"It's Hitting the fan" Plame not only listed (S) on memo but.(SNF)..video

[ElsewheresDaughter]

listed as "top secert" and (SNF)"Secret, No Foreign,"..right next to her name - "Secret, No Foreign,"..which means foriegn intelligence even our allies

http://www.crooksandliars.com/



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The Wall Street Journal will break the news tomorrow that not only was the damning State Department memo reported today labeled "secret," it was classified as "top secret."

And, according to WSJ National Political Editor John Harwood, the memo also lists the Plame revelation as "SNF," or "Secret, No Foreign," in terms of parties to whom the information can or cannot be disclosed.

[katinmn]

1. Whoo-hoo! Kickin.

[ProgressiveFool]

28. holy moly!

Buy popcorn futures! Orville Reddenbacher stock!

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Burried News]

2. You shouldaa seen it Doug - suds everywhere - kaBOOM

[Up2Late]

3. A similar story was reported yesterday on NPR- interviewed W. Pincus

of the Washington Post, Here's the link:

Govt. Memo Marked Plame's Identity as 'Secret'

Listen to this story (at the link above)

All Things Considered, July 21, 2005 · A 2003 State Department memo clearly indicated Valerie Plame's identity was to be kept secret, according to a Washington Post story. Plame, wife of Ambassador Joseph Wilson, is the CIA officer whose identity was made public in a leak to the press. President Bush's adviser, Karl Rove, has been taken to task for his off-the-record conversations with reporters about Plame.

Some critics accuse Rove of breaking the law. They say he leaked Plame's identity in retaliation for husband Joseph Wilson's refusal to back the Bush Administration's claims about Iraq. Hear Melissa Block and Walter Pincus of The Washington Post.

[Chipper Chat]

4. Damn liberal Wall Street Journal!

Will Shammity and El-Puke-bo diss it?

[RebelOne]

10. You can depend on that.

They will find some way to discredit it.

[JPZenger]

5. Whole Memo Was Secret

On NPR yesterday, they said the entire memo was full of items marked secret - it wasn't just one paragraph that someone could have missed the notation for secret.

Therefore, anything in the memo should have been handled carefully.

The designation "secret" is higher than "classified."

[savemefromdumbya]

21. couldn't have been Top Secret (if THEY all knew!)

it would seem the British govt knew too? Do we want a government that is this leaky?

[jmowreader]

31. No, Secret is higher than Confidential

Classified information can be Confidential, Secret or Top Secret.

Confidential information can be expected to cause damage to the national security if it gets into the wrong hands.

Secret information can be expected to cause serious damage to the national security if it gets into the wrong hands.

Top Secret information can be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security if improperly released.

There's also a For Official Use Only (FOUO) marking. It's not a classification, but it covers things civilians don't need to know.

Okay, let's play devil's advocate and pretend that the memo was completely unclassified except for one itty-bitty lil' ol' paragraph that says Valerie Wilson is a spy working undercover. What I would have done, and what most people would have done, is to create an FOUO document referencing a separate classified appendix containing the offiending paragraph. This is easy, quick, legal and fulfills the government mantra to create as little classified information as you can. Plus, it broadens the distribution of the unclassified main document.

Now let's say I'm ginning up a thirteen-page memo that will contain Secret paragraphs. This document needs a front and back cover that contain no classified information. Both say Secret at top and bottom. Pages containing secret paragraphs will be marked Secret at top and bottom on both the front and back sides. Every other page in the document also needs to be marked. You can either put the highest classification in the book on every page, or mark each page with the highest classification contained on either side of that page. I don't know why you get the second option--no one does it. It's easier and just as protective to put "Secret" at the top and bottom of every page in the book even if a particular page doesn't have any Secret information on it. Now for the fun part: you have to mark each paragraph with the highest classification contained within it.

[progressoid]

6. Ooops. Top Secret huh?

Gee wiz beaver, you're gonna get it.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

7. Secret (noun): something you only tell a few people

(courtesy of the White House New Unabridged Dictionary)

[truthisfreedom]

15. reporters, you mean. 8^)

[noamnety]

17. wrong definition

Here's the government definition: information in which the unauthorized disclosure could reasonably be expected to cause serious damage to the national security.

[Igel]

8. They really should just declassify the document.

And lots of other information, while they're at it. After all, so much of it has been leaked by non-whistleblowers.

As well as revoke the rules governing grand jury testimony secrecy.

We're obviously all in favor of it.

[janetle]

9. I heard spin ......

....yesterday that the "S" meant 'sensitive' which doesn't sound as significant as SECRET. It might have been John McCain on Hardball but I can't remember who.

[rasputin1952]

11. "C"/Confidential; "S"/Secret; "TS"/Top Secret. Caveat: there are

higher desinations and sub-designations, ie, "Eyes Only", etc.

I never got above TS, and to this day, would never discuss classified material w/anyone w/o the need to know...even though it is 30+ years old.

[DrFunkenstein]

13. C'mon...Who Killed Kennedy? I Won't Tell Anyone

I really need to know. That's even bigger than just "need to know."

[rasputin1952]

14. If I told you...

I'd have to kill you...:dilemma:....:D

[oneold1-4u]

34. No one doubted

The power and popularity of JFK and the fact that that power could only be suppressed in one way! The handling of any investigation about his death is very much like any investigation today within the power of republicans!
If they could give Gannon a lifetime vacation, they can buy ANYTHING!

[deacon2]

16. Absolutely Correct, rasputin1952

Any attempt to make the (S) designation other than "Secret" is, like the "Plame wasn't really undercover" story, absolute, unadulterated GOP bull-S-hit. One caveat though: I have seen things in Tom Clancy novels that I could be imprisoned for revealing, so as usual with these crooks, how this finally shakes out will depend on who you know and who you bxxw. I'm hoping Fitzgerald has them dead to rights and that Bolton gets his ass handed to him as well in the bargain.

Then it's time to go after the Big Game...

[Supersedeas]

12. John McCain is doing his party to run damage control for King Karl

[noamnety]

18. That's bs

Speaking as a former intel/counterintel person here, if a paragraph has a (S) in front of it, it's secret. There is no other interpretation.

If it were sensitive unclassified information it would have other specific markings. (FOUO - for official use only, for example.) The markings are very specific, and believe me, nobody who works with that stuff is confused about what (S) means at the start of a paragraph.

[ktowntennesseedem]

20. "Nobody who works with that stuff is confused... "

I can hear their latest defensive talking point now: "We WERE confused, because we don't usually work with that stuff!" Which is, of course, even deeper bullshit, because that means people who had no business looking at ANY of that stuff had access. Secret or not, I tend to believe a lot of folks with inadequate clearance were freely able to view and use info their eyes should never have seen.

[bvar22]

19. rotten traitors.

[DoYouEverWonder]

22. At the hearing today

Schummer said that the DOJ didn't launch the Plame investigation because of the Dems making it a political issue. He said that it was the CIA who demanded that the DOJ investigate this leak. That this incident was a major breach as far as the CIA was concerned. No wonder they've got Goss in there shredding stuff as fast as he can.

I've also heard a rumor that Tenet may be talking to the Grand Jury. Let's hope this is true.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

23. re-play Hearing Public Disclosure of Covert Agents is on NOW..... CSpan

[Up2Late]

24. I really want to see that from the beginning, if CSPAN says...

...when they are going to replay it again, could you send me a Private Message? :shrug:

That would be awesome.

[Up2Late]

25. NPR also had an Excellent Interview last Sunday on WESUN...

...with Los Angeles Times reporter Greg Miller, he really explains the "issues" involved in great and fascinating detail.

Well worth the 6 minutes 13 seconds it takes to hear it.

The 'Fragile Mosaic' of Establishing CIA Covers

Listen to this story (at link above)

Weekend Edition - Sunday, July 17, 2005 · Los Angeles Times reporter Greg Miller discusses the "fragile mosaic" of deception necessary to shield the identity of CIA operatives such as Valerie Plame. An investigation is under way to determine who in the Bush administration leaked her name to reporters. Host Liane Hansen speaks with Miller.


<http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4757713>

[LiberalVoice]

26. Kick

:kick:

[poetsdream]

27. I'm liking this story more and more!!

What's that I smell? I think it's fear, and it's coming from the white house...

[calimary]

32. Welcome to DU! I think you smell a skunk. Or two (hundred).

Glad you're here. Now get to work.

[windbreeze]

29. Question....

So how does that relate, to people with dual citizenships, in gov't service....such as Ari Fleisher, about whom I have read accounts saying he was seen and heard, openly discussing said memo...
windbreeze

[ElsewheresDaughter]

30. hey talk about dual citizenship...what about dusl heads of DOD boards...

Richard Perle was on the US Defense Board at the same time he was on the Israeli Defense Board?

[calimary]

33. Welcome to DU!

We need you - and all the help/activism/truth-telling you can give.