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AUYellowDog Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:39 AM
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I think C-SPAN is lying
They have Peter DeFazio down as a Democrat. The speech he just gave talking about NAFTA and Clinton's trade policy on the whole is disturbing.

Brandon
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:42 AM
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1. I saw it too
Ohio had a Congressman who got defeated in the Dem primary largely because he voted for NAFTA (Tom Sawyer). In all fairness, he was "redistricted".
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:43 AM
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2. There are Certainly Free-Trade Democrats
Clinton got NAFTA passed for that matter, even though a majority of Democrats opposed it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_DeFazio
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:48 AM
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4. Are there records of campaign donations from free-trade groups
to members of Congress? I'd especially like to know of donations to Democrats.

"Free-trade" has destroyed America.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:48 AM
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3. He is a Dem and says he is a Progressive
Edited on Mon Jul-25-05 12:21 PM by Robbien
He is not DLC, nor a Blue Dog, nor a New Dem.

And he strongly opposes NAFTA.

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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 12:15 PM
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8. DeFazio does NOT support NAFTA
:grr:
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ScamUSA.Com Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:54 AM
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5. thats the new trick... patsy fake democrats (not saying DeFazio is)
its getting really annoying
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 11:59 AM
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6. The Democratic voters of his district don't believe that
They have been nominating him to run as a Democrat for Congress for the last 18 years.

http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=D000191
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 12:14 PM
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7. Being a Democrat does not require worship of Clinton
I didn't hear the speech that DeFazio gave, but when I lived in Oregon, DeFazio was adamantly opposed to NAFTA.

According to this he is also opposed to CAFTA:

http://www.blueoregon.com/2005/06/defazios_fight_.html

And I'm delighted. DeFazio is the type of Democrat that we need more of. He fights for ordinary people, for civil rights, and the Constitution, and to top it off, he's friendly and approachable. Better yet, he wins again and again in areas that vote Republican for president.

Clinton was too wimpy against the Republicans and adopted too many of their policies.

I feel sorry for people who are so young that they think Cinton is as good as it gets. I'd rather have him than the Bushboy, but that ain't sayin' much.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 12:54 PM
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9. When Dems adopt conservative positions...
...they are telling the world that the Democratic agenda is not worth following. That is why Clinton troubled me with his stands on (un)free trade, guns, and the death penalty. I got that from Chapter 1 of George Lakoff's "Moral Politics".
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 01:12 PM
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10. Equally bad when they
apologize for offending Republicans. They should apologize only when they got their facts wrong. If their facts are correct, then the attitude should be, "If the shoe fits, wear it."
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