Its 2008...EVERYONE is running...How do you vote in your primary?

[Rowdyboy]

Poll question: Its 2008...EVERYONE is running...How do you vote in your primary?

Just for the hell of it, who would win the ultimate Democratic smackdown? The blowout Democratic primary free-for-all, a donnybrook of epic proportions...Every major group of the party is engaged and, when the smoke clears, we see who's left standing!

(Ran out of space and had to combine McKinney/Kucinich. They're both solid progressives and I doubt they'd mind)

[mb7588a]

1. Feingold baby yeaahhh! nt.

[Joyce78]

3. Feingold -- twice divorced?

Committment phobic perhaps? Made some wrong choices? I have trouble betting on Feingold.

[Patchuli]

7. But Feingold voted to approve Roberts

yuck.

[ladylibertee]

22. Yup! I am pissed the F@#$ off at him right now.I am also pissed at

Kohl(sp) too.Both of my Senators are two faced dumb f#@%&'s right now.I hate Wisconsin and I hate them.I will NOT be voting for them in Any election and will actively campaign AGAINST them BOTH. I hate them.:mad: :mad: :mad: Did I mention I hate them now?

[Rowdyboy]

10. I have enormous respect for Russ Feingold.....

His rejection of corporate money, forcing him to run against opponents who were FAR better funded, his opposition to the Patriot Act and the war in Iraq, his refusal to support tax cuts and his overall populist record.

I've been really surprised by the hateful reaction today because of one vote on a judicial nomination that is already guaranteed to pass. I trust Russ Feingold's judgment (doesn't mean I agree with him, just that I respect his right to an opinion that differs from mine). He's one of my top three candidate for the nomination in 2008 regardless.

[LittleClarkie]

19. Yep, he'd be up there for me too

and considering his normal policy of voting for nominees, with (I think it was) Gonzalez being one of the only exceptions, I wasn't surprised. Not completely happy, mind you. But I can disagree with Russ and still support him.

[ladylibertee]

23. Respect ? Hmm Interesting .

[Patchuli]

52. Then why in the heck did he approve

of a man who will happily strip women of basic rights?!

[FreedomAngel82]

56. So why did he have to ruin that record with Roberts?

Ugh. Sad really. He would've been a choice of mine too after Gore and Kerry cause of his previous votes.

[Wwagsthedog]

2. None of the above.

Houston, TX Mayor Bill White gets my vote.

[MrSlayer]

4. Wes Clark.

But I actually am coming around to the idea of a "How you like me now?" Gore run and would choose him second, then Kucinich.

[win_in_06]

27. Is that your idea? Using that as a slogan?

That would be awesome! Even get Kool Moe Dee to perform at the convention.

[MrSlayer]

47. Yeah I think that would be a cool slogan for him.

It's hip, it's urban and it's relevant.

[FreedomAngel82]

57. Toby Keith has that song though

Blech. "I'm going to kick your ass" Toby Keith.

[tk2kewl]

5. tough to choose between Al and Wes

[Totally Committed]

38. They are both FINE men, to be sure...

Clark, as I'e said is my first choice, but if he decides not to run, and Al does, I could support Al, no probs.

TC

[tk2kewl]

43. The two of them would make a great ticket...

but I don't think Wes is a second banana and Al is certainly not

[Wilms]

6. I clicked Kerry...

but it came up Bush. WTF?

[Pirate Smile]

15. LOL. .... whimper .... sniff

[dooner]

8. I'd pick Boxer over Clinton any day

but I like Edwards chances right now.

[mvd]

9. Kucinich/McKinney

Though I would also enthusiastically support Gore, Dean, Feingold, and possibly Clark. Those are ones I like plus ones I think can win. Personally, I wouldn't want to run Kerry again, though I admire him.

[FreedomAngel82]

58. Ooo nice!

I like that idea with McKinney. Imagine having a tiny little black kickass woman from the deep south as your vice president. Hehe. I'd like that one! And a little anti-war guy as president. That'd be cool. I'd also like Boxer/McKinney. Girl power!

[Zodiak]

11. I would kill to have this field to choose from

There are so many people on that list that I would ultimately vote for. Three of them I am not that familiar with, though.

This is one tough choice.....I like Edwards for populism. I like Clark for electability, respect, and fitting well into Democratic shoes, Kucinich/McKinney is a wet dream!!, but I gave my vote to Gore.

He deserves it, and his present incarnation as a fiery, progressive, muckraking, humble, superhero really tells me that justice would be served if he took the reins. It is karmically right.

[Pirate Smile]

12. Nominated to get it on the GP to get a better view of who more people

want.

Although - 2006 is all that matters right now.

[Rowdyboy]

16. I really wanted to see how DU rates the entire field.....I haven't even

voted yet myself!

[Carolab]

13. I want Dean to stay as chair but I also want him to run.

I know he said he won't. So I picked Al.

[deadparrot]

14. In my first presidential primary...Clark. :)

And proudly.

[FrenchieCat]

17. Me....I want Wes!

Where was Vice President Gore when the CBC was calling to shake up the congress during the 2000 election?

Where was Vice President Gore's voice when 800,000 Rwandans were being macheted to death? :shrug:

Where was Vice President Gore when he selected Lieberman as his running mate?

And why did I see Gore endorse a candidate prior to any votes being cast in 2004, telling us all to get on board--instead of allowing voters to decide?

I like Al Gore, but he didn't excite me much during the election of 2000, and anyways, I want a man that was gonna lead us as described here before he had any political ambitions.

Written 3 days after 9/11:

A Long, Tough Job
By Wesley K. Clark
Friday, September 14, 2001; Page A37
The Washington Post
snip
For the United States, the weapons of this war should be information, law enforcement and, on rare occasions, active military forces. The coalition that will form around the United States and its NATO allies should agree on its intent but not trumpet its plans. No vast military deployments should be anticipated. But urgent measures should be taken behind the scenes, because the populations and economic structures of Western nations will be at risk.

And the American public will have to grasp and appreciate a new approach to warfare. Our objective should be neither revenge nor retaliation, though we will achieve both. Rather, we must systematically target and destroy the complex, interlocking network of international terrorism. The aim should be to attack not buildings and facilities but the people who have masterminded, coordinated, supported and executed these and other terrorist attacks.
snip
Our methods should rely first on domestic and international law, and the support and active participation of our friends and allies around the globe. Evidence must be collected, networks uncovered and a faceless threat given shape and identity.

In some cases, astute police work will win the day, here and abroad. In other cases, international intelligence collaboration may be necessary. Special military forces may be called on to operate in states that are uncooperative or simply unable to control their own territory. In exceptional cases, targets will be developed that may be handled by conventional military strikes.
But in the main, this will be arduous, detailed and often covert work to track, detain or otherwise engage and "take down" our adversaries, rolling them up cell by cell and headquarters by headquarters.

Some will call for full disclosure and near-legal standards of evidence before acting. Others will arm a hair trigger, seeking to use the most readily available information, even if scant. But we must not pose legality and expediency as opposite extremes. To be expedient, we must act within the bounds of international law and consistent with consensus among the allied coalition that is emerging. And maintaining this consensus will be one of the prime challenges we face.
snip
We must strengthen our protective measures at airports, at utilities and other public service facilities such as communications networks, and prepare necessary public health and disease control capabilities for the possibility of nuclear and biological events. And if we are successful in preventing further attacks, another challenge will be to maintain our resolve.http://wesleyclark.h1.ru/usa_attack1.htm

[pkspiegel]

44. YES WES!

Who else could get us out of so many messes? We need someone with impeccable integrity and proven negotiating and leadership skills.

[win_in_06]

18. You left out Biden

[Rowdyboy]

20. Well, you can only have 10, and I wanted to include as many different

wings of the party as possible. Most of the Biden folk (not likely a large group anyway) will probably vote for Warner/Edwards/Clark.

[elsiesummers]

26. Biden - he has provoked DUers on bankruptcy bill BUT

I think you underestimate how well he'll do in an actual primary (not a DU primary where I don't think he'll play well, especially early in the primary).

Also, because of the way the last election had major Clark hooplah here, but not so much in the actual primary, I think his support level will be overweighted at DU.

Hillary is likely to be underweighted at DU as well, IMO (because of strong pro Iraq war positioning).

Finegold may have really hurt himself here with the Roberts vote, and I wonder how important places like DU and Kos are to jumpstarting his campaign?

Dean shouldn't have been on the list since he's not running.

</speculation>

[Rowdyboy]

30. Oh, absolutely.....I'm trying to get a take on how DUers feel......

I know DU is not representative of the Democratic party as a whole. I'm sure Biden and Clinton would do better in a Democratic primary in the real world. I was just interested in getting a take on how DU would vote if given a choice between the major candidates.

[hyphenate]

51. I would never vote for Biden

Too little, too late--too spineless. And you wonder if he would plagiarize anything like he did before.

[Awsi Dooger]

21. I wish I could bet on the outcome of these 2008 polls

A hell of a lot easier than speculating on football games.

On this one I said, "Let's see, it will be Clark with about 50%, rest of field 50% combined."

I was slightly off. Clark has 44% at this writing.

[election_2004]

24. Dean and McKinney shouldn't be on this poll

Dean has said he isn't running. McKinney was just reelected back into her congressional district.

You should replace those two names with Evan Bayh and Blanche Lincoln.

http://www.americansforbayh.com
http://www.lincoln2008.com

Bayh or Lincoln would actually have a shot at sweeping a General Election.

[Rowdyboy]

31. As I said, this is a "dream poll", not a poll of likely candidates....

Anyone can be in any poll you want to set up. Certainly there are people who have Bayh and Lincoln as their "dream candidate" but they are few in number. I wanted to include all major wings of the party.

[elsiesummers]

25. Where are Biden and Bayh? They're gonna run, so should be on list.

I picked Gore, but far from convinced. Maybe Hillary, Maybe Biden.


None of them are really floaten' my boat right now.

[Rowdyboy]

32. This is not meant to be a poll of all possible candidates....

Just the better known. Nothing is stopping anyone from starting thei own poll with whatever candidates they choose.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

28. Quit distracting people from 2006. Republicans Out! First things first!

Please stop it! As Bill Clinton has said, focus on one election at a time. Get the Republicans out first. Swamp them with votes!

Don't you think it will be easier to get the 2008 votes counted properly if you boot the Republicans out in 2006?

[Rowdyboy]

33. If taking 30 seconds out of a day to vote in an on-line poll "distracts"

people from the 2006 election, then they're really not too committed to it anyway. Most people on this board are not currently actively working in that campaign so I really doubt this will hurt the effort too much. Generally, if I disapprove of the topic of a thread, I just avoid that thread rather than chastising the person who started it. Its a moment of fun during very dark days to imagine a day when we might have a real president again. If thats too "distracting" for people, then they need to work on increasing their attention span.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

36. It's not the "30 seconds". Its the flood of 2008 posts lately are divisive

The 2008 posts are divisive.

Unite to boot out Republicans in 2006!

[bklyncowgirl]

29. Gore--the REAL president.

Now that the hurricanes have got our attention Global Warming will be on the table and the man who knows environmental issues hands down is Al Gore.

He's against the Iraq war. He knows the federal government inside and out and is one of the few people I believe could actually turn this mess Bush has created around.

For his running mate I'd like to see either Wes Clark a guy who might be able to straighten out this disaster in Iraq or maybe Howard Dean if he'd be willing to leave DNC--Dean has a way of loosening up overly stiff politicians. Kerry actually looked like a human when he was hanging around with him.

[Totally Committed]

34. Wes Clark is my first choice...

He will be an extraordinary American President... one for the history books... if we can just nominate him. I know it in my heart.

TC

[Crunchy Frog]

35. They guy in my avatar (not in my sig line). n/t

[nickinSTL]

37. It's a DU Presidential poll...

Clark will win...as always.

[nickshepDEM]

40. Looks like Gore is actually making a dent in this one.

Not that any of these straw polls actually matter. Come Iowa 2008 only 3 people on that list will even be in the running.

[win_in_06]

59. I disagree

I think you will need a wide-screen television to see all of the candidates on stage for the Iowa Debates.

For both parties. I'm talking double-digits.

[nickshepDEM]

71. Your probably right, but only a few will be top tier candidates.

Id list the ones who I believe will be in the running, but Id rather not start a flame war.

[Rowdyboy]

45. I wouldn't mind seeing a poll of all the above minus Wes Clark.....

Just to see how the votes spread out and which candidates benefit most. Obviously, the Clark supporters have hung around and are still committed to their man (I'm one of them) but I'd like to see where they'd go if he's not in the race.

[BootinUp]

80. "but I'd like to see where they'd go..."

To the ends of the earth to re-enlist him. ;)

[nickshepDEM]

39. Warner, but Im starting to have second thoughts about picking...

A candidate so early. I really like Feingold. Damn shame he's divorced (twice).

[Laura PourMeADrink]

41. I like the way you emphasize "Nato Commander" We should

drop that title ALL the time. I love Clark

[MN ChimpH8R]

42. Clark or Gore

Probably Clark.

[bunny planet]

46. I want Gore to run with Clark as his Veep.

[ggrf928]

49. Gore/Clark Ticket

#1) Wes has been the Supreme Allied Commander of NATO. He has negotiated treaties. He has dealt with Foreign Heads-of-State. He has re-organized the Curriculum of the schools for the families whose members were serving in NATO. He has held press-conferences. He has led military strikes. Wes already has taken on many of the leadership roles of a head-of-state. In addition to being the equivalent of a Commander-in-Chief of a small country, he also has taken on the likewise governing responsibilities.

#2) Wes could've been very easily nominated for VP as part of the Kerry ticket. According to Wes Clark Jr, Wes did not desire such a position.

#3) Gore had all of the backing of the party, and the Clinton/Gore legacy, and while he won the popular vote, he didn't lead with authority, to win other states in the Electoral College, so that Florida wouldn't have mattered.

While I respect Al Gore tremendously, and yes, he did win the popular vote; the window for his candidacy has closed.

Wes could truly run as an outsider, and truly shake things up, and Mr. Smith could really go to Washington!!

[FrenchieCat]

67. Welcome ggrf928!

To DU! :hi:

[Czolgosz]

48. If you'd asked last week, I might have said Feinberg. Not any more.

[paineinthearse]

50. A couple notables you missed: Boxer & Conyers

Maybe the next "ultimate Democratic smackdown" poll will not leave them out.

p.s. The 2008 election will be a sham if we do not win back the house and senate.

[mithnanthy]

53. Gore/Clark

and my second choice is Kucinich/McKinney

[Eurobabe]

54. no question here. U-WES-A!

[FreedomAngel82]

55. My first vote would be Al Gore

Then Kerry. I wouldn't ever vote for Clinton in the primaries.

[Field Of Dreams]

60. Clark

Now more than ever.

[second edition]

61. GOTTA BE JOHN KERRY!

Bottom line is he is the most well rounded, informed and Presidential on the list. A true leader does what he feels is right and best for his country and the people, not following the most popular point of view or what will make him the favorite. You can always rely on him.

[BlueIris]

76. Nice. Welcome to DU, by the by.

:-)

[junkiebrewster]

62. Wes Clark

The more I learn about this man, the more I like him.

[TNMOM]

63. Al Gore -- because he's already proven he can

win.

[PresidentObama]

64. John Kerry

He still has my back, and I still have his back :)

[Darranar]

65. McKinney/Kucinich. No hesitation. n/t

[kid a]

66. proudly give Wes his 100th vote! nt

[imperial jedi]

68. Wes Clark

My first choice for president.

[TheDonkey]

69. Kerry or Biden

will be the ones I'll pay close attention to during the primaries but I'll have an open mind to any Democrat.

[Raiden]

70. Wes Clark!!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[mcscajun]

72. "I stand with the General...Well, lately, I've had the oddest feeling

...that he's been writing to me."

Bonus points to anyone who knows where that's from. :)

[Texas_Kat]

74. 1776

eom

[mcscajun]

77. Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.

:applause:

[democrank]

73. Clark.

Brains, integrity, courage.

[Texas_Kat]

75. Clark!

From the Draft days.....

Leadership, character, courage

[Dinger]

78. Clark Of Course . . . And A Suggestion . . . .

Since polls are limited to 10 choices, how about if the admins set something up with an unlimited (almost) number of choices? Or at least more - say 50-60??

[tinfoilinfor2005]

79. I wouldn't have even considered WC in 2004, but now...

I think he will be the only candidate who will be able to beat McCain (and make no mistake, McCain will be the GOP candidate). McCain will bring his military experience, but Wes Clark will trump it.

[Renew Deal]

81. I hate to say it, but Clark looks better every day.

I am still very undecided because it's so far away, but Clark is so good. He is out there kicking the pukes ass. He is honest. He works hard and he's good on the issues.