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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:54 PM
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"The greatest strategic blunder in American history" (-Paul Craig Roberts)
We have run out of troops and money, the rest of the world has run out of patience with our stupidity, and the upper regions of the Bush administration may be crumbling under the pressure of a prosecutor's investigations and eroding public support.

Bush administration neocons such as Wolfowitz, Perle, Feith, Libby, along with their cheerleaders at Fox "News", the Weekly Standard, the Wall Street Journal editorial page, National Review, and the New York Times' Judith Miller will go down in history as the architects and enablers of the greatest strategic blunder in American history. The neocon dream of conquering the Middle East for Israel and destroying Islam as a force is now in history's trash heap of failed adventures along with such miscalculations as Hitler's march into Russia and the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor...

-- Paul Craig Roberts at AntiWar.com
via James Wolcott
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 10:56 PM
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1. Bye Bye,
judith miller..Please don't let the door Slam you in the ass.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:00 PM
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2. There have been other horrible blunders, but none so potentially fatal
I don't know how we will recover from this one. It wasn't just that the strategy was bad, it was that the ideology behind the strategy was stupid, and ultimately, self-destructive.
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enid602 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:13 PM
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6. I beg to differ . . .
Wait until * takes on Iran; these will seem like the good old days.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:26 PM
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8. Good point.
I'm terrified his idea of taking on Iran will be nuclear, though.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:08 PM
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3. This will rank as one of the worst in Modern world history.
The entire globe is involved. And the bush idiots haven't given up on weaponizing space so we can compound it by an order of magnitude we can't imagine. :cry:

Anyone who voted Aye or supported this travesty should be linked right with it! :nuke:
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:36 PM
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9. This reminds me of the Soviets trying to take Afghanistan
That folly was more instrumental in the collapse of the Soviet empire than Reagan telling Gorbachev to "tear down this wall." I hope we fare better than they did.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 12:02 AM
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13. The bush cabal has stacked the deck against US success.
US leaves Afghanistan to get Saddam. For the rest of history, the bush name and US deeds will be linked to that of Saddam Hussein. That may be the most bitter irony of all.

After bush and his street gang are out of office, we as a nation will recover! :patriot:
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 02:09 AM
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16. on a national level of its impact, more like Napoleon invading Russia
yeap, USSR and afghanistan is similar, but unlike the USSR, the US now and the France of Napoleon both were in relative good national economic health before the tragic expeditions eastward. like Napoleon with Russia, the US invasion of iraq will likely be pointed to by future historians as the event that forced America into rapid decline.

for this, may george w bush burn in hell.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 12:49 PM
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23. The American empire will collapse just as the Soviet empire did
America had a unique historical opportunity to make a significant contribution for the betterment of the world at the end of the Cold War. We pissed it away!

Bush's crusade in Iraq has accelerated the fall of the American empire. We will see it fall within our lifetimes!
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:11 PM
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4. This Nation has gone crazy.
The People have enabled these insaniacs. Even now, not enough have turned toward sanity to overcome the voting machines.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:12 PM
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5. And predicted to be so before the war started.
By quite a few people.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:17 PM
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7. Yep. At least those who have ever read a book or can critically think.
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Nordic65 Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:40 PM
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10. So sad - so right
Millions gave him the finger - he couldn't care less. The biggest mistake in the history of international relations ever...

Fuck him (from Norway)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:46 PM
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11. right on!
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 11:52 PM
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12. Judith's Address, should you feel the need to write to her...
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 12:45 AM
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14. Got my vote. Been saying the same thing for a long time.

http://www.newsparkproductions.org




Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:27 AM
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15. blunder? . . . that's much too mild . . .
the Iraq invasion/occupation is far worse than a mere blunder . . . it's an international crime and a crime against humanity . . . worse than murder, worse than rape, worse than embezzlement, it encompasses all three and then some . . .

a more accurate description might be "the greatest war crime in American history" . . .
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 04:45 AM
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17. hear, hear n/t
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 05:53 AM
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18. Paul Craig Roberts "ain't no bleeding heart librul" either... nt
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 11:18 AM
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20. His Opposition is Very Important
I had read many of PCR's annoying Reaganite editorials in Business Week during the 80s. I stared in disbelief seeing his name for the first time attached to an anti-war article.

A partisan standoff will only lead to more of the same. The tide will be turned by opposition from within the GOP.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 07:59 AM
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19. Yep, going right along with Osama's plan. He bankrupted Russia
and I'm sure that was his plan with us too. Bush is just too stupid to play with these guys, but the sad thing is we'll all lose.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 12:22 PM
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21. Another great one from Roberts....
who is the most outstanding Conservative anti-Bush voice today.
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dr.zoidberg Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 12:29 PM
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22. What about Central America?
Wouldn't you consider our combined actions in Central America as the biggest strategic blunder that the US has committed?
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:04 PM
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24. No, Central America is our playground, we have
done very little there strategically... the Middle East is not only far away and difficult to oontrol, we don't even have a mandate of citizens from there or a shared history as we do in CA.

Have we made mistakes in CA? Of course. Big ones? Of course. But they are not insurmountable.

The insanity in Iraq is a huge problem. And a BIG mistake.
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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 05:00 PM
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25. Calling it a "blunder" suggests that what was done was done in error.
On the contrary, these hoodlums have been in govt. and ripping off businesses for years and knew exactly what they were doing. Everything was planned and carried out perfectly if the goal was to soak the US dry, destroy the social/finacial infrastructure, erode civil liberties and make all their croneys filthy rich! Mission accomplished as far as I can see.
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