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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:15 PM
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Homosexual Marriage = Democracy Bashing
That was the thoughtful and well researched discussion this morning on American Family Radio (dobson's all hate all the time radio channel). Some zealot wrote a book about how homosexuals are destroying democracy by wanting to be married. Guess who published the book?

On a side note, please clarify for me, christians hated homosexuals when they didn't want to get married and now christians hate homosexuals because they do want to get married. I guess its better to destroy someone else's house then clean up your own what with the high divorce, spousal abuse and incest rates of heterosexual marriages.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:18 PM
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1. actually, funny they should mention it
but there is some historical evidence that the very early christian church condoned same sex "commitments"; the "sex" part wasn't really at the forefront of their thinking.

These people are a bunch of uneducated ignorant louts - what they have to say on any topic is almost inevitably just the lowest guttural form of self-serving stupidity.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:22 PM
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2. What you said sui generis!
I listen to that crap about a half hour a week and you are exactly right. The level of ignorance on their show is extreme. Almost as extreme as their level of hate.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:31 PM
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4. Homosexuality and "the" Bible
#
1 Samuel

# "The soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul ... And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments ... and his girdle." 18:1-4
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/1sam/18.html#1

# "Jonathan ... delighted much in David." 19:2
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/1sam/19.html#2

# Saul is angered by his son's homosexual affair with David and says, "do not I know that thou has chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion of thy mother's nakedness?" 20:30
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/1sam/20.html#30

# David and Jonathan "kissed one another, and wept with one another" when they parted for the last time. 20:41
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/1sam/20.html#41

2 Samuel

# David says to Jonathan: "very pleasant has thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of woman." 1:26
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/2sam/1.html#26


Also:
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm


A HETEROSEXUAL JEWISH RABBI'S VIEWPOINT

RABBI GERSHON CAUDILL RECLAIMS LEVITICUS FROM THE BIGOTS WHO HAVE WRONGLY USED THE ANCIENT HEBREW TEXTS TO PERSECUTE AND CONTROL GAYS AND LESBIANS.

HEALING THE TEXTS OF TERROR - THE REINTERPRETATION OF THE PROHIBITION ON HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES

http://home.earthlink.net/~ecorebbe/id18.html

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:26 PM
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3. Too bad Dobson & his ilk can't focus on things that actually help families
like universal and quality education, especially at the earliest levels--pre-k to grade 3, living wages for all and universal health care for all families in this country.

Instead they focus on something that is not a threat to anyone. How utterly tragic!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:33 PM
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5. To his credit, Dobson endorses masturbation
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 04:36 PM by IanDB1
From Focus on The (your) Family:

Challenges in the Teen Years
Masturbation
Dr. Dobson Answers Your Questions

QuestionMy 13-year-old son is in the full bloom of adolescence. Im suspicious that he may be masturbating when hes alone, but I dont quite know how to approach him about it. Should I be concerned, and if so, what should I say to him?

Answer I dont think you should invade that private world at all unless there are unique circumstances that lead you to do so. I offer that advice while acknowledging that masturbation is a highly controversial subject and Christian leaders differ widely in their perspectives on it. I will answer your question but hope you understand that some Bible scholars and ministers will disagree emphatically with what I will say.

First, lets consider masturbation from a medical perspective. We can say without fear of contradiction that there is no scientific evidence to indicate that this act is harmful to the body. Despite terrifying warnings given to young people historically, it does not cause blindness, weakness, mental retardation or any other physical problem. If it did, the entire male population and about half of females would be blind, weak, simpleminded and sick. Between 95 and 98 percent of all boys engage in this practice and the rest have been known to lie. It is as close to being a universal behavior as is likely to occur. A lesser but still significant percentage of girls also engage in what was once called self-gratification, or worse, self-abuse.

As for the emotional consequences of masturbation, only four circumstances should give us cause for concern. The first is when it is associated with oppressive guilt from which the individual cant escape. That guilt has the potential to do considerable psychological and spiritual damage. Boys and girls who labor under divine condemnation can gradually become convinced that even God couldnt love them. They promise a thousand times with great sincerity never again to commit this despicable act. Then a week or two passes, or perhaps several months.

<snip>

We were riding in the car, and my dad said, Jim, when I was a boy, I worried so much about masturbation. It really became a scary thing for me because I thought God was condemning me for what I couldnt help. So Im telling you now that I hope you dont feel the need to engage in this act when you reach the teen years, but if you do, you shouldnt be too concerned about it. I dont believe it has much to do with your relationship with God.

What a compassionate thing my father did for me that night in the car. He was a very conservative minister who never compromised his standards of morality to the day of his death. He stood like a rock for biblical principles and commandments. Yet he cared enough about me to lift from my shoulders the burden of guilt that nearly destroyed some of my friends in the church. This kind of reasonable faith taught to me by my parents is one of the primary reasons I never felt it necessary to rebel against parental authority or defy God.

Dr. James Dobson

This article was adapted from Complete Marriage and Family Home Reference Guide by Dr. James Dobson with the permission of Tyndale House Publishers, Inc. Copyright 2000 by James Dobson, Inc. All rights reserved. International copyright secured.

More:
http://www.focusonyourchild.com/develop/art1/A0000553.h...


Dr. James Dobson: Masturbation Enthusiast
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