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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 02:41 AM
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"The People are winning the Blame Game b/c the press's covering the story"
said John McLaughlin tonight.

He agreed with Eleanor Clift that "The People" are angry about Bush's Katrina disaster-- and it won't just go away.

JMcL's point about the press covering the story is important because that's the whole point right there: The Press. Is Covering. The story. And because of that. The People. are winning. the Blame Game.

Pat Buchanan was a rabid dog, trying to get up on his little tiny hind legs, screeching and shivering like a ferocious chiahuahua wearing a toupee. Really desperate.

:evilgrin:

PB was yipping about "The Great Society has FAILED!" and enabling the Rong Wing brainwashing that Big Gubmint, Too Much Gubmint, DOES NOT WORK!

So here's a question:

Does Corporate Welfare always lead to Genocide?

Is Big Gubmint good when it's used to enrich the obscenely rich and bad when it's used for the common good?

Will the press continue to cover the story?

Will the number of bodies recovered in New Orleans be suppressed by Big Gubmint not allowing the press to cover the story?

:evilfrown:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 02:47 AM
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1. yeah, that's the thing about seeing Americans suffering and dying on TV
it tends to make people want accountability
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 02:49 AM
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2. .
:sarcasm:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 02:51 AM
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3. sorry omega, I was responding to "it just won't go away" comment
I would be disgusted if it did "go away"
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 02:57 AM
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5. I gotcha, I agree (and I saw the drips runnin down the page, too)
I hope that the strength of your comment holds... I was hopeful for a few days that the shock and outrage would be more dramatic and direct-- but people are doing a lot of rationalizing....

:hi:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:01 AM
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7. I see a lot of racsim in that "rationalizing"
the WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST LEAVE crowd kills me the most - they simply cannot fathom never-ending poverty.....
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:03 AM
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10. It's the "Let them eat cake" of this century. n/t
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:10 AM
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16. Well I been ranting that this is a TEST of our reaction
to ANY sub-group being treated this way-- which I think we have pretty much failed.

The aid and support is amazing and heartfelt.

I don't feel that we as a nation have honestly WITNESSED what we have just been subjected to, what these human beings were subjected to......
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:04 AM
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12. Yep-- that's what I meant about "dramatic and direct"
It seems to come down to empathy. Even if they don't get it on the political level/s, people might realize THESE ARE PEOPLE and there IS NO WAY IN HELL that the way they were treated can EVER be rationalized.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:08 AM
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14. that could be the point to make
the media did such an initial job of focusing on "those people" - the looters and the people shooting at rescuers - that some bush supporters still focus on these reports and not the graphic stuff later when reporters were breaking down on camera while witnessing the suffering
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:16 AM
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18. That's what Pukechanon was hammering
shouting about looting and shooting and raping and blah blah blah--- bullshit. Painting an insane word picture.

I suppose all the "talking points" and propaganda helps people get off topic. I heard them yesterday coming out of the radio and people I work with-- and I heard Ranti Rhodes debunking them.

Even so-- the FACT of those initial images of people on overpasses and abandoned on sidewalks and stuffed into hollow sports palaces-- NO FUCKING WAY that would have been done to anyone else. American's racist blinders are so seamless that the outcry is an incry-- it's not OVERT.

My outrage has not diminished. But I'm distracted by trying to understand why there isn't MORE outrage and why it isn't focused on demanding accountability.

NOW.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:28 AM
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22. that is the point I am at too, Omega
Edited on Sat Sep-10-05 03:28 AM by Skittles
I'm having to share my outrage at how our governement abandoned the people of New Orleans with my outrage at coworkers saying stuff like "CAN YOU BELIEVE THOSE MORONS WON'T LEAVE THE CITY". And these coworkers, Omega - you can bet your ASS they're all in church on Sunday. :puke:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:35 AM
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24. The one yesterday was "blamegaming" the "local" FEMA
Big Gubmint pointing the finger at local government-- when FEMA, the Feds and Bush were in charge the whole time.

I'm starting to think maybe people are stupid :evilgrin:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 06:12 AM
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25. my boyfriend Tombo instists people really are stupid
I keep hearing theories about how "busy" people are making ends meet to read about stuff for themselves but when it is displayed in all its sickening glory on national TV and STILL they make excuses; well, I'm thinking maybe Tombo is right, maybe they ARE stupid.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 01:37 PM
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27. "People don't care until it affects them"
How many times have we heard that?

This week gave me a little better understanding of whatever the hell that means.

People are animals. Care about what's right in front of them. "Out there" is too abstract. Unless they feel something, it's not real. They are distracted with their egos and opinions.

Those with empathy don't have to have it in the room with them to get the concept.
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 02:53 AM
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4. The war in Iraq would be over by now if they actually showed the photos.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:01 AM
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8. Reminds me that Poppy Bush had the first "censored" war in Iraq
You're right-- that denial is deep.


Yet with the NO horrors we've seen on the TeeVee, it seems people still don't GET IT.

I'm starting to think people are more shell-shocked than brainwashed. Their brains can't keep up with all the deception-- not at the level it's at.

It's "hard work" running that catapult.
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aion Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:00 AM
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6. If you think like a machine, you will have value-less emotions (nt)
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:02 AM
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9. I love the Pat Buchanan description...
But its like 3 am here and my brain is too tired to figure out if corporate welfare always leads to genocide.

I am off to take too many Nytols and pass out.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:07 AM
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13. Yip yip yip yip Yip yip Grrrrrgghhhhhrrrrrr
Sweet Dreams. :toast:

I had a nice "Lost" hero dream last night........... :boring:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:04 AM
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11. Buchanan is a racist piece of shit
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:09 AM
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15. I lost a lot of respect for Pat
he's always seemed more honest in that he doesn't always goose-step to the republican party line - he's playing the real whore now
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aion Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:12 AM
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17. You're just jealous of his jeans.
Edited on Sat Sep-10-05 03:15 AM by aion
You know what he'd say to you in private. You're just jealous of his jeans.

You are correct, they are racist pigs intent upon thinning down the herd -- killing some so that others may live. That's their great Commission!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commission

And those who are ambidextrous are considered 'lost sheep'. They hate artists, because they hate harmonics.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:27 AM
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21. From the Wickedpedia?
"And those who are ambidextrous are considered 'lost sheep'. They hate artists, because they hate harmonics."

They hate harmonicas? You mean like Democrats hate accordians?
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aion Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:32 AM
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23. That's the dilemma for sure.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:18 AM
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19. Until tonight
I didn't realize that he is insane

:yoiks: :crazy:
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aion Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:26 AM
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20. Insane in that Bizarro Superpig way

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 06:26 AM
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26. Jesus, did he actually SAY "blame game"?
That means I have to do another jello shot.

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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 01:48 PM
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28. Striking image impeachdubya. Good work.
McLaughlin used "blame game" in his usual hammy/bombastic set-up. Here is a link for transcripts-- last night's is not up yet: http://www.mclaughlin.com/library/library.asp

Eleanor Clift, as usual, REALLY held her own. While Buchanon was apoplectically delivering a bullshit load of the talking points, she managed to skewer him deftly with a few words.

One good quote from discussion about not allowing press to film the removal of bodies:

"Censorship is a story."
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 04:16 PM
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29. Thanks. The interesting thing about the "blame game" meme
from where I sat, was, that they flogged it so hard starting maybe wednesday or thursday, that they actually kind of made people pay attention to the man behind the curtain, so to speak- over a 48 hour period you literally couldn't turn on the tube without either some Admin. apologist anchor, or some Bush toady (or Poppy and Bar, when she wasn't talking about how the superdome "worked out well for those people") going on about the "blame game". They pushed it so hard that the WH press corps actually called scott mcclellan on it as a "talking point" the second day he tried to hide behind it.

As far as the FEMA censorship deal, I really think these guys in the administration are so used to Iraq, where they can cover up things like dead bodies of Americans or brutality or the "worse, far worse" images from Abu Ghraib indefinitely, that they just assumed that they could implement the same kind of 'reality management' in Louisiana.

Trouble is, they can't keep a lid on, for instance, these kinds of stores-

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/006754.ht...

- forever.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:09 PM
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30. "This IS the perspective"
From where those who already get it sit, the "blamegaming" bullshit looks pathetic and desperate. I will myself to hope that you are right about the potential for folks to notice TMBTC-- though the last few days have dented my optimism about that.... anyway, the potential is there.

RE: your comments about FEMA and administration blind arrogance. "Reality management" appears to me a test of how the American people react-- to the eventsand perpetrators that violated these citizens and the public trust AND to the censorship, manipulation and fabrication of "the reality based community."

:kick:
That link holds an important story. Maybe DU needs a thread to post first-person accounts like this one?

"More corroboration: this segment, from (of all places) Sean Hannity & Alan Colmes show on Fox News, with Geraldo Rivera and Shepard Smith reporting from the NOLA convention center and the encampment on I-10. Shepard Smith reported that there were thousands of people still stuck on freeways and bridges, with no food or water, ignored there for days. Back in the studio, OReilly said that what they needed was a strong leader like Rudy Giuliani. Smith shot back that what they needed on the first day was food and water and what they needed on the second day was food and water and what they needed on the third day was food and water.

"Geraldo tried to describe the inhuman conditions at the shelter, then broke down and cried as he begged the authorities to let people still stuck in the convention center walk out of town. Shepard Smith confirmed that the authorities had set up checkpoints, and were turning back people who tried to leave. When Sean Hannity said Smith and Rivera needed to get some perspective, Smith yelled This is the perspective!
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:18 PM
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31. WOW,whoopeee...it only takes unbelievable DEATH and DESTRUCTION..
for the WHORE TV MSM to report the truth. Think if they'd really dug in and held Bush and his administration feet to the fire before he invaded Iraq. Then when he went ahead with his put-up War they could have killed him with the truth.

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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:34 PM
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32. Your justified angst duly noted. What is striking about the comment
is that

First-- it IS remarkable that the press is doing its job.

Second-- it REMINDS US of the power of the press and the importance of the press and the concept of the FREE press and what's that thing called........

oh yeah :think:! The First Amendment!

When all three branches of government are controlled by one corrupt party, the press is needed more than ever to not toady to the bogus regime.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 05:40 PM
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33. They're only doing their job this time because its so DAMN obvious...
They can't dispute what was on TV everywhere and their OWN people like Cooper,Shepard Smith and yes even Whorealdo SCREAMING the truth. They had absolutely ZERO choice on this but to run with the truth.

I wish I could say they've turned the corner but I know they haven't....
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