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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 12:16 PM
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"Debugging The E-vote"

"Debugging The E-vote
Matthew Zimmerman
August 17, 2005


Matthew Zimmerman is a staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation,"
(My comment - a group that has been very successful with litigation and other action to protect digital rights ).


"More than 1,700 days ago, the most significant breakdown of election equipment and procedures in U.S. history occurred. Nearly a year ago, numerous documented incidents of malfunctioning voting machines again cast doubt on close races across the country. Now, Congress is once again set to return from its summer recess solidly unsure of what it will do on the election reform front. The Help America Vote Act, passed on the wings of post-2000 voter indignation, has resulted in what many critics expected of the wide-reaching legislation: some solid gains, plenty of good intentions, and too many questions left dangerously unanswered. One of those outstanding questions is what, if anything, to do about paperless electronic voting machines...


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A variety of less-refined competing bills have emerged in recent months from both sides of the aisle, each (so far) with less support. Rep. Jim Gibbon, R-Nev., has proposed his own bill that requires a voter-verified paper record but does not require mandatory manual audits or provide supplemental funding. Rep. Steve King’s, R-Iowa, version closely mirrors Rep. Gibbons’ bill, with the additional shortcoming that in the event of a conflict between the electronic and paper records, the paper record is not explicitly given priority. Other Democratic efforts have emerged as portions of ambitious omnibus election reform bills and thus far have not demanded rigorous paper record or mandatory audit language. In short, nothing on the horizon tackles the e-voting reform question better than Holt’s well-crafted bill.

But can it pass? As of this writing, HR 550 enjoys co-sponsorship from 144 members of the House—primarily Democratic, but increasingly bipartisan as Republicans begin to realize that this is not a Trojan horse from the left. At the end of the day, reformers' ability to tone down the rhetoric and conspiracy theories and instead focus on attractive common values like transparency and verifiability will largely determine whether Republicans will climb on board in large numbers as they should. With jurisdictions around the country buying into short-sighted sales pitches from e-voting vendors—and with mid-term elections barely a year away—the clock is ticking.
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Article:
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050817/debugging_the_evote.php


I agree with the above sentiment as an effective strategy, regardless of my own belief in the reality of election fraud and theft having occurred. We need Rush Holt’s "Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act" HR 550.




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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 12:29 PM
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1. We need Holt's bill period. Totally agree.
This business about holding down the outrage and conspiracy theories is total crap, however. If I'm benefiting from election fraud, I'll never vote for REAL reform. If I'm not, I can dismiss 'conspiracy' groups as an exception and work on safeguards sincerely. It's a binary situation. The old "don't offend them and they won't shoot us" excuse is very tired. I don't care how bright these guys are, that's bogus and a set up for blaming Democrats for getting screwed because were aware of, pointing to, and outraged that we're getting screwed.

Good post. I doubt we'll see anything more effective for elections from Congress than we've seen for campaign finance reform.

It's a local responsibility now. See parallel elections in San Diego (they did their own and found out the election was highly questionable; should be be quiet) and Arcata's resolution on voting rights. The first are building. It will be bottom up, this movement.

Parallel elections: San Diego
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=389521&mesg_id=389521

A community fights back: Arcata CA activity
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x381467
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 02:10 PM
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2. It's a Catch-22
Good post. I doubt we'll see anything more effective for elections from Congress than we've seen for campaign finance reform.

It is circular. We need reform to win elections, but we need to win some elections to get reform.

As more fraud and corruption gets exposed, more moderate Republicans will want to distance themselves from the current administration and all their shenanigans.

I can see the point that it may be hard for them to sign on as sponsors of the Holt bill if vote reform advocates are talking about stolen elections.

I really think this group (EFF) wants the reform.

The parallel election is interesting.

But in red states it is still going to be like pulling teeth to get anything done at the local level, unfortunately.

More power to anyone who is making progress at any level, local or federal.

At least the need for election reform is becoming more accepted as a reality. Heaven forbid we listen to the "experts," ie Computer Science, network security experts.

That would be like bringing science into politics.

Hey, if they don't believe in science let them give back all the things they enjoy only BECAUSE of science. Like computers, airoplanes, radio, tv, etc.

Do they know that the scientific method is the same whether it is for computer science, aerodynamics, or evolution?

I'll answer myself. No, or those who do don't care, being more intent on fooling the masses and being divisive.


:rant:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 05:15 PM
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3. Good rant! No science, just paper & ink!
You're right, it needs to be unattractive to oppose free and fair electoins. There needs to be an example that people pay attention to. Well, there was Florida then Cleland then...I think it's a matter of people getting fed up enough and telling whomever, whichever party, to get their asses in grear.

We agree!
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 06:47 PM
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8. Good concept: "Free and fair elections"
That is all we want.

Wish we were as good at staying on message as the Neocon lockstep Repubs...but then again, we'd probably have to be like them to do that.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:30 PM
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9. All we have to do is tell the truth!!!
And all it takes is for a victim of the fraud to speak out. I'm in the middle of Lake Lanier in North Georgia, home area of Max Cleland. Before we left shore, I was talking to my brother in law who mentioned Cleland came out today saying it's time to leave Iraq. Well, maybe the next one he drops will be, "I was robbed in 2002. He had a five point lead just before election day and lost by five points. That's a 10 point spread for a decorated war hero whom everybody you talk to down here really likes. Oh, forgot to mention that a contractor for the voting machine company that handled the election mentioned that he'd been sent in to put a patch on a whole bunch of voting machines just before the election. He didn't know what that was about but he thought it was fishy, especially after he saw the results. Well, there's your outrage. Lets dredge that one up and shove it in their faces. Cleland is a great guy, campaigned in person for Paul Hackett in Ohio's 2nd District, a loyal Democrat and pal of Kerry and Gen. Clark.

One of these frauds, Cleland's 2002 loss, the Ohio 2004 thing is going to pop and then we'll have our rationale for free and fair elections and paper ballots!

:hi:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 06:41 PM
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6. Bottom up/// fix the towns and counties and
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 06:08 PM
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4. Election Fraud: It's Time to Make a Stand.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 06:25 PM
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5. in the curent enironment Holts bill may never
see the light of day-- SO get your kicks in at the local level--
grab as much election reform as you can grasp in your fist--

And kick ass and take names

-- and do not under any circumstances apologize
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 06:43 PM
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7. 2/2/05 Referred to the House Committee on House Administration
"Bill Summary & Status for the 109th Congress

H.R.550
Title: To amend the Help America Vote Act of 2002 to require a voter-verified permanent paper record or hard copy under title III of such Act, and for other purposes.

Sponsor: Rep Holt, Rush D. (introduced 2/2/2005) Cosponsors (144)

Latest Major Action: 2/2/2005 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the House Committee on House Administration.

ALL ACTIONS: (color indicates Senate actions)
2/2/2005:

Referred to the House Committee on House Administration.


7/26/2005:
Introductory remarks on measure. (CR H6434)"

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:HR00550:@@@X

Yep, it will be very lucky to see the light of day, it looks like.
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