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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:16 AM
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Anyone here think the London attack is beneficial to Bush?
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 11:19 AM by saracat
I find it odd that they are talking about this is the test of the "new" super intelligence system and there was NO intel whatsoever! say what? None? And initially it was announced that the terror level in the US was unaffected as there was NO intel indicating anything unusual. Then the Chimp, taking advantage of this situation, asks us to be cautious and the the threat level on buses and subways and trains in the US is raised! Bullshit. This is supposed to knock Rove off the front page and it did.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:18 AM
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1. Its possible...
Apparently Bush** ratings are up to 52%.

Rove isn't the lead story this morning.

More support for "taking the fight to the terrorist.."

Attempt to bolster Brittains support for staying in Iraq.

Puts focus on other rogue states like Iran, Syria, etc...
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:26 AM
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7. The Rasmussen ratings were at 52% BEFORE this happened. NT
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:20 AM
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2. All of the lizard brains out there will get high on the "need"
for Violence; that will be good for Bush.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:20 AM
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3. As surprising as it may be, the world does not obey to Bush
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 11:26 AM by Mass
That he is going to take advantage of the situation as much as he can is not surprising.

That his policies (in Iraq and generally speaking) do not help fight terrorism is a sure thing.

But if by associated, you mean he had something to do with the attack (at whatever level), I think you are just underestimating what determined people can do (misguided or not) to reach their goal. Whoever did that was perfectly able to do it, as far as we know, and we are not talking about a sophisticated attack here.

NOTE: I see that you changed your title. I agree with the post now.
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bookman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:23 AM
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4. The British won't be buying...
..the "we're fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here" line.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:24 AM
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6. here means the US, not Europe...
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 11:29 AM by Mass
Dont forget it is something he is saying to an US electorate.

It is still BS (in addition of being racist), but as long as an attack will not take place in this country, some people here will still believe that.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:23 AM
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5. Yes. Not raising the alert here is total bullshit. It would be a
time when everyone here would understand and welcome it. Just shows that the terror alert raisings here were politically motivated.

I recently posted on this. There has not been a raising in the alert level since August of 2004. (Raised multiple times in 2003 into 04).

Now, does that mean:
1. Terror threats gone?
2. They never existed and were politically motivated?
3. Or they they existed before but are being squelched now.

Now, either the BFEE here and abroad are in on the London horror and know we are not in danger or the don't give a flying f%#$ about us.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:27 AM
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10. They did raise the alert here.On transportation other than planes.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:18 PM
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27. Ya, at least 8 hours Late ! After all our commuters at work !
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:26 AM
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8. England said their were pulling out of Iraq for deployment to
Afghanistan in the next 18 months. As for terrorist assaults outside of Iraq - most are a little too convient. Most have big holes in the stories when you go in and look at them. Most of the seem to be to help US policy.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:27 AM
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9. Yes.
His beloved "sheeple" are at Home Depot right now buying plastic sheeting and duct tape. They will be "terrified". We won't be able to get their attention back on DSM/Rove/Impeachment again for a month. By then, all those issues will have dies a natural death.

Yes, he benefits, alright. Bet on it.

TC
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:29 AM
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11. Yes, it helps Bush in some ways -- which means nothing.
I find it sad that many posters here are, on the one hand, saying "let's not jump to conclusions about who did this attack. It may not be Islamic fundamentalists" and then on the other hand are saying, "Wow, this sure looks like Bush's handiwork."

C'mon now. Don't make me break out the tinfoil smilies.

Oh, what the hell... :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:
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Klimmer Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:17 PM
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19. Since 911 (or before) our administration is capable of anything now . . .
Yes, look at all possibilities immediately. Was this terrorists, was this the Bush administration, or was this Blair et al? Who benefits? Don't allow a cover-up. It needs to be investigated openly and immediately and all options, not just the ones they tell us to look at.

We can no longer listen to their explanations and claims of who does the terrorism. We can no longer be allowed to be duped. Perhaps it really is a terrorist organization with an agenda. Perhaps it is a terrorist organization supported by our very own governments (US and/or UK; although I'm less skeptical about the UK, but highly skeptical about our government) to be used for convenient political purposes. Perhaps it is just our governments faking a terrorist plot. Everything is now on the table each and every time any attack occurs.

If we don't question all attacks now post 9-11, then we are really gullible, and we are truly sheeple.

If you don't know that 9-11 was an inside job, MIHOP, then you haven't been paying attention. The facts do not fit the 9-11 Commission Report. And if they are lying about 9-11 then they will lie about anything.

Our government wants us scared and full of fear --- then they can control us.

I'm less concerned and fearful of terrorists than the Bush Crime Family and our current administration.
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kilo Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:24 PM
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29. Follow the money
This benefits London taxi cab operators
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 04:00 AM
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46. "If you don't know that 9-11 was an inside job, MIHOP
Edited on Tue Jul-12-05 04:55 AM by fujiyama
If you don't know that 9-11 was an inside job, MIHOP, then you haven't been paying attention."

I've been paying enough attention and I reject bogus "theories" like missile pods, controlled demolitions, and the Pentagon being destroyed by a missile.

Those of us that reject MIHOP are not necessarily kool aid sippers or apologists.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 03:47 AM
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45. It doesn't necessarily
have to be done by anyone with a direct connection to the neocons, only by someone sympathetic with their cause - just look at the anthrax mailings for an example of this.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:31 AM
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12. Blair and bush* were locking horns on "global warming" at the G8... KABOOM
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 11:36 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
and Blair had nto rush to London....just mt $0.02
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:35 AM
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13. When did Netenyahu (sp?) get his warnings?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:44 AM
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14. More importantly, does anybody think it is NOT benificial to bunkerboy?
Rove, Plame, Downing Street Miniutes - can't talk about THOSE now, can we!
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:45 AM
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15. No doubt the Right will jump on it, but
to me it just emphasizes that Bush's policies (and Blair's complicity) in winning the war on terror by attacking a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 are and have always been all wrong. I would argue, as so many have, that the instigation of the Iraq war has in fact turned that country into a training ground for Islamic fundamentalist terrorists, and I think the London attack has proven or at least lent great credibility to this assertion. As I see it, Bush started this whole mess. His irresponsible, self-serving actions have wreaked havoc on the U.S., and now those same actions have brought death and destruction to the U.K. In my view, this is all the more reason to impeach and convict him, and then to try him in criminal courts both here and abroad after his removal from office.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:49 AM
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16. Well I knew this is what would be going through
near every DU'ers mind. Me too. My thoughts: I've been in those tube stations it could have been me! I had been in the madrid station many years ago too..but London feels closer.. Next thoughts: Scumbag terrorists..rot in hell. Then of course: That fucking war in Iraq doesn't make anybody anywhere safer or better off. Isn't it completely fucking obvious?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Find a way to deal with even the sickiest-the scumbag terrorists because all WE and Britian are doing is making MORE of them every damn day. It seems to me crucial that we need real leadership and we have none. NONE. It's all posturing and lies.

Welcome to the age of endless terror. My only comfort is that these sick assholes in the White House and around them someday will be written about as the fools that got hundreds of thousands killed by being such worthless leaders without vision. WAR is not the answer anymore. Welcome to the new millenium.

Of course if will knock Bush/Rove off the front page. But Christ, all THEY need to do for that is have a stupid blonde woman missing or hell just not show up to her wedding. The media is not protecting us. The govermnent is not protecting us. We are own our own. And I feel deeply for those that live in big cities anywhere on the earth.
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1956 Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:56 AM
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17. That's right!
"knocking them off the front page!" This really infuriates me! Especially since, it was probably all planned, an inside job! Blair and Bush are in cahootz! The likelihood of coincidence is just too
astronomical, kinda like the exit polls being as far off as they were!!! Arghh! I was SO hopeful when the Rove scandal was hot yesterday, SO hopeful!!!
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:05 PM
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18. Oh please
I'm glad you believe we can kill every terrorist on earth and be safer. I'm glad that Iraq war is working out for you so well. Welcome to the age of endless terror. I hope you enjoy it. But I somehow doubt you ever go anywhere with big cities. After all, that's where the liberal conspiracy "nuts" live.
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1956 Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 05:08 PM
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38. I don't think your reply has anything to do with my comments
or are you a sicky?
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:38 PM
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20. No, it wont be beneficial to Bush.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:42 PM
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21. Yes
Any hope of derailing the misconceptions and the move towards a rightwing federalist society has taken a huge hit.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:42 PM
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22. It's hard to say, but what else has he got? nt
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:48 PM
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23. It will Help Bush
A. It did not happen "at Home" (ie. on US Soil)
B. His poll numbers are already up.
C. It highlights his need to "take the fight to the terrorists."
D. It creates fear which is Bush/Rove bread and butter.

Now, if joe six pack had half a brain he would make the not too giant logical leap and see that:

1. Terror has increased, not decreased.
2. Organized military response does little to prevent terror.
3. Occupying a sovereign nation, destroying their homes and killing their children is only going to inflame terror.
4. If Bush is leading the GLOBAL war on terror, then terror IS happening on his watch and he is NOT living up to his promises.
5. Saddam being locked up means absolutely f*cking NOTHING.
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jerryster Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:57 PM
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26. Excellent post
My kudos to you. Well said and well constructed. Your first point about it not happening here in the U.S. is right on target. Right wing pundits love to point out how there have been no attacks since 9/11. They of course simply turn a blind eye to the fact that the rest of the world can't say that.

Your point about fear being Bush/Rove bread and butter is also right on target.

My only question is re: Bush poll numbers. I just saw a 43% approval rating. When (and HTF?!) did it get up to 52%?
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kilo Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:29 PM
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31. Where will britain go?
IE: US in Afghanistan after 9/11
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:04 PM
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41. Sadly, all true
I expect he'll get a huge bounce in the polls and many Americans will make the leap illogical again. :eyes:
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:51 PM
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24. Yes. the bastard.
He'll capitalize on death just like before.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:52 PM
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25. No, and here is why I think his bounce will be smaller than he hopes.
Americans now know that there was no reason to go to war in Iraq, that Osama bin Laden was within our grasp but we let him go, Iraq is now al Qaeda's training ground, that al Qaeda has gotten stronger because of the invasion of Iraq. Most of all, they know about the DSM, which paint Blair and Bush as being lying, scheming invaders of Iraq. Therefore, they are going to attribute some of the blame for this attack to a failure of leadership of both men.

Most of all, the way you drum up patriotic fervor in the wake of such an attack is you invade some country. But we are out of troops and out of countries to invade, even if the American people were willing to invade another country which they are not.

I suspect that * blew up those bombs in an attempt to keep Britain from pulling its troops out of Iraq and maybe to save Blair's political career. If Blair is kicked out, *'s chances of getting impeached over here rise dramatically.


The only way I can see * benefitting from this is if it was staged to get the UN all hot and bothered so that the US could hand over military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan to the UN, freeing * from his no-win war. Now THAT would get him a bounce in the polls.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:20 PM
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28. Pretty amazing. Lots of bad press for BushCo, falling ratings and...
suddenly there's a 'terrorist attack' that helps BushCo at no political cost whatsoever.

Paid for by the CIA perhaps? Is this an 'operation northwoods'?

I'm minded of the crimes that can be committed by rightwingers (and it is always rightwingers--I wonder why) via 'ideological remote control', as it were. As for example when Likud virtually ordered the killing of Yitzhak Rabin. All they had to do was pump out their hate-Rabin-Rabin-is-betraying-Israel messages til some fanatic, it didn't matter who, did their dirty work for them. And, lo and behold, it didn't take long.

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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:24 PM
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30. How does it help him?
If anything it will only alienate England from America's war cause. It also proves that bin Laden is STILL a threat, yet American forces continue to be preoccupied with Iraq.

Explain how this will help him? It only proves his failure.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:37 PM
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33. One word: distraction
You watch. It will be spun as a wake-up call for loin-girding, belt-tightening, course-staying, and effort-redoubling. The DSM, the Plame thing, everything will be pushed to the side as being unimportant.

Just watch.
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:44 PM
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35. LOL
I'll be watching. ;)

You watch, too.

Because this just proves that America is no safer today than it was when we entered Iraq. This will prove that Bush's ignoring of bin Laden has caused yet another terrorist attack.

You just watch.

You watching?

Good.

Just keep watching.....I'll watch too.
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kilo Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:31 PM
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32. Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 01:33 PM by kilo
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:39 PM
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34. Just so.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:49 PM
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36. No, it illustrates clearly that Bush failed. The world is less safe.
Al-Quaida is stronger. And we never pursued OBL.

Will the poodle press go against the facts and act as cheerleaders again?

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:51 PM
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37. absolutely
distraction from the myriad scandals and outrages and crimes he's been besieged with lately

distraction and probably a boost to his poll #s

increased kneejerk outrage will be leveraged to escalate the enrichment of Halliburton, er war on terror
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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 05:10 PM
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39. Parliament could demand a greater role and that might
include that Bush stop pretending Iraq has anything to do with the battle against terror. To get Britain and Europe involved, there will have to be reality-based initiatives. I can see Bush's role diminishing considerably.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 06:50 PM
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40. sure is convenient, right?????.....many questions
stunned by news.....please excuse paranoia-------sure is convenient, right????


it would be 'bad' for US to be attacked again.....but attacking London serves somewhat the same purpose = Bush our leader in war

wipes out attention on DSM and Plame+Rove

great opportunity to attack all questions as 'supporting terrorists; being treason; hating America'

warns British govt to support Bush

great for bush gang to let British 'take one for the gipper'

......

why does no one think IRA might be responsible????

does this have any connection to London getting 2012 Olympics???....London: so happy yesterday, so sorrowful today


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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:25 PM
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42. TOTALLY agree
this is exactly what I had been thinking myself.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:25 PM
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43. Dupe
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 07:27 PM by Piperay
I'm having trouble getting DU posting correctly today, either get none or end up duping.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 02:38 AM
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44. War profiteers generally benefit when violence begets violence. (nt)
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