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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:03 PM
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Isn't ANYBODY but us talking about Bush's drinking?
It's discussed on liberal blogs and websites and on liberal talk radio but there are some liberal people who simply won't accept a story by the National Enquirer.

Has anyone seen any mainstream press on this? Is it just going to die from lack of exposure?
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:15 PM
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1. Jay Leno has been talking about it
For what that's worth. :shrug:
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:16 PM
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2. The rumor was that there was a "real" MSM story in the works.
But who knows?
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:18 PM
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3. A likely canard! Why fall for it.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:19 PM
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4. I think it's doomed.....
we need to publicize understandable information for the public (from a reputable source.... AMA, or something) concerning EXACTLY what it means to a "dry drunk" as opposed to an alcoholic in recovery.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:24 PM
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25. But what if he's just a drunk? n/t
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 06:24 PM
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26. If you're a dry drunk then you're not "in recovery".....
So you're more likely to slam a shot!
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:24 PM
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5. I'm not because ...

... I don't care. Frankly, I've only known one teetotaling politician, and he was a sanctimonious Republican and huge backer of draconian laws of all kinds. I don't trust sober politicians.
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Geoff R. Casavant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:51 PM
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10. "If by whiskey"
An apocryphal politician was once asked during a debate whether he approved of a measure to prohibit whiskey sales on Sundays. His response was, "if by whiskey you mean that liquid that can warm a cold man, bring solace to his heart, and help him pass a jovial evening with his friends, then no, I do not agree. If by whiskey you mean that liquid which can make a man destroy his family and himself, then most certainly I agree."

A healthy appreciation and respect for alcohol and a well-made drink is, in my opinion, essential for true happiness in this world.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:24 PM
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6. Meh. I'm a bit uncaring on it myself...
The only thing that makes this interesting is that he supposedly quit. Who cares if the guy boozes? If he was a great leader but was nevertheless half in the bag 24/7, I wouldn't give a damn. It's what Bush has done to America and the world that should be focused on, not what he does to himself.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:36 AM
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16. I don't think being impaired is good for anybody
We don't allow people to get away with driving a car while impaired. Why should we say it's ok to run the country impaired?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 10:25 AM
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43. Because alcohol is legal and so is....
getting blasted in the privacy of your own home.

I say again -- if we had a brilliant president who made fantastic decisions that benefited most Americans but who also drank heavily, I'd be perfectly happy. It's the policy decisions of this president that are important, not the personal ones.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:00 PM
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44. While I agree that it is the policy decisions that matter
and I would not want to see a new Prohibition or laws against getting tanked in the privacy of your own home, I do have a problem with the notion of a president running the country while impaired by any substance. Don't get me wrong: I enjoy wine with my dinner every night so I am hardly a teetotaler, but it just seems to me that getting drunk or high or stoned just makes you useless. (Of course, with Bush, useless is his natural condition!).
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:31 PM
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7. I seem to recall an article in the Guardian
but I could be wrong. On the other hand, the Brits are usually more on top of things.
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:39 PM
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8. I don't really care
If he was a good leader that drank I wouldn't care. I only care because he's ruining my country.
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this_side_up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:48 PM
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9.  Letterman
Top Ten Signs George W. Bush Is Having A Bad Vacation


10. "Has the haggard look of someone getting only nine hours of sleep a night"



9. "Arrested at Crawford Mobil station after trying to 'pump and run'"



8. "Asked if Cheney would let him help run the country"



7. "So bored he actually read a couple of pages of an intelligence briefing"



6. "He's drinking more than the twins"



5. "He's cutting it short from 12 weeks to 8"



4. "Just asked Pat Robertson to assassinate his travel agent"



3. "Flew down to Miami and put a cap in Suge Knight's knee"



2. "Accidentally gave Laura the Necklace engraved 'Condoleezza'"



1. "Spent past week setting up new television so he can watch Dave in Hi-Def"
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 05:09 PM
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12. good for Dave--he's not even pretending to be apolitical any more
Dave, :yourock:
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this_side_up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:39 PM
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13.  :) Yes, I like DL as a person and entertainer
And he did push a lot of wake-up buttons with this.

I do wish he'd go back with the clips of GWB: Statesman,
Orator, Economist, etc. especially with all of the
recent clips where the moron is drunk and/or high
on whatever.

Since he has not done those since July? I think
CBS jumped on him.

Sad. The censorship.

And he did this Toip 10 August 19. Way before the NE
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 07:05 PM
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15. Letterman
"Now here's some sad information coming out of Washington. According to reports, President Bush may be drinking again. And I thought, 'Well, why not? He's got everybody else drinking.'"

"Now is a great time for President Bush to go on vacation because Iraq is pretty much under control. But a White House spokesman said Bush is using his vacation to reconnect with regular people. So you know what that means -- he's drinking again."

"I saw the president on TV. I think he's only had three press conferences during prime time. I though he looked calm. I thought he looked confident. I thought he looked focused. That's right, he was drinking again."

"In the speech President Bush said that as a country we have a calling from 'beyond the stars.' You know what this means? Hes drinking again."

"President Bush wants to build a space station on the moon. And from the moon, he wants to launch people to Mars. You know what this means. He's been drinking again."

"According to the folks at the White House the federal budget deficit is now a whooping $427 billion dollars. For a guy who quit drinking President Bush sure knows how to run up a tab."

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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:59 PM
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11. Google 'Bush" and "Booze" and you get a million links: just a few here
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snowbird42 Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 06:58 PM
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14. I posted this , this morning
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:51 AM
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17. Sounds just like Nixon
:scared:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:22 AM
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21. So has Drudge....the Enquirer has more cred around here than CHB (nt)
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:41 AM
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18. National Enquirer is often out in front of the pack
They got sued badly in decades past, and have learned their lesson. They now fact check things to death. If the Enquirer says it, the MSM knows there's some truth behind it.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:24 AM
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22. Not this shit again....
Please go to the Enquirer's website and search clinton.

Then you can talk about fact checking and reliability etc.

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Ferret Annica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 02:54 AM
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32. Here is a thread on LibertyPost...
...that I worked in my FReeper nick of Ferret about the NE story:

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=11019... title: BUSH'S BOOZE CRISIS
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:44 AM
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19. Link to the Enquirer "bush drinking" story
BUSH'S BOOZE CRISIS

By JENNIFER LUCE and DON GENTILE

Faced with the biggest crisis of his political life, President Bush has hit the bottle again, The National Enquirer can reveal.

Bush, who said he quit drinking the morning after his 40th birthday, has started boozing amid the Katrina catastrophe.

Family sources have told how the 59-year-old president was caught by First Lady Laura downing a shot of booze at their family ranch in Crawford, Texas, when he learned of the hurricane disaster.

His worried wife yelled at him: "Stop, George."

Following the shocking incident, disclosed here for the first time, Laura privately warned her husband against "falling off the wagon" and vowed to travel with him more often so that she can keep an eye on Dubya, the sources add.

"When the levees broke in New Orleans, it apparently made him reach for a shot," said one insider. "He poured himself a Texas-sized shot of straight whiskey and tossed it back. The First Lady was shocked and shouted: "Stop George!" ...

(MORE)



http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/63426
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GayCanuck Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:03 AM
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20. relaspes
are common for alcoholics; I should know, I've been through a few myself. I'd be shocked if it wasn't true.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:28 AM
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23. Not as long as Shrub keeps slurring words, such as "nukular power PANTS"
Stephanie Miller show keeps replaying that one! Priceless.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-03-05 06:38 PM
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46. Nucular power pants
Does anyone have a clip of Bush saying Nucular power pants? I heard it on Stephanie Miller and it's priceless, one of my favorite Bushisms.
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:12 PM
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24. It's not like he's in charge. n/t
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 07:51 PM
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27. I don't think Bush has ever stopped drinking
The National Enquirer story almost made him seem sympathetic. As far as I'm concerned, Bush was is and always will be an alcoholic substance abusing frat boy who has never found jesus and never quit drinking.

The story about him becoming born again is made up BS for the religious sheeple.

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:23 PM
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28. I agree, it is quite likely he never stopped....
I have heard that there are pictures of him with alcohol going back
since he has been in the WH.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:32 PM
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29. I have to admit I am not inclined to believe a story in the NE. Look at
all the "Hillary is a lesbian" or "Bill and Hillary in divorce fight" headlines they have had. I may not like Bush. I may think he drinks his ass off every weekend. But the NE is hardly the place to prove it.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 02:44 AM
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30. I don't think we should
People either sympathize or see it as overcoming adversity.
People have dealt with substance abuse themselves or with family or friends too much to hold this against him.
People who started out sort of neutral towards him- giving him the benefit of the doubt, take what we say badly. This stuff about him being dumb makes just people feel sorry for him. Because, he's sort of like a "regular guy" trying his best at a hard job. Then, he has problems just like anyone else when substance abuse is factored in.
We know he is ANYTHING but a regular guy with regular problems.
But, I think trying to capitalize on these particular weaknessess only contributes to the faux populist image he has cultivated.
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 02:49 AM
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31. No, I do not think so.If he CLAIMS he's holy christian, he's gotta act
like it.Alcoholism is a serious thing and if he is making decisions that effect the country under the influence then hell, he ought not be there.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:08 AM
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33. ugh!!
rightous fundamentalism is every bit as ugly in people who support and oppose Bush.
If it's about decisions, make it about decisions. That's what I'm worried about- policy and decisions. Getting distracted by other things is taking our eye off the ball.
Unless someone there brings it up with concerns AND proof, this is a no-win issue.
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:17 AM
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34. Well, I like how Howard Dean approached it.Check this out:
snip

Koppel: Let me ask you to keep your hat as Democratic National Chairman on for a moment, and give me a frankly partisan assessment of how, if at all, this can help the Democrats.

Dean: Well, I dont think it helps the country at allthats the big issue. I mean, in times like these you kind of wince. This is not good for America. Weve had some terrible blows: weve had the Presidents blunders in Iraq, weve had the disaster Katrina which embarrassed us in front of the whole world, and now the whole world again gets to see the leadership in both the White House and the House and the Senate be indicted or investigated or arrested for corruption. Its not a great time for America. I think Americans are sick of this. And I can tell you one thing; when we get back in power, which I believe is going to be in 2006 in the congressional, were going to have some ethics reform in Washington. Were going to get tough, and were going to get tough on everybody, not just Republicans. Enough of this in Washington! We ought to have substantial ethics reforms in Congress and to get serious about this.

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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:42 AM
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39. I like that too
We need to reclaim the word REFORM! It was stolen in Missouri when they created the "Medicaid reform commission." And of course they have been using "tax reform" and "welfare reform" forever.
We need to claim the role of progressive reformers. Congressional ethics reform is a good starting point. I don't think substance abuse is necessarily an ethical issue. I would hate to see us demonize it that way.
I have worked so hard to try to help people who have comorbid mental illnessess gain some legitimacy. There are many times that they self medicate and I have stood up for them. I have worked very hard to try to convince people that it is not evil it is just an illness.
I would not participate in the hypocricy of bashing someone for it just because I don't like their policies. I really think the policies should be the focus.
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:46 AM
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40. Well, sure. However,Ya gotta admit.It makes for great gossip.Besides,
this is the DU website, not a conference room at the DNC Headquarters.LOL Ya know?I mean, I am quite sure the major dem's have a better strategy than Bush on Boose.
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:31 AM
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41. I'm not worried about the choir
This is a public site. Lots of people come here to browse.
My point was that that pointing out those weaknesses reinforces the false image he has created. In other words, he ultimately benefits from it.
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 05:39 AM
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42. I see your point.But we all know fact from fiction.This is why our
democratic leades wont even talk about this because they have bigger better ammo.LOL
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:17 AM
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Well, I like how Howard Dean approached it.Check this out:
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 03:19 AM by ladylibertee
sorry,
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:17 AM
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35. Well, I like how Howard Dean approached it.Check this out:
Edited on Fri Sep-30-05 03:19 AM by ladylibertee
snip

sorry
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:19 AM
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36. OOP's I meant that for someone else
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:59 PM
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45. He's a Methodist like me
Drinking A-Okay with us.
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PantPlant Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:19 AM
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37. I don't care if Bush drinks
Complete and utter non-issue.

Why are you caring about it?

What fuckin differecne does it make?

I drink, but only to excess, am I on your criminal list now?

Give it a rest and go on to real stuff.
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Ferret Annica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 03:28 AM
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38. Live one, ain'tcha?
"I drink, but only to excess, am I on your criminal list now?"

If you are President, you are on mine. ;-)

An alcoholic has a disease that should be treated by someone other then the victim of the illness him or herself. And they should definitely not drink again.
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