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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:16 PM
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Dr. Dean vindicated for "controversial" DeLay remark
Remember the hugh flap last May when Dean had the audacity to state that Tom DeLay should be "serving in jail?

(Here's a link to one of countless stories on it: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7925421 / )

Well, it appears this is just the latest of a string of Dean's so-called shoot-from-the-hip gaffes that have ultimately been proven to be true.

For instance, remember the outcry (some from fellow Dems) when Howard said the U.S. public was no safer as a result of Saddam being captured? Now the majority of Americans agree, according to polls.

Anybody care to offer up some other examples of a Dean statement originally being called outrageous but later being accepted as true?
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:17 PM
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1. Thanks for the reminder!
You just got to love it!

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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:28 PM
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8. Here is the article - "Dean stands by Delay jail remark
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 02:28 PM by Pirate Smile

Dean stands by Delay jail remark
DNC chair says House majority leader is 'corrupt'



Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean says he won't apologize for saying earlier this month that House Majority Leader Tom DeLay "ought to go back to Houston where he can serve his jail sentence."

-snip-
"Tom DeLay is corrupt. No question about it," Dean said Friday. "This is a guy who shouldn't be in Congress and maybe ought to be serving in jail."

The House ethics committee is investigating whether DeLay violated congressional rules by taking foreign trips paid for by lobbyists. The Texas Republican has not been charged with a crime, but Dean said he would not apologize for saying earlier this month that DeLay "ought to go back to Houston where he can serve his jail sentence."

He told The Associated Press on Friday, "Maybe I'm prophetic."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7925421




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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 01:29 AM
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33. Oh, I love this. My husband worked so hard for Howard Dean --
How do we represent the vocalization he made after Iowa -- that was edited so badly that it brought him down?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:55 AM
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46. Maybe they don't call you a doctor for nothin
;) He's good at observation. Maybe he has some special little powers inside of him eh? Or could be just common sense.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:19 PM
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2. kick!
Another spoonful on the Mt. Everest of proof that the corporate media are fully in league with BushCo. Inc.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:19 PM
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3. Dean told the AP, "Maybe I'm prophetic"
No kidding?! This is the guy who should be sitting in the Oval Office now, not Nero!!

http://www.rathergood.com/laibach
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:19 PM
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4. Jeez, I wonder what else he has said that he was ostracized for that
came true in the end? Anyone???
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:21 PM
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6. General Wesley Clark has often done the same, made predictions
on how things will turn out which turn out to be correct.

But he too wasn't believed by some at the time.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:23 PM
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7. Well, you can start with him being damned for his talk about war.
Remember it was Dean and Kicinish who were against the war from the very beginning, and all the other Dem candidates were slamming him for it. NOW most American's agree with him.

I bet this DeLay indictment made Dean happier than even we are!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:56 AM
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47. There should be a psychic thread for things like that
There should be a special thread for things democrats such as Dean and Clark and any others have said something and they got ridiculued for it and it turned out true. Does anybody have anything about that?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:12 AM
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53. Dean was NOT against the war even in early 2003
He actually said the inspectors should begiven a deadline (rather than an open ended time frame to succeed.) Joe Trippi saw the opening as an anti-war candidate. So, Dean who wasn't a Senator changed his position and was seen as more anti-war than the others (other than Kuchinich). He also was an extremely moderate governor, not a liberal. (In fact every summer when we went to VT, the Burlington paper seemed to be covering some argument or other he was having with a progressive party that exists in VT)
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:38 PM
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10. Newsflash: Research proves GOP IS "pretty much a white, Christian party"
:rofl:
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:40 PM
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11. Hmmmmm
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:56 AM
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48. LOL
I loved that.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:20 PM
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5. YeeeHawww
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:29 PM
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9. Kicked and nominated. eom
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:41 PM
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12. Howard Dean was right. Again.
No surprise here, of course, but maybe some who are always trying to discredit him should really start paying attention :)
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 02:41 PM
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13. Dean only made ONE gaffe that made me wince
The one about Osama Bin Laden. All the rest of his "gaffe's" were either plain spoken truths or maybe a bit politically incorrect.

Oh wait - not knowing Job was old testament. 2
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:07 PM
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17. That was true too. n/t
Edited on Wed Sep-28-05 03:07 PM by tasteblind
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:17 PM
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19. Yeah but I knew it would cost him
and it did. I still think Howard Dean is smarter than most politicians, and a lot of the Flack he gets is from GOP talking points or the DLC.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:57 AM
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49. What was the comment??
:shrug:
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:02 AM
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52. What about his remarks about rednecks in their pickup trucks with
their Confederate flags during the debates?

Wasn't a prediction or anything, but a hell of a gaffe, which infuriated John Edwards.
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Michigander4Dean Donating Member (588 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:01 PM
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14. That's my Howard! | nt
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:04 PM
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15. It sure would be nice if MSM was made aware of this. Dean deserves it
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:07 PM
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18. You'll have to speak louder...into this directional mike....
Yeah, MSM will apologize :eyes:
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 03:06 PM
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16. Dean must have a crystal ball.
You know, of course, that the political definition of "gaffe" is when a politician accidentally speaks the truth, right?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:15 PM
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20. Dean has knowledge and is not
afraid to speak out with it..especially when it involves someone as corrupt as tommyboy delay.

And other times he just uses common sense which is in such short supply in Washington D.C. and the freaked out beltway.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:58 AM
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50. Maybe he pulls a Nancy Reagan
Maybe he has an astrologer he calls up. ;)
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:44 AM
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56. "definition of "gaffe" is when a politician accidentally speaks the truth"
Yep.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:18 PM
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21. Barney Frank needs to eat his tie
Frank was one of those liberal House Reps who chastised Dean for his remark about Delay.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 01:30 AM
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34. Barney Frank eats -- others things --
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:17 AM
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54. Barney Frank was and is right
In this country you are innocent till proven quilty. Even now when he has been indicted, the statement is premature. If (heaven forbid)Dean is accused of breaking some law, I would be horrified by RW statements that he should be in jail. The Republicans are quilty of trying to weaken our rights, we do NOT want to follow there example.

In our hearts, we can be happy, but our leaders have to be carefull in what they say.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:47 AM
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57. And all that being careful with our words has gotten us so very far,
hasn't it? The GOP is in control of all branches of government.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:22 PM
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22. Dean is politically profetic, and he's not afraid to speak his mind.
:toast:
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 04:24 PM
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23. He said we need to have discussions about Race relations in our country.
Katrina proved it.
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cowboy hula girl Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:23 PM
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24. Thanks for the memory.... I love Dean and find him rarely...
if ever wrong..... GO GO GO DR DEAN......
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:52 PM
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28. Welcome to DU,
cowboy hula girl~! I'd like the "ocean" to be my hobby again..I used to live on Kauai but have been landlocked for a few years..plan to move to the Big Island in a couple of years. Aloha~
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:59 AM
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51. Welcome to the newbie
:hi:
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 01:32 AM
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35. Hi Cowboy Hula Girl -- and welcome!
We're packing to go to Hawai'i -- this time, to Oahu for three weeks with family members. Can't wait.

Are you on the Big Island by any chance? We have some great memories of horseback riding on Hawai'i.

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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:33 PM
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25. Wasn't that when Joe Biden "disassociated" himself with Dean's remarks?
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:52 PM
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27. Yeah. On ABC's "This Week," Biden said...
...Dean "doesn't speak for me with that kind of rhetoric and I don't think he speaks for the majority of Democrats."

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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 12:58 AM
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29. Anybody know what Biden is saying now?? n/t
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 01:21 AM
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31. Hey Bidden! Where's our apology from you?!!!
I know, I know, we won't hold our breath expecting anything honerable from you.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 01:20 AM
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30. Another reason to hate Bidden, Love Dean.
I hate the vichy dems anyway.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-28-05 11:42 PM
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26. Dr. Dean Has the Last Laugh - And I'm Laughing With Him
After all the tears shed by so many of us from these CRIMINALS, it's about damn time!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 01:25 AM
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32. Howard "Carnack" Dean.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 01:38 AM
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36. "Republicans are evil"
He was vilified for making that statement when he visited here in Lawrence, Kansas. A few days later Republican Dennis Rader was caught and later convicted of being the BTK serial killer in Wichita.

Coincidence?
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 04:34 AM
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37. VIDEO: Dean talking about Delay - MSNBC - May 22, 2005
Here's the link to the video:
Dean/Delay video on Meet the Press
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 05:32 AM
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38. Are we in junior high school?
Why does anyone feel they have to answer to the Republicans for what they say? My inclination is to tell them to piss off. They are going to bitch about everything anyway. I think Dems should just ignore these old cackling women.
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:08 AM
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40. The Kerry team ignored the Swift Boat Liars, and looked where it got `em.
It was the biggest mistake of the campaign.

Unfortunately, there are too many people in this country willing to believe the GOP's lies and mischaracterizations, and they will continue to believe the GOP unless Dems grow a spine and defend themselves.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:30 AM
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43. not the same thing
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 09:58 AM by AtomicKitten
like I said in my post, neither Dean nor any other Democrat owes the Republicans anny kind of apology or explanation for anything they say.

Of course Dean was right and I'm glad he said it, just like I'm glad he's said every allegedly controversial thing he has said. I'm just saying the Republicans whine about everything. I like it when Dean just does his own thing.

And we can only pray that Delay goes to jail!

Ps: Of course, I absolutely agree with it being a huge mistake to not answer the swiftboaters.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:31 AM
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55. I agree that may be likely
but it's as likely that had Kerry have made a strong emotional attack on those attacking him, it would have only made it worse and harder to get his message across (in the 1 -2 minutes allotted). The election was close - if Kerry would have won, the story would be that he didn't allow them to distract him from real issues.

He did put about 120 pages of naval records on the website (which were the complete records of his service, except for 1 page the navy hadn't given him which rated him in the top category and recommended accelerated promotion) and he did get people like a Chicago Tribune editor who was a lt in another boat when he got his silver star to give their accounts. A vast number of charges in the book were disproved. The press, on the Bush accusations condemned Rather for a possibly forged document - even thouh the secretary said the content was as she remembered it and rejected several well sourced charges as well. With Kerry, the book made 100s of charges, people on Kerry's team showed the major ones to be untrue and proved many people were lying and that they were likely coached - and the presses reaction was to ask them to disprove the rest of them.
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ladylibertee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 05:38 AM
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39. This is perfect.now, America is starting to feel the effects of the
coffee.these next fews weeks are going to be very bad for the Republicans.There is just too much being tossed at them, they do not have time to strategies.I'm loving it :popcorn:
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:25 AM
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41. 1 thing said ABOUT him on DU that proved to be ridiculous:
more than one anti-Dean DUer predicted that if Dean didn't get the nomination, he would split his supporters off into a 3rd party. I can still remember how dumb that sounded then, how it showed the poster didn't have the faintest idea of what Dean was like or what he was about. Dean was never about Dean per se, he has been a solid Democrat from Day One.
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kalyanvenkat Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:27 AM
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42. File contempt of court on Fox news
Fox news's John Gibson says that attorney Earle conspired with the grand jury to get Tom Delay indicted. I can't believe that a mainstream press can say this in USA. Fox has clearly crossed the line between freedom of speech and contempt of court. Also are there any laws in USA for contempt of court?
John Gibson's views are posted in the fox news website.
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Thtwudbeme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:37 AM
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44. He worded it more carefully than that; he never used the word "conspired"
He wrote "got the jury to go along with him."

Well...hell...isn't that what trial lawyers are supposed to do? Use evidence to make their case to a jury?

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kalyanvenkat Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:49 AM
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45. You are correct
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 10:24 AM by kalyanvenkat
Yes you are correct. Though he has carefully worded if you read the entire article he indicts the jury itself!!
I think john gibson's next article will be comparing delay indictment with the crucification of Jesus )-
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 11:25 AM
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58. Armstead makes some good points on this topic...
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 09:15 PM
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59. Kick!
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