KRAP!! New "Religious Left" Group Attacks Dems

[Cell Whitman]

Frederick Clarkson was rooting for these folks like all of us, well, check this out.

What do you think?

http://www.frederickclarkson.com/2005/06/new-religious-left-group-attacks-dems.html

New "Religious Left" Group Attacks Dems
I regret having to say this, but the Christian Alliance for Progress is off to an inauspicious start.

The new organization, presenting itself as a voice of the "Religious Left" has received some national and international press coverage, and it has set out some well articulated issue statements from a progressive Christian perspective. It says it wants to form a national progressive grassroots political organization. It has also been duly denounced by the Christian Right.

But there is one really big problem.

The group's Director of Religious Affairs and principal spokesperson, Reverend Timothy F. Simpson, thinks and acts just like a leader of the Christian Right in one important respect. He publicly accuses the Democratic Party and "the left" of being anti-religious and suppressing religious expression. It is a baseless accusation and I hope he will abandon it.

In an interview with The American Prospect, here is what Simpson said:

...please read his post for how he sees it.
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Photo of George and Bar greeting the conservative movement's Savior's wife backstage at the Tokyodome. The Messiah hisself couldn't make it, Japan won't let him enter their country. The Moon organization swindled hundreds of millions(likely billions) of dollars from the Japanese. Swindles helped along by shills who sell the credibility, name and prestige of the Presidency of the United States.



http://cellwhitman.blogspot.com/

[LightningFlash]

1. Dear me more kooks....

http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/print/V12/7/dreyfuss-r.html

These type of people need to leave the democratic party, it is obvious they can not keep their business to themselves or force others to try to think like them.

[snowbear]

2. A Kook is right... He's a NOBODY that created another liar's blog..

That's all...

I wouldn't worry about him! Chalk up another wack-job :crazy:

[Erika]

3. yep

Just someone wanting a few minutes of fame.

[Cell Whitman]

7. I wouldn't count them out but as Fred puts it

Christian Alliance for Progress is off to an inauspicious start.

They do have many progressive views. I am sure we will find ourselves rooting for most of what they say but sheesh....

[MisterLiberal]

13. I'm sorry, but...

we have enough religious wackjobs in one party, we don't need 'em here.

You wanna pray, then go to Church, STAY OUT OF POLITICS!

[Cell Whitman]

16. something somehow has to change who represents Christianity

in this country. Whether we like it or not the right is run by theocrats who, imho, aren't Christian at all but they are openly political.

So, I hope something recaptures that, even as I wish it didn't have to happen in the political arena. The right made this happen. Now if this new group proves to be another version of religion wanting to take over then I agree completely.

I guess I am saying I agree with you, but sadly the reality is the right is there and they ain't going away and they are a political force. Moon saw to that. So if some folks want to recoup what Christianity is all about, so be it, I'm pulling for them. I can see why they would want to, the right wizzes on Christ's name daily. See my post below on the 95 theses.

If you read the first post at my blog, I try to talk to this a little. Let's say they passed one of these Walter Jones bills that would let churches donate to candidates and stay tax free. Well, not only is auto theocracy, sooner or later as the theocrats would put their face on the nation and Christ. The more liberal churches will have to get involved or see themselves go by the wayside. They have a stake in this. Falwell types are lowlifes who will eventually try to legislate against what they see as the wrong kind of Christianity. Does anyone doubt that? They would, these are zealots. If we stay on this road, it will happen one day though they would laugh if you said it to them.

I read a post on religious site the other day and they were making the point that we weren't moving theocratic, said that is silly. Why? They said because they weren't getting what they wanted. How's that for logic. They claim they in no way want or support a theocratic government and we should know we aren't becoming one because they aren't getting what they want. HUH? That is how they think.

I think the liberal churches have a stake in this and it is not of their making. They are being forced into this, imho. I had no intentions of spending the time I do on politics but I can't sit and watch.

what do think? It is late and I don't put my thoughts together too good as it is. Hope you see my point even if you disagree... :)

[madeline_con]

4. "It says it wants to form a ...

... national progressive grassroots political organization. It has also been duly denounced by the Christian Right."

Two points, and they drop the ball.


"... have been allowed to call the cadence ..."

Sounds kind of goose-steppy to me.

BTW, the pic's not entirely clear. Who does George I have in a headlock?


(edited for spelling)

[snowbear]

6. I don't think anyone's in a headlock..

LOL :rofl: ..kinda looks like he's holding a china doll if you look real close.

Pretty blurry though, you're right..

[Cell Whitman]

8. the photos came from a propaganda video of Moon's.

Moon's x-daughter inlaw said he had millions muled into the USA in bags-o-cash on devotees. Maybe George and Bar are making a run for him.

[madeline_con]

11. "Maybe George and Bar are making a run for him."

It certainly looks that way. Maybe they're parting gifts.

[Oversea Visitor]

5. Ahh the previous product life cycle ended.

I see they now put a new product out any buyer hey.

[Broken_Hero]

9. Great...

Just what we needed, more attacks, thta we are all godless, satan worshippers, damn, doesn't this guy all ready know, that the RW does a good enough job of throwing this rhetoric, and that his services aren't needed? go work for mcdonalds, you are needed to there, :P

[Cell Whitman]

10. "95 Theses on the Religious Right"...this is how to do it...

check this out, found it at Dr. Prescott's blog
http://mainstreambaptist.blogspot.com/

...there are 95 of them... What you think? Got a favorite?

http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2005/06/95_theses_on_th.html

95 Theses on the Religious Right

Philosopher Peter Ludlow (Michigan) writes:

Here's something you may not have known or suspected. When I grew up my family went to a conservative Christian church and I subsequently went to a Swedish Baptist college in Minnesota. I recently went back to my home town and was sickened by what became of the family church over the last 20 years. The received view is that the conservative christians have taken over the Republican Party. I think the reverse happened. The right wing of the Republican Party has taken over the church. Nothing could be more clear to me. In a fit of revulsion, and with a nod to Marty Luther, I wrote up the following 95 theses on the relighous right: Download ludlows_95_theses_on_the_religious_right.doc In lieu of nailing it to the door of the Wittenburg Church I'm sending it to you instead. Not exactly the same thing, I realize. I'm not saying I'm a believer and I'm not saying I'm not, but I am saying that what has happened to the fundamentalist church is revolting.

Professor Ludlow invites readers to redistribute it as widely as they'd like.


(......read on for the 95.

here's a few I liked...)


21. While the Religious Right has been eager to persecute others for their alleged sins, they have been blind to their own.

22. While the Bible counsels that a rich man can no more enter the of Heaven than a camel can pass through the eye of a needle, many in the Religious Right have celebrated the acquisition of wealth.

23. While the Bible enjoins us against pride, the Religious Right appears to be flush with pride in it's holier than thou stance.

24. While the Bible asks that we be slow to anger, the Religious Right is quick to anger -- indeed it appears to revel in anger and in fanning the flames of anger in others.

25. While the Bible counsels that we are not to be "revilers," key members of the religious right have consistently and aggressively reviled their political enemies as well as those who are perceived to be sinners.

[snowbear]

12. Cell, here's something I think is fishy....

It seems that the guy who created that blog, Frederick Clarkson, is actually trying to smear Tim Simpson.

If you read what Simpson actually says =HIMSELF= it looks like Clarkson is a rightwing dirtbag afraid Democrats may gain back Christian voters.

I seriously think Clarkson is trying Rovian dirtball schemes. Maybe he freaked when he read this...

"RELIGIOUS DEMOCRATS AIM TO CLOSE GOD'S GAP"

...."Simpson thinks there are millions of "independent, moderate, swing voters" who believe in God but distrust the religious right's power. He said in an interview, "When Democrats have talked religion to those voters, looked `em in the eye, they have been successful," citing Bill Clinton's two election victories."

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/news/politics/11975302.htm

[Cell Whitman]

14. I can see why nowadays that would set off your Rovedar but I don't thin so

Damb, my computer just crashed and I lost several paragraphs of explaining. Getting late so this will have to do for now.

First let me say that I firmly believe that Moon is winning so believe me, I am open to most anything. :)

But please read more of Fred's blog. Go here and read "The weakest link"
http://www.frederickclarkson.com/2005_05_15_fredclarkson_archive.html

and under it is a link to his appearance on NPR. Give him some more time if you are not too familiar with him. He is very well respected. He was a presenter at the liberal religious conference to fight the right last April. He has written on the religious right for 25 years. Not saying I always agree with him on everything.(I lost that story in the cash sorry)

I think Fred has been fighting this fight so long that something as promising as this group may make him more critical of them but I do believe he hopes for this group like we all do. This wasn't a pleasant thing to post, that is why I added the stuff on the 95 Theses above. :)

But here is what I think his point is larissa, and it is important.

quoting from your link:

Simpson said at the Press Club launch, "There is a sector of folks on the left that have been enormously vocal about (stressing secularism), that have shouted down the vast majority of folks on the left who are people of faith, who do believe in God. ... We don't believe that people should have to check their faith tradition at the door of the public arena."

If I am Fred that'd piss me off. I don't think the "sector" of people that fall under that are big enough to be mentioned. I and I believe others who are "shouting down" - as he puts it - are doing so based on the fact that we are watching Theocracy taking over our nation. We are not blind to the road we are on. Ours is a reaction to out of control "religion" being run by theocrats. The religious right, for better or worse, IS the face of "religion" in politics. Moon made that happen, btw, said he would and he did. When you see a movement in which there is no question that it wants to take the constitution and piss on it, I will shout but it has nothing to do with being 'over' secular. I am of the mind that their leaders aren't even Christians on the right. Jesus Christ certainly never did anything that deserved what they do in His name. imho.

again, anything is possible in this day and age, and I could certainly see why this would give you pause, we all want this group to do the job not give them talking points.

Fred here I believe is genuinely miffed and I can see why.

[snowbear]

15. Well....

If he's miffed, but is using that anger for a good cause ---to lure back Christians who are only Republicans because they are programmed to think that they're supposed to be - - -

And if he can show them how far the right will go to USE them to win, then, hey- - - he's ok in my book.

I'm sick of the Pastor Chan Chandlers, and the Jeb vs. Schiavo's, and the phoney appearances of Tom DeLay and Bill Frist at Christian Functions.

There was a t-shirt or bumber sticker or something going around on another forum on DU that I still like. It reads:

"I'm a Christian, NOT a FRISTian!!" ;)

[Cell Whitman]

17. "I'm a Christian, NOT a FRISTian!!"

hehe

I am not giving up on them and I don't think Fred is but I am not sure they "get it" based on this quote. I wish there was no need for them to be involved, that the Robertsons and falwells didn't have the power they do forcing these folks into the arena.

Do give Fred some reading he puts things in words well. If I wrote like him, Moon would be in chains. :)


sleep now...