John Kerry: Fire Rove

[kerrygoddess]

John Kerry: Fire Rove
11 July 2005


Less than two weeks ago, you signed a petition joining members of the johnkerry.com community in calling for Karl Rove to be fired for his deliberate attempt to, once again, use the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks to divide America. Now Karl Rove is embroiled in another controversy concerning the leaked identity of a covert CIA agent, which Bush Administration senior officials said was done to punish her husband, a man who had the courage to tell the truth about manipulated intelligence in Iraq.

Karl Rove is the President's top advisor in the White House and what he has admitted doing has deep and troubling consequences for our national security.

Just today the President spoke at Quantico praising our soldiers and the employees of the FBI, CIA, and DEA for their work rooting out terrorism.

He told them, "Your work is difficult. It is dangerous. I want you to know how much your country appreciates you, and so do I."

But at the same time the President was saying these words, it was becoming clear that his top advisor was involved in exposing a CIA agent in the name of politics by telling reporters about her work - making her already dangerous job that much more dangerous.

In order to do what the President called on us to do today - "continue to take the fight to the enemy" - the White House and Karl Rove must stop taking it to their so-called political enemies here at home.

It's perfectly clear that Rove - the person at the center of the slash and burn, smear and divide tactics that have come to characterize the Bush Administration - has to go.

The problem is that, instead of protecting the American people from real threats to our security, this Administration spends its time protecting Karl Rove. That's not leadership.

They're doing their best to brush off this new Rove controversy as just another political story, but this time they are having a harder time getting away with it. That's why, if we raise our voices now, we can really make a difference. Please ask all your friends to sign our "Fire Rove" petition today:

MORE & LINKS - http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=1238

[XanaDUer]

1. GO!

It's revenge time.

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

[LittleClarkie]

2. It was actually more than two weeks ago

I'm ready to deck somebody over at Kos, because they keep saying that Kerry's only doing this now because it will look good politically, as if he were getting out in front of the issue NOW for politics sake.

Dagnabit, this petition is at least two weeks old! He's not just doing this NOW. He's taking advantage of the current ruckus to add signatures though.

[Mass]

3. Mine was received June 28th.

[kerrygoddess]

7. Just posted this on the Kos Thread

Anyone else want to whine about Kerry not speaking up about Rove give them the documentation!

Kerry sent out original petition on June 24th, the day after Rove's 9/11 remarks.

Email From John Kerry on Rove's Comments: "Calling on the President to Fire Karl Rove"
24 June 2005

Just hours after learning about an outrageous speech delivered by Karl Rove, President Bush's most senior advisor, I went to the Senate floor -- and I spoke from my heart. I want to share those words with you -- not as a Democrat or Republican, not as a liberal or conservative -- but as an American. I've attached part of my speech to the end of this email. But, before you read what I said, look again at what Karl Rove said:

(P)erhaps the most important difference between conservatives and liberals can be found in the area of national security. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.

I hope you will join me right now in signing an open letter to the President urging him to thoroughly reject Karl Rove's purposeful attack on the patriotism of those who dare ask the tough questions that best protect American troops. Sign our open letter to President Bush now:
http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/rove.php

MORE:http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=1146

Furthermore, since you missed that one you must have missed his Floor Speech on Rove the day before:

John Kerry's Floor Speech on Karl Rove's 9/11 Remarks: "Frankly, he ought to fire him."
23 June 2005

Text of John Kerry's Floor Speech on Karl Rove's 9/11 remarks:

Intro to Kerry's speech: "Karl Rove made some remarks last night that need to be addressed, that need to be apologized for..."

"Mr. President, None of us will ever forget the hours after September 11th, the calls to our families, the evacuations, the images on television -- and then the remarkable response of the American people as we came together as one to answer the attack against our homeland.

"We drew strength when our firefighters ran up the stairs and risked their lives, so that others might live. When rescuers rushed into smoke and fire at the Pentagon. When the men and women of Flight 93 sacrificed themselves to save our nation's Capitol. When flags were hanging from front porches all across America, and strangers became friends. It brought out the best in all of us.

MORE:http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=1139

[LittleClarkie]

29. I've given up on that guy

Facts be damned, he just has "issues" regardless. Geez, criticize if you like, but have your facts straight. Dayum. "Too bad Kerry didn't do this two weeks ago." Five or so people say in union "He DID!" only to have this guy come back with "Well, everybody was doing that two weeks ago, no big deal."

Come 'ere....slap, slap, slap! Shaddap! Why, I oughta...

[Broken Acorn]

41. Kos sucks

[globalvillage]

4. Thanks KG

That's the second anti-Rove e-mail from Kerry in the past two weeks.
I'm beginning to think the Senator from Massachusetts is not a big Karl fan.
:bounce:

[peacetalksforall]

5. NO NO NO Don't ruin everything. Here is my post about signing

the petition -


quote
I won't sign. Rove did not do this on his own. Dems must use
Edited on Tue Jul-12-05 12:30 AM by higher class

their brains. What is wrong with Kerry? This is juvenile and not smart. Let Fitzgerald do his job. Are you all nuts?

This is absolute madness. Prove me wrong.
unquote

[politicasista]

9. Who is Fitzgerald?

[peacetalksforall]

16. Fitgerald is the person heading the Grand Jury. n/t

[politicasista]

18. Are you afraid of Kerry?

I guess it would be better if anyone but Kerry were organizing the petition huh?:evilgrin:

[peacetalksforall]

24. Afraid? I don't think so. I think he is too careful and too slow to

react. But, I don't know what it is like to have to try to be a diplomat and save the country both.
'
I think a petition in this instance is unimaginative and timed wrong. It would be so much better for everyone if we had more facts as always, but we are only citizens.

It would be better if someone on his team prepared a chronological primer - a very easy to follow story so that those who are just now paying attention can have the details. It could contain information about the contrary and inaccurate claims being made by journalists.

It would be even better if someone figured out how to get a voice to counteract all the defenses the right wing is coming up with to sway the already swayed to their innocence. They are telling us that she wasn't an active operative. was she or was she not operating out of the CIA headquarters or from the Brewster, Jennings office?

In other words - counteract with some truth.

[LittleClarkie]

25. He is who he is, which is careful most of the time

And quite obsessive/compulsive in a way. But under certain circumstances, that can be helpful. When you're an investigator, for instance. Or gathering evidence.

There's another email that I got around the same time, which has to do with an ad that will be shown re: the Supreme Court. I rather like that idea, getting on the airwaves and all.

I don't know if signing a petition will help. And for all we know there are also other things going on where we can't see. But they're trying to do SOMETHING. Or rather they're trying to do several somethings.

Sometimes we score, as when the veteran stories helped him get veteran benefits in the Senate, or when he got the massive signatures for ANWR, or with the second USA Today ad that looked so good. And sometimes the effort seems to just sit there, as with the Rummy petition and this Rove petition, where you're not sure what's going to happen. And then there is the ongoing effort for children's health care, what with touring and fundraising etc.

I dunno. It looks like he's trying several different things. And as I write that, I think of the things even his PAC is trying to do, with their grassroots teams and such. Some of it will work, some won't. But at least he's trying to do something.

That's all I can say.

[kerrygoddess]

32. These investigations take forever.

Sad but true.

[kerrygoddess]

11. Was Waxman wrong asking for investigation?

Just curious? http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=1237

FYI, Kerry started the FIRE ROVE Petition before this whole PlameGate thing started heating up. http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=1146


Now there is all the more reason to push it. Kerry's petition first went out on June 24th, the day after he gave a Floor Speech calling for Rove's resignation. http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=1139

[peacetalksforall]

13. Waxman is right on target asking for a hearing (I think it was a hearing?)

There is no overlap... facts are more important than a resignation.

Do you think he will stop running things from his home? Keep him in his job and keep Scotty on the hot plate until Rove's bosses and co-leakers think things are too hot and the make him leave to cover up the other leakers. He can still be supboened for Waxman, I believe. If the Republicans won't go for a hearing it will end up being a forum similar to Conyer's DSM forum, i.e., without subpoena power if I understood things correctly.

[kerrygoddess]

14. Um even if he resigns or gets fired ...

They can still prosecute him. DUH! No longer being employed by the WH does not preclude that.

He should be fired, he should be prosecuted. Both. Thank you.

[peacetalksforall]

15. Get rid of Rove and the team that exposed Plame or the person or

persons who authorized Rove go free. The first call was supposed to have come from AF1 - does anyone think Rove acted on his own?

[kerrygoddess]

20. That is BullShit!

There is an investigation. Job or no job, they will still investigate. WTF?

[Mass]

23. In fact both Waxman and Conyers have asked for Rove's firing.

because they understand that firing him does not stop the investigations.

[Mass]

22. Apparently, he is far from alone asking that

On this specific line of the Plame story, Conyers was the first to ask, followed by a number of people including Kerry who is repeating his call from two weeks ago, before the recess.

Do you mean that Conyers is wrong. And all these other Congresspeople:

eps. John Conyers, Jr.; Maurice Hinchey; Sheila Jackson Lee; Sam Farr; Diane Watson; Barbara Lee; Zoe Lofgren; Danny Davis; Henry Waxman; Corrine Brown; Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick; Raul Grijalva; James McGovern; Bernie Sanders; Lynn Woolsey; Mike Honda; and Carolyn Maloney.



http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Chorus_for_Roves_head_grows__0711.html

Last week, Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) was the only one calling for Karl Rove to explain or resign, and 16 other House members had joined him by the end of the week.

[LittleClarkie]

26. Rep. Slaughter also has a petition

DailyKos has an ad and a link to it.

http://votelouise.com/page/petition/rove

[fedupinBushcountry]

30. NO, you are so wrong

This is very smart. Just think about it, FIRE ROVE, John Kerry knows this won't happen with this bunch, but it pushes the debate. The next step by shrub is saying I stand by Rove 100%, because he knows he can't fire him, Rove won't let him. Rove is part of Bush's brain, he can't live without him and will go down with him.

The media is finally pushing this. Why, you may ask, because two of their own are involved, first it was Rather, then Newsweek, now this, 3 strikes your out.

Scotty weasel tried to get a hit today to keep their game going, but a strike is a strike, now maybe we'll start seeing the media play some real HARDBALL.

:popcorn:

[ginnyinWI]

40. I flipped on public radio this morning, and it was there!

My local public radio (Wisconsin), on their usual call-in show was discussing Rove! I thought, Aha! This thing really has some nice legs now! Not a two-day story. There were no callers in defense of the WH, either. :)

[LiberalAndProud]

31. Agnew resigned before Nixon's impeachment hearings.

Houses of cards.

[politicasista]

6. Thanks KG!

:bounce:

[baby_mouse]

8. Fire Rove and they're shot of him

And can continue with their agenda

Imprison him and they are DAMAGED.

[zulchzulu]

10. No...sentence him for treason and hang the fat prick on Pay Per View

The money for the Pay Per View hanging would go to the Iraq veterans that are being screwed over by this war.

Now that's patriotic.

[kerrygoddess]

12. LOL! N/T

[Catfight]

39. I love that idea...I'd pay to see his bloated ass hung for treason. nt

[are_we_united_yet]

17. Sensible Citizens: Fire the entire Bush Administration

[TayTay]

19. Fire him, prosecute him and then send him to Gitmo

I don't care. I just want that Doughboy bastard to twist slowly, slowly in the wind. He is an unethical, immoral SOB who is going to get what's coming to him. 'Karma is a bitch, KKKarl.'

I gladly signed Sen. Kerry's petition two weeks ago. Now I am going to forward this latest e-mail to ten people I know. It can't hurt.

[LittleClarkie]

21. Ah Club Gitmo

will he get his own prayer mat and Koran? /sarcasm

[wisteria]

27. Alright John kerry!

I signed and forwarded this to everyone on my e-mail list!

[burrowowl]

28. Fire ROVE!

and IMPEACH BU$H and COMPANY!
AND after IMPEACHMEENT! PROSECUTE THE FUCKTARDS!
AND, I don't care what kind of 'CRISIS' this causes!
Ford was WRONG to pardon NIXON!

[second edition]

33. Kerry is right-as always!/Bush is wrong if he doesn't fire Rove!

Rove is damaged goods now, he has "been found out" of sorts. This can't be good for Bush's administration, to have people think Rove played a part in outing a CIA agent just out of spite in order to silence opposition views. Rove's actions just might make people take a look back to other incidences, like the SBV, who had indirect ties to Rove and what about the goings on in Ohio "coin-gate" and the big donations to Bush/Chaney?

[ginnyinWI]

42. his biggest asset becomes his biggest liability

Although this would have been so much sweeter if it had happened last summer. The reason it has come out at all is because *'s policies have been failures. Once they begin to smell like losers and failures, all the bad stuff they do sticks to them.

If the war had gone as well as Desert Storm did, we'd never have heard any of this. But they are failures at governing and the people are finally realizing it. And the press finally feels free to talk about it without risking the people thinking that they are being "unpatriotic".

What a screwed up situation: the patriots are the ones who tell the truth for the good of the country, not the liars who cover it up!

[Wabbajack]

34. Who else thinks Rove is gonna get away with it?

[oasis]

35. Rove being removed under fire would be giant step in toppling Bushco.

The press is in a feeding frenzy. Rove is the one who has been keeping them at bay.

[grace0418]

36. Fired? I want him prosecuted. I want him sent to Gitmo and be

shown the kind of hospitality the U.S. government is known for giving prisoners.

I'm sorry but someone should get fired for not doing their job or being caught stealing or something. Acts of treason demand a LOT more than being fired.

[Mass]

37. One does not prevent the other

the special prosecutor has to continue his inquiry, but the first step should be for Rove to be fired.

[ginnyinWI]

44. what will * do without his brain?

Although Rove could still advise behind the scenes. Maybe less effectively from a jail cell though!

The political impact would be huge. Rove would not be able to be publicly associated with any other repub seeking office.

[Mass]

45. Absolutely, Bush forced to fire Rove would be a crushing defeat.

I do not believe it will happen, but it is worth trying, rather than waiting for months for the special prosecutor to act.

[Catfight]

38. Petitions? What a wuss ass thing...let's call and complain. I'm sick

of pathetic marches, petitions and this weak way of doing things. Everyday they hounded Clinton in office, every freakin day Clinton was explaining himself, let's demand in CONGRESS and the SENATE to fire ROVE NOW!

[second edition]

43. Effective, unrelenting pressure is what is needed, IMO!

We deserve answers from the White House, petitioning is one effective way.We need to contact newspaper editors, write letters and make calls to senators and reps-not only democrats though. The cable and network media needs to be pressured to keep the "heat" on also. Rove should be a constant talking point for us. It seems too often we heat up real nice, but then we die out too fast.

[LittleClarkie]

46. So they log your call and hang up on your ass

and that will be the end of that.

It's a both/and situation. Petitions AND marches AND phone calls. All of them are semi-wimpy on their own.

And what we really, really need is numbers. Something will have to happen that will make the average apathetic human sit up and say "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

We may not be there yet. One more weird thing, one more war, a draft, a big attack, and I think that might do it.

Until then, call and march and sign petitions and, as I see there is another JK email, help him place ads in the media to get people's attention.

[Richardo]

47. Here's my 'additional comment':

A political operative has no credible role in a second-term White House - especially one that claims not to read the polls.

For the good of your fellow citizens, please release Karl Rove now.

That was right off the top of my head.