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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:27 PM
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just now MSNBC -- report of 3 DEM Senators being investigated
by the Dept of Justice for leaking TOP SECRET INFO on the senate floor. They named them on the segment but I did not catch all their names. One one of them however, is our Senator from Oregon --- Ron Wyden

here is a URL for a story I just found on GOOGLE -- http://cshink.com/justice_asked_to_probe.htm
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:29 PM
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1. Best of luck to them!
:hi:
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digno dave Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:37 PM
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24. Repugs do this in hopes of trivializing both issues as typical politics
that way, they skate.
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:29 PM
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2. And if they are guilty then they should be subject to punishment
just like everybody else. If not then we can ask who ordered the investigation and why.
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:31 PM
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9. I agree but I"m going to see a lot more REAL evidence
This is just like Bushco, to start an investigation against Dems, while their own is going on.

But, as you said Caution, if it's found they did something wrong, then shame on them. Go straight to jail, do not stop at Go, do not collect $200.
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Lord_StarFyre Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:34 PM
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20. Absolutely
...If they leaked, Screw 'em.

That being said, They can have the cells next to Scooter, Rove, and Oily Dick...
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:30 PM
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3. Hooray! I fully expect the congressional hearings to start and all
sorts of information to hit the public. Please Dems ask for PUBLIC hearings so rove can be pulled in to testify UNDER OATH as well!

Yeehaw fuckers, Bring. It. On.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:31 PM
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4. The Empire Strikes Back
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 04:32 PM by leveymg
Rove counter-attack! Imperial walkers advancing on the power generator. Deploy the grappling hooks! :nuke:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:06 PM
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47. Oh yeah, rove thinks nothing of outing
a CIA agent..even less of investagating Dem Senators.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:31 PM
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5. Cool -- if they're guilty, John Gibson will call them heros.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:25 PM
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44. *lol*
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:31 PM
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6. Harry Reid was one of them - if Jon Stewart is to be believed.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:57 PM
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59. .
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 09:01 PM by converted_democrat
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:31 PM
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7. December 14, 2004
Anything more recent?
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:31 PM
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8. Fox must be calling them heroes.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:32 PM
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10. So Chimpy is trying to ptretend that questioning
one of his unworkable and useless boondoggles is a security breach?

What a pantload!
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:32 PM
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11. Must be a talking point...it was mentioned on Ron Reagan's show
And he laughed about it. "What is there to investigate if the guys said it on record on the Senate floor?" Clearly, the right is trying to divert, as a big part of the segment on Reagan's show was this republican ass-clown trying to claim that the three senators' "leak" on the Senate floor was far more dangerous to national security than the Plame case, which, he added, didn't even register a blip on the radar it was so unimportant.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:32 PM
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12. can you say Revenge? stupid Repubs trying to take the heat of KKarl n/t
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:33 PM
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13. All three should get the Medal of Freedom. eom
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:33 PM
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14. Read your link--sounds like more political payback for those who refuse to
genuflect to the Bush agenda and their boondoggle Pentagon pork. It is still disturbing, none the less.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:33 PM
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15. Possibly a fake story
Googling the lede paragraph led to the link you provided and one or two other wingnut sites. Searching KOIN-TV, an AP affiliate, raised nothing.

Further, it's the Department of Justice, NOT the Justice Department. Any AP reporter or proofreader would know the difference and use the correct term, especially if it leads the entire article.

Just sayin'.
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waldnorm Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:33 PM
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16. Did You Take a Look at the Site . . .
where you got it from? Obviously a very newsmax type of site, except the front page doesn't even contain any current events story.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:18 PM
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54. Plus, the linked article contained this gem

Cshink Comment: Members of the Senate Intelligence Committee privy to highly sensitive information (like Jay Rockefeller) will undermine classified military projects that they don't like by leaking information from them.
These individuals of flawed character put themselves and their self-interests ahead of the interests of the country. They should be charged with treason.

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:22 PM
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56. Who wrote it?
Gannon?
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:34 PM
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17. Basically, all Dems. on the Intelligence Committee..Wyden,
Durbin, Rockefeller, and Levin.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:34 PM
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18. I was wondering what the repukes were talking about when discussing
Rove. They kept saying that there are senators that could be in alot of trouble for disclosing sensitive info on the senate floor.

I'm sure this is just part of the diversion. And unless the dems put our national security in jeaporady, as did Rove, their diversion won't work.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:34 PM
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19. I Think I'm Just About Ready To Throw In The Towel!
And BECAUSE of "the corrupt ones" I WONDER what country will have me!!!

Ah, maybe Sweden!

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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:35 PM
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21. I love the smell of desperation in the morning...
smells like... Rove.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:00 PM
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41. Maybe Congress should investigate this too.
Let's see just why the Justice Dept. has only targeted dems.
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doodadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:35 PM
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22. Do Senators all have Top Secret clearances
to have access to such information? I seriously doubt it.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:35 PM
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23. Ah, they stabbed Ron Wyden in the back.
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 04:38 PM by Straight Shooter
He came back from a fact-finding mission in Gitmo and found everything just peachy. Maybe he forgot to add that the peach was soft and fuzzy, too.

Wyden is a real stand-up guy. Even in the red parts of Oregon, they vote overwhelmingly for him. This is not going to go over well. My impression is that Wyden is tremendously respected by just about everyone on the Hill.

edit: I see the 12/2004 date now. I don't think this story has any legs. *whew*

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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:04 PM
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50. you are right.....Oregonians love Wyden!!!
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:38 PM
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25. They are Desperate !! That means they are GUILTY AS HELL AND
scared we will find out the truth. Why in the hell would they be going to such ultra-extreme measures to debunk the whole Niger Wilson deal.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:52 PM
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36. My sentiments EXACTLY.
This is GOOD news people. They're waving like crazy trying to distract the Corporate Media.

NGU.


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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:39 PM
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26. voting off the island
Guess who's got more votes? We're screwed.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:39 PM
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27. BS story but I guess you bought in......n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:39 PM
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28. From the article, it's not clear they were anything
but whistleblowers on a project that all the Democrats on the committee were against - this seems to be intimidation more than anything. Also, if what was in the article was labeled top secret - it seems they are abusing the "top secret" designation.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:39 PM
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29. remember that bushco/rove are the kings of smear ...we though roberts was
the distraction to take the spot light off of rove? apparently they shoved the spot light on to the dem. senators...and that was a plan hatched by republican senators who said that if rove needed to be investigated for leaking plame's name ... the dem. senators who had used classified information on the senate floor should have their security clearance removed too.

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:40 PM
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30. looks like rummies goons
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 04:52 PM by ooglymoogly
are counter attacking to see if they can deflect some of the attention away from turdblossom. imo the story looks pretty bogus...what are senators supposed to do, if not debating whether to fund etc..."you go to war with what you have,(in this case just a bunch of wishful thinking), not what you wish you had," like a some actionable info dude.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:41 PM
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31. Dec. 14, 2004?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:41 PM
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32. Not surprised
You attack this Adminisration and they come after you, your family, your past, and if they can't find anything then they just make it up. By the time the truth comes out the waters have been sufficiently muddied, such that the accusers of the Bush Administration have had their credibility damaged enough to take the heat off of the White House.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:44 PM
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33. Isn't sharing classified info on the senate floor LEGAL?
Didn't some whistle-blowing senator once intentionally (and legally) read a secret document into the congressional record because it was the only way to legally get the damning info into the public domain?
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:50 PM
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34. That is what I remember reading too
Reading it into the public record on the Seante floor is legal. I am not sure if there are any limitations though.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:51 PM
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35. aren't congress members immune from prosecution for what they say on
the floor???????
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:56 PM
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37. is this bigger news than Rove and the DSM?
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mandomom Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:58 PM
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39. Only if we and the MSM allow it to be.
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mandomom Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:57 PM
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38. More Rovian revenge against DEMOCRATS.
If they did not 100% support everything Bush ever wanted, they are fair game to Rove, democracy be damned. I can almost see Rove's skinny bland strands of hair stuck between the pages of the report.
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:59 PM
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40. Story is dated : 12/14/04

MDN
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emdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:01 PM
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42. Something tells me that this investigation will be a much quicker one. nt
n/t
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:15 PM
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43. How interesting if the following is the criteria for investigation, they
shot themselves in the foot again.

Under Justice guidelines, prosecutors must review such requests and ensure they meet strict requirements ? such as whether the information had been properly classified ? before they agree to begin a criminal investigation.

So Plame's identity was classified!

still have to read the rest
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:26 PM
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45. Republican Desperation is FUNNY
I'll trade three Senators for Bush, Cheney and Rove anytime.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:51 PM
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46. This is great
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 05:52 PM by Catrina
they are proving what they are accused of, they will smear anyone who tries to make them tell the truth. This should be used as proof of that in case anyone doubts it.

And even better! Republicans who were present at the time of these 'leaks from the Senate floor' were obligated to immediately report them and start an investigation.

Any Repub who didn't do that is in the same trouble Karl Rove may be in. I see an up-coming headline '15 Republicans failed to report leak of sensitive material and are under investigation. If convicted all 15 could end up in jail. This crime carries a fine of $10,000 and up to 10 years in jail'!!

So, where's the list of Repubs who were there that day?

www.pinsforpatriots.com
www.talknation.org
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:10 PM
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48. JUST NOW? Then post in LBN. The story is dated 12/04/2004. nt
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 06:12 PM by blondeatlast
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:16 PM
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49. Didn't Sen. Richard Shelby leak something from the Intelligence
Committee just last year?

Seems like he went straight from the meeting and called a couple of reporters about whatever they were talking about.

I think he was censured, but it didn't seem to get much publicity.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:13 PM
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51. Put them, Bush & Rove all under oath and grill them all.
Lets get to the bottom of all of this.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:11 PM
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53. I totally agree
:thumbsup:
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:10 PM
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52. No surprise
It's going to get very, very ugly indeed. Did anyone think Rove was going to go down without the dirty kind of fight he's famous for?

They'll go after congressman, senators, and their wives and children. Nothing will be spared. They'll try every nasty thing that nasty mind of his can think of to discredit the people trying to save our country. There are no lengths this won't go to.

Buckle up, and hope we don't have many skeletons in our closets. Cause it's war.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:19 PM
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55. Does anyone remember when Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala.
was accused about this time last year of leaking classified information -- and it went absolutely nowhere?
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:25 PM
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57. Well, obviously all they need to say is they heard it from the press
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:28 PM
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58. THIS IS CRAP AND NO ONE HAS PRODUCED ANY NEW STORY FROM 12-05
NOT WORTH THE TIME, HEAR SAY ON WHAT ONE PERSON HEARD ON MSNBC.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:58 PM
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60. Sounds hyped up to me. Complaining about wasting
money on a project is not the same as outing a covert agent. What a lame attempt to turn the tables.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:11 PM
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61. prolly Rove who got this garbage going
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