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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:22 PM
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"Some say" put the politics aside and just grieve for London...
I grieve every death, those in London today as well as the ongoing death in Iraq and other places in the world.

HOWEVER our "leaders" have brought this upon us... So indeed TRULY grieve by respecting those who have died by holding these leaders responsible for our dilemma.


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andyhappy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:24 PM
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1. terrorism is political
its not like london was attack by the stay puft marshmallow man

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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:24 PM
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2. Bush was A #1 w/the politics after 9-11: THEY HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOM
Is that also Blair's excuse?
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:24 PM
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3. What politics exactly? Bush is still President and his administration
is still corrupt.
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Democracy White Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:24 PM
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4. I agree
with Bush trying to take over the world, etc. etc. there seems to be more hate for the Western world. We need to get someone in office who will help bring some peace in this world and restore our image.


Meanwhile I will just grieve for the people in London who were hurt or killed.

Dee
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:34 PM
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11. Yes!!! It's called "Diplomacy!"
Meanwhile, I too grieve for the innocent lives lost and harmed in Bush & Blair's" entangled lies for the powers that are!

Excellent surmise, Democracy White!
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Democracy White Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:04 PM
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18. Thank you so much
We are in rough times right now and we as a whole being need to sit down and think about what has happened, what can happen and what will happen if we don't change our path. I honestly believe that this upsurge in violence is not the last but since it is so thick right now I beleive we are entering another stage in our evolution. There are most of us that are trescending this primal, violent stage and entering a new one. Those that aren't realize that something is happening and is acting out subconsciously. That is why I think there is a heavy surge in conservatism and the religious right's movement. They are afraid of this new change and are trying to hold on. I think that is why Bush is the way he is, he is on another lower level spiritually than most of us here on DU and is reacting subconsciously too the higher level changes. I am having a hard time explaing this so I hope that you understand.

If you have heard of the Age of Aquarius you know what I am talking about.

The End Times are here but not in the literal sense of Revelations which in itself is a metaphorical and symbolic book.

Dee
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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:31 PM
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19. interesting... but
I think it's more about control (which has plagued the masses since the beginning of time) and the difference is those who are educated or informed (self confident in there ability to formulate an opinion) verses the ignorant, subservient and complicit...
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Democracy White Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 05:12 PM
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25. That could be, I don't know
but I believe what I believe and who really knows?

Dee
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:25 PM
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5. I grieve for the fact that this was caused by Bush's politics!
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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:28 PM
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6. exactly...
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jedicord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:28 PM
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7. When my mom died of cancer, I didn't stop looking for a cure...
even while I grieved for her. Keeping up the fight helped me to heal, in fact.

Stopping the fight definitely wouldn't have brought her back.
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:31 PM
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8. Well said.
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:32 PM
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9. The problem is larger than our leaders
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 12:33 PM by TwentyFive
Yes, this latest attack is to terrorize Great Britan into withdrawing troops. But, terrorist attacks have happened for centuries. Regardless of what we do, these people seek to kill, maime and destroy. They'll ALWAYS have something beef against people different from them.

What to do? Ultimately, the biggest enemy is not Bush....it's Fundamentalist Religious beliefs. Add dwindling natural resources, and you have the recipe for violence.



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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:41 PM
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14. Granted to a point... American Indians were considered terrorist too.
Our policies and skewed support for oppressive governments abroad bolsters Fundamentalist Religious groups.

We have similar problems in this country.

Religion is dangerous, always has been and it, in fact kills the foundations of the spirituality it purports to represent...
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:32 PM
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10. The wrongs of our leaders do not excuse the terrorists,
but those wrongs diminish our credibility when we try to take the moral high ground in fighting terrorism. We must demand the same standard of conduct from our leaders and from ourselves that we demand from the terrorists.

Violence does not solve problems -- whether perpetrated by terrorists or by nation states or by angry demonstrators. The truth ultimately brings people together and makes them strong and confident. Hence, the truth is a far better weapon than bombs or guns.

Therefore, we must not allow the terrorist attacks to deter us from our quest for the truth about the scandals of the Bush administration. Those scandals and the terrorist attacks of this morning are linked. The Bush administration misconduct has destroyed the ability of the United States to unite the world against terrorism. We have lost the moral high ground thanks to Bush, and only when we regain that high ground, only when we replace the Bush administration with a rational peace loving government can we defeat terrorism.
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:40 PM
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13. Oh - you said that so well.
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 12:41 PM by TwentyFive
We are a failed nation because we've mixed politics with Fundamentalist Religious Beliefs. Bush has taken these actions because he thinks we are the chosen, faithful ones...ironically...the same reason the terrorists use to attack us.

Bush is so committed to Israel because his Fundamentalist Religious advisors believe that god will bless any nation that supports Israel

Until our nation returns to our secular principles...we will continue to lose the high ground.
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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:51 PM
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17. yes, there is no excuse and I agree with you...
We need to keep the pressure on DSM, SCOTUS, PlaimeGate etc. These events (London etc.) play right into Bush and Companies continued effort to divert attention from the real causes.

This is all you'll hear about for days on the MSM and those attempting to emphasize the real problem will be belittled...
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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:35 PM
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12. I'm with you
This wasn't an act of nature. It was a bombing. If any government stood up and claimed responsibility for it, all talk would be of war. It is an act of war. The fact that none comes foward, being a cowardly act in all ways, does nothing to discount the reality that this was a CRIMINAL act. Human beings are responsible. Horrible, dangerous human beings. People that likely examined the environment carefully when they made their plans. People that looked at the faces of some of they people they were going to kill. People coming home from work, coldbloodedly planning their maximum deaths.

And if either the British government or ours had anything to do with it, well, it's still an act of war then isn't it. After 911, I was too shocked and somewhat uncertain that it could be possible. But now, I am not shocked, I have learned much information about this administration, and I don't believe they value human life at all. They seem to be saying, at every turn, they will stop at nothing to reach their goals. I think they mean what they say.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:44 PM
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15. Real grief abhors any participation in that which causes grief.
not just crocodile tears.
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johannes1984 Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:47 PM
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16. attitude
There is a clear line between the sense of sadness shared by us all .And the ideas which we promote after feeling them .The ideas promoted by this administration aren't apt or worthy of our society , of our beliefs .They are nasty , self-serving and even now on this day , meek .Instead of making sure it is known that we will not have any less resolve in making our world a better place ,the administration merely and meekly promoted it's policy , with a flare or veil of compasion(odd seeing as it's their favorite word) .

It's a necesity to continue the exercise in formulating a different policy .An exercise which is not in any way disgraceful or unworthy when it aims to critizise the current policy .

We're all born in one world , we're all going to die in one world , let's learn to live in one world . As JFk so aptly put it .

One of the wrongs of this administration , and i'm saddened to say the media , is to put emphasis on the fear .Watching BBC here in Europe , there's a solom sadness .A sadness , not loud , not extreme , but solom .Turn over to CNN US's website and in big bold letters the first thing you read is 'WE WERE WAITING TO DIE '.

Fear doesn't do anyone good , it is part of their policy .So , and I might be wrong , I see it as normal to critisize their response and going to a wider extent , their policy .

*just to ...pre-empt the critics ...this does not mean justice won't be served .It means that the justice to be served will never equall the importance and size of the price paid , and future ahead .

My thoughts go out to all those struck by this dark and heinous deed , also those who have to live with this on a daily basis , it is impossible for me to conceive .
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:49 PM
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20. It is shameful that THEY have created an environment ...
in which a rational human being doesn't know WHAT to believe. :crazy:

The attacks are of course terrible for the victims and for London and the UK and the world.

But it isn't "we the people's" fault that there is so much doubt about what is REALLY going on.

And as I rack my own brain to try to figure it out, I decide that I can not know. Not now, maybe not ever.

All we can do is react to what we know has happened. People have been hurt.

And to say how suspicious we are, because of what has already been done by the powers that be. The disinformation, misinformation, corruption, deceit, hypocrisy.

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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:57 PM
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23. pretty simple really...
why did this happen? because of policies and strategies that are and have been pursued in the middle east.

Our leaders are to blame ultimately because they have failed to do the right thing intensifying the climate of hatred.

the rest is just the details.

My purpose in posting this thread is that some are flaming other for voicing these sentiments as if we should "give it a rest" for some undetermined amount of time.

Bush and Company were spinning immediately and will continue to attempt to capitalize on this tragedy in the same way they constantly use 9/11.
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Humor_In_Cuneiform Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:03 PM
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24. I don't disagree, was speaking to the confusion
as to whether or not this was somehow allowed to happen or not. As some believe that 9 11 was allowed to happen.

I'm saying that while sensitivity to the tragedy is necessary, it doesn't mean we have to pretend to believe stuff that we don't know to be true.

And we needn't, IMO, still our own voices.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 01:28 PM
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27. Hi Humor_In_Cuneiform!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:55 PM
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21. I can grieve for London and question suspects and motives at the same time
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:20 PM
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22. I can grieve for the losses and be political at the same time.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 07:06 PM
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26. When is the last time we took a moment of silence for the 100,000...
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 07:20 PM by Hippo_Tron
civillians killed in Iraq?

What happened in London yesterday was horrible. What happened to us on 9/11 was horrible. But what we did to Iraq was horrible as well.
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