascists to Washington just because they have a "D" behind their name.
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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 11:19 PM
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16. Thanks for that list as I will try to contact them and let them know they
just supported someone who helped Jr. commit election fraud. Wow what wonderful honor and integrity we have on the high court (not)!
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 02:42 AM
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17. Try getting "real" Dems to run in the South
and watch them really get less than 40% of the vote come election day....
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Savannah Progressive Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 03:25 AM
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18. Real Dems in the South?
Yes, we have them. Cynthia McKinney lost one race, and was back the very next year. Hardly a Bushite http://www.vote-smart.org/bio.php?can_id=H0965103 McKinney has been rated at a 0% by the National Right to life group.

Her Voting record and positions are at the link above, a good reference site for those who wish to research your local candidates.

She is a much better Democrat than Zell ever was, and won her last election quite well.

John Barrow, another Democrat, who is in his first term won over the Repugnik in a "Conservative" area. He is a little conservative for me, but demonstrates that the "D" can win, and win running against the "indefeatable" "R" behind the name.

The Repugniks are not supermen, despite their bloated opinion of themselvs as the perfect human, white and rich. They don't represent the views of mainstream america, and they don't represent the ideals of the future. Well unless your future vision is a bad remake of THX-1138 or 1984 where Total Control is the way to perfect thought.

We can win, we are growing faster than anyone on the right can imagine, and we will take back the House, then the Senate and the White House. It's time to rescue the peoples house from the crooks who infest it. The only drawback is the three days of Fumigation that will be needed after the Bushites are dragged kicking and screaming from power on the 20th of January 2009.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 03:52 AM
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19. See what happens if McKinney ran state-wide...
My guess would be 30% tops.

Anyone with a D or an R after their name can win in gerrymandered districts.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 04:20 AM
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21. This is why we can't win.
Half of our guys are really their guys. And by guys I mean men and women.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 04:21 AM
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22. Some 40+ Republicans voted for Ginsberg and Breyer in 1993
And they sure did a lot of winning a year later.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 04:30 AM
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23. I don't think it helps to have a Repub disguised by a (D).
Though if you look on Free Republic they complain about the same thing in reverse. I wonder where they get that from. :shrug:
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 04:44 AM
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24. So where all the GOPpers that voted for Ginsberg and Breyer Dems
disguised as Rs?

Unless the nominee is Borkesque, a president usually gets his pick, it is the consequence of elections.

I see nothing wrong with the oppisition party voting to confirm that nominee if he/she is qualified for the job.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 05:24 AM
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25. Perhaps I don't feel that Roberts is qualified.
This is only my opinion. And you obviously have your opinion. That's what democracy is about.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 08:05 AM
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26. I agree that Roberts isn't qualified...
He's the Mike Brown of the SCOTUS. And I think that Scalia is justifiably pissed off (see other thread) about not getting the CJ post, particularly in favor a guy who's only been a judge for two years. Three-quarters of the federal judges in America have more experience.

That being said, unless there's a screaming defect in the nominee, it's customary for the President to get his choice. Beyond that, Roberts is a right-wing hack who's replace an previous and now deceased right-wing hack, so I would suspect that the offending Senators are keeping their powder dry for the nominee to replace Sandra Day O'Conner. She is, in fact, a more important vote than the reliably-conservative Rehnquist.

Had the opposed Roberts anymore forcefully, the MSM spin would be that the Democrats are obstructing any GWB nominee.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 12:41 PM
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32. ISN'T qualified is what I meant to say.
:blush: D'OH!
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-01-05 11:43 AM
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29. Carl Levin?!?! Yikes.
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Heewack Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 05:42 PM
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37. Your big mistake...
... is to think that these Senator's constituents are just as progressive as we are, and thus should vote as WE think they should vote. I surely don't want to be a lock step party like the pugs where one has to vote the national determined line. I want to be represented.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 05:53 PM
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39. Didn't most Red-State consituents support the war in Iraq at one time too?
But now they dont. Most voters really do award leaders in the end.

I do want a little lock-step voting for once- we need some unity against Bush's criminal policies & appointees.

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-02-05 05:50 PM
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38. I hear it has somthing to do with "wet powder." We must keep it DRY.
Apparently focus groups don't like it when DEMs allow their powder to get moist.

When the next______(Insert nominee, Bill, Bush scandal, etc here) comes along- THEN we will pour water on our powder.

The strategists who lost the last 3 elections have their fingers on the pulse of America- and one thing is conclusive- NO WET POWDERS!!!
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