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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:26 PM
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Randi Rhodes...
Not sure why I am writing this. All I know is that I was driving in my car listening to Randi Rhodes.

It was during a segment between 3:30 and 4:00. Randi was on a roll.

She was speaking of the presidents actions during 9/11...

- The president's knowledge of the first plane hitting several minutes prior to going into the classroom.

- The fact that he had read a memo that stated that such an attack could happen.
- The whole mystery of why planes weren't scrambled with four large jet liners making huge "U" turns...the transponders turned off.
- The fact that the president didn't leave immediately because he didn't want to scare the children...yet he stated in front of the children what exactly had happened.
- That (in a sense) he used the children as a shield because he knew he was a target.
-etc. etc.etc.

I don't know what came over me. I knew these things. But for whatever reason, hearing it all over again struck me deeply. It was a cathartic sensation of how horrific this administration is...and how all of this is such a nightmare.

Anger swept over me...I pulled my car over to the side of the road and for just a moment, I wept. I'm not even sure why. Am I being too sensitive...too passionate...? I'm just very sad.

-Paige
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:28 PM
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1. You care about your life and your nation.
Any sane person would weep. :hug:
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tmooses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:28 PM
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2. I understand your reaction and sympathize. I know it well-it's the
reaction to losing a loved one-in this case our country.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:32 PM
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5. It is just that
like watching a loved one slowly and painfully die. We have to fight it, we can't lose.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:14 AM
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22. Yes, I've used that analogy often.
It's very painful, and makes it hard to stay friendly with those who enable it.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:30 PM
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3. Maybe because we have never experienced
anything quite like this. They make Nixon look nearly like a saint compared to what they are doing. It really is all pretty much out in the open too all you need to do is put it all together. Hopefully that's what people are doing right now. I just can't look at him without seeing pure evil.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:33 PM
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7. I am no history buff but I hear the 1880's were far worse than this.
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:30 PM
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4. That's what you call patriotic
You see something you love being brutally abused. It's hard to comprehend how evil these people really are. I still think when the whole truth is known, those of us who have been heavily researching are still going to be shocked.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:34 PM
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8. I was thinking that the other day
with all we research and dig out imagine what we don't know, what things we can't even fathom.
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:55 PM
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12. I keep hoping they'll all be locked up by then
No pardons please.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:32 PM
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6. Its hard to get your mind around just how hoorible that
creep is. I haven't shed a tear yet. But today i sure was ticked off about this. It makes no sense to me that we stand and watch this cry baby CINC destroy our country. He is a gutless spineless brat.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:34 PM
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9. Randi Rhodes is a treasure
She may rant a little at times, but she has a good heart and cares about this country and what has been happening to it. She's also very knowledgeable about everything that has been going on and tells it plainly and true. :)
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 04:35 PM
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32. I wish we could GET THAT MEMO !!!
She was speaking of the presidents actions during 9/11...

- The president's knowledge of the first plane hitting several minutes prior to going into the classroom.

- The fact that he had read a memo that stated that such an attack could happen.
- The whole mystery of why planes weren't scrambled with four large jet liners making huge "U" turns...the transponders turned off.

=========================================================
I just wish the American people could read that memo that Randy spoke of.

Bush and all the other people who committed treason would be treated as the criminals they are.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:41 PM
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10. I'm Sorry...
...I'm just so damned pissed off. My emotions run like an out-of-control roller-coaster.

I love my country...I can't believe what has happened to it. I can't believe that this man actually became the president. How could this happen?

How can "intelligent design" be considered "science?"
How can so many people be duped?
How can a president make fun of the fact that he can't find WMD and not be thrown out of office?

"Have you no shame, sir?"

If there is a God, I pray that this man gets the full penalty for his actions. I hope that we never forget what happened to our country and forever remember it as one of the darkest periods of our history.

I hope that these people get what they so richly deserve.

Two years ago I would have simply said...Go home, Mr. Bush, we'll clean up the mess. But now...after all we have learned, I want him to pay the heaviest price possible!

I hate myself for feeling so hateful.

-Paige
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:57 PM
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13. I know. I've never felt this sense of anger and rage...
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 11:58 PM by fooj
It is frightening! When I read this- it helps.

When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time they may seem invincible but in the end they always fall. Think of it ~ always.- M. Gandhi

Peace.:hug:
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:48 PM
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11. i have had moments like that as well
when you really realise what has happened and who is a part of it. it is quite disturbing.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 12:00 AM
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14. Recommend!
What you have shared tonight is very real to many of us!

Peace.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 12:21 AM
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15. Thank You...
I'm going to bed. It serves as a temporary reprieve from the reality I so want to forget.

-Paige
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VPStoltz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 12:59 AM
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16. And then without one bit of shame
he rewarded every single one of his ass-coverers with either medals or very high ranking government jobs. And they happily accepted. The entire bunch of them should burn in hell because no god could ever forgive what they did and keep doing.
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 01:17 AM
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17. We get Randi from 3-7pm
My husband and I were on our way to dinner at that time. We all have heard this so many times before but we were absolutely riveted to every word. I can't explain why it was so much more emotional this time. Maybe it is the way she explained it, maybe it is because we are even angrier now. What ever the reason, my husband and I just looked at each other...we were stunned.

It was as though we were hearing it for the first time. Does that make sense? I can't explain it.

"That bastard", my husband says. "Yeah", I said, "Let's go home".
We called the group of friends we were to meet, made our apologies, got take-out and came home.
We spent the next hour or so making our plans for the protest in Los Angeles.

September 24th can't come soon enough for us.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 01:54 AM
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19. I Must Say...
...you had the same reaction to Randi's explanation that I did. For whatever reason, it hit a chord.

One of the things I thought to myself was that I wanted to get a transcript of her explanation...it was so simply put and yet so profound, it was like hearing it for the first time.

Like your husband...I also got immediately angry. I slapped my steering wheel and said..."this is totally fucked up!"

The fact that you and your husband had the same reaction I did tells me that there was something in what she was saying. I don't know what it was...some intangible element.

I must get the transcript.

Thanks for your post.

-Paige
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 01:13 AM
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36. I want a transcript too.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 01:09 AM
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35. Riveting is right.
I was in my car too. I couldn't leave. I had to hear her every word before she went to break. There I sat, parked under a store's overhanging roof that was light-wired in a way that made my radio buzz so much that I could barely hear Randi’s voice.
But I just couldn't shut it off.

To hear all that in summary was so gripping. NORAD's inaction for nearly 1.5 hour, Bush's using children as both a backdrop and a shield. He claimed to want to protect them, but instead announced in front of them that the US had been attacked by "terrorists," which frightened them inexcusably.

Randi spoke with someone who was knowledgeable about F-16s’ flight speed, etc.
I believe he said that the jets could have intercepted the wayward airplanes within 9 minutes.
But instead the planes were allowed, with transponders off, to make huge banking U-turns, remain in the air for an incomprehensible amount of time, and make their way towards their intended targets.

Obviously stand-down orders had been given. And the cabal got their “new Pearl Harbor.”
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 01:21 AM
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37. Thanks for your post.
"Stand-down orders had been given".

There can be no other reason for the lack of response. It is sickening how the MSM has lain down with this administration. He wouldn't have been around to run for a second term!
Bastards. Let's don't ever give up trying to get him out of office.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 01:21 AM
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18. Mine come sometimes when I look at Kerry
think about before the election when I thought we might win and save the country.

Depending on my mood, I can spend an hour crying on and off after that. It also depends on what's going on at the moment and how deeply revulsed I am about it. Like say, if there's been more revelations re: Abe Ghirab or I'm worried about gas prices or us going into Iran.

I get those about every couple of months since the election.

If you're being to emotional, then so am I.

Fuck, I want my hope back.
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 04:02 AM
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20. A young friend of mine came over today and cried...
she has two small children. The pieces just keep falling together, maybe there is no denial to be had anymore. I felt if Kerry would win everything would be okay and hoped against hope the worse wouldn't happen. This administration is so blatant lately and doesn't seem to care, people are sure to notice. My friend and I both cried, we do miss our country. It's very sad!:cry:
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 04:34 PM
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31. oh.... hugs for you and your friend
for everyone whose spirits are being crushed

it should not be this way
but perhaps it will be the catalyst for true change (and that means getting a true representative government not the 95% corruption we have now)

we are all in this together so please dont lose hope
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Domitan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:43 AM
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21. Your quote
- The fact that the president didn't leave immediately because he didn't want to scare the children...yet he stated in front of the children what exactly had happened.

Now it's far from certain if that's Bush's motive. However, if enough people believe this, just think of this as a long-drawn out and subtler version of the downfall of Martin Sheen's psycho presidential candidate character in the movie Dead Zone.

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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:20 AM
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23. Clenched Teeth
Listening to Randi, and other Air America hosts, I often find myself clenching my teeth as I think about the state of our country, and what these crooks and liars are doing.

The first time Randi Rhodes talked about how the scrambling of NORAD (or lack thereof) got to me in a similar way. It struck a chord. They had to have known, and ordered NORAD to stand down.

Randi then went into how all the FAA operators on 9/11 were interviewed, on tape, and how the tapes were later destroyed! The reason given was: Their testimony 'matched' what was on the tapes, so we didn't need them (then they cut the tapes up into tiny bits, and spread them throughout garbage cans throughout the FAA Building)???

That was my moment of: THEY KNEW. They are covering up something. I hope to hell that the truth comes out.

The first step is to win back Congress in 06. We have to have such a large majority that they can't get away with fixing the elections, and that is where my hope lies.

God Bless Randi Rhodes, without her I would be ignorant. She helps to put all the facts out there together in a way that helps me in my political discussions.

We need to separate the wheat from the chaff, and bring sensible Republicans over to our side. Their party has been kidnapped by the NeoCONS. And while we are at it, we need to smack some sense into the so-called 'centrist' Democrats.

In the mean time, I need to stop clenching my teeth, it gives me a headache!
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:21 AM
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24. The non-response of NORAD and lack of defense of the Pentagon.
The non-response of NORAD and lack of defense of the Pentagon.
Testimony of Sentor Dayton and an interview with Dr. Bowman (Lt. Col. Ret. USAF) by Micheal Kane. He discusses the war games planned that very morning at the exact time the event occured.
Powerful 15 min....must see imho

http://innworldreport.net/video/2004-08-04/dayton.html
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:09 AM
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25. I too have had that moment about 9-11
When I read the New Pearl Harbor by David Griffin, it summarizes info
on 9-11 and explains how it was a coordinated effort, you know during
this entire 5 years, has 1 "coordinated effort" by this adminsitration
not resulted in misery.
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devinsgram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:29 AM
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26. I sympathize with you,
as I have sat here at my computer and after listening to Randi and Mike on AAR and reading posts here, I have done the same very often.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:37 AM
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27. You have every right.
As surely as we were lied to about Iraq, the Cheney-Bush junta is not telling us the complete truth about what happened that day.

The Jersey Girls, (9/11 widows), feel that pain more than most.

Statement of Laurie Van Auken
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x51380

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PittLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 09:52 AM
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28. I had a moment last night ...
while standing at the door of a friend's home (on my way out), and I became so angry at the thought of people who bitch about their tax dollars going to welfare and such social programs. To think that our money is now being dumped into companies like Halliburton-KBR and the like (who can't even be bothered to account for it!), into "rebuilding" a country that we never should have destroyed, into destroying a country and many of its people that posed no imminent threat for reasons that did not exist, and to send our troops to fight(and die) and that pathetic excuse of a human being can't be bothered to take a moment from his vacation to tell us why?! Are you fucking kidding me? Our tax dollars are fueling the president*'s transport for him to fly around "selling" this war? I want to wring the necks of people who used taxes as an excuse to vote for this piece of crap (and that includes no small number of family members). It makes my blood absolutely boil.

:rant:
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 04:26 PM
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29. I have those moments too.
Sometimes it's about the lies.

Sometimes it's about when I think about last year, and how I had so much energy and hope. And I see a pic of John Kerry from the campaign trail.

Sometimes it's when I hear someone from the other side believe so strongly in this administration.

Sometimes it's a picture of a wounded child in Iraq.

Sometimes it's at work (I work with the public) and I talk to a young man that is in the military.

I just really miss America.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 04:32 PM
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30. Payton Stewart's plane goes awry, fighter jets right there with it
on Sept 11 - nothing - and no one has EVER explained why
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:53 PM
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33. A friend, a Vietnam Vet, came to visit a couple of weeks ago
from Colorado, (I'm in WI). He's very involved with the VFW in his community, because he's trying to save the new Vets the pain and trauma he had when he got back. He says this administration is just out and out hateful about the Vets...we talked a bit, and I asked if he remembered what we used to talk about back then(about what he was in all this pain about, the why he had to kill the Vietnese)...and I said that This White House is the one that we were afraid of...the some day people would lose their rights and dreams...He cried....
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:57 PM
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34. Bush hung around the school for a prayer and a photo-op.....
As two buildings came crashing down and 3,000 died. Hell of a leader....
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