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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:47 PM
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Dean aid refutes 3rd. party phone calls
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 01:47 PM by NewHampster
straight from http://www.deanfornewhampshire.com/

Today, Karen Hicks, Dean For America's New Hampshire State Director, made the following statement:

"In recent days, our campaign has been hearing reports from New Hampshire voters that they are receiving:

phone calls early in the morning and late at night;
"robo calls" from soulless machines, not calls from considerate people;
calls claiming to originate from the Dean campaign, but do not;
and even harassing calls and bigoted messages.
Let me be very clear. The Dean campaign does not call New Hampshire homes before 8:30 am or after 8:30 pm. Our calls are made by respectful people, not droning machines. Our callers tell the truth.

We call on the other campaigns to make the same commitments.

We are grateful for the extraordinary engagement of New Hampshire's people in this race. But our campaign believes that everyone deserves some peace, some respect, and a truthful message."
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:49 PM
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1. This is REALLY troubling
It never ceases to amaze me how low some people will go.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:53 PM
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2. I don't know which campaign is doing this
But I heard that Clark has some really slimey people working for him. Especially that guy who appeared on Harball. I'm forgetting his name. This seems like something he'd organize.
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:58 PM
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8. Its been going on here for awhile
My wife has had a few of the robo calls and I got a purported Dean call early on a Sunday.

What we really see as more troubling is that three weeks ago anywhere you went in NH there were Dean signs. Literally everywhere!

Then they started to dissapear. Our yard sign and two of my neighbor's were stolen in one night.

Now the ground is too hard to put signs up and only big ass snow piles are left. You'd think that only John Kerry and Edwards were running because there are hardly any other signs left.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:00 PM
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11. Funny you should mention that
"You'd think that only John Kerry and Edwards were running because there are hardly any other signs left."

I've heard that, and that Edwards people have been placing huge Edwards signs in front of Clark's. Not to mention the Kerry people handing out Anti-Clark flyers to people exiting Clark events. :puke:
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:29 PM
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23. Everybody comes to Clark events
I can't think of a candidate whose supporters have not shown up leafleting, bird-dogging, heckling, or playing bongos. Even if we don't win NH, for sure we win "Most Popular." :)
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:23 PM
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21. Lieberman people
tear down Clark signs, it's been reported. Maybe they do others, as well.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:40 PM
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27. Now let's analyze this....
Republicans would likely take down ALL Democrat signs and replace them with Bush signs.

If it were one Democratic campaign against all the others, they would only leave their candidate's sign standing. Clearly this can't be the case with 2 candidates' signs remaining.

Only leaves one logical conclusion...

More desperation from the DLC shitheads :eyes:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:07 PM
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14. Gee, I wonder if the Republicans would be injecting themselves
into our primaries? Would Rove be above a little sabotauge? We've seen this before...
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:31 PM
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24. My thought too even though the rumors are Kerry
That's what Rove would do to split us.
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Nazgul35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:08 PM
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17. one problem with you assessment...
this was reported as going on in Iowa as well....

And Clark wasn't campaigning in Iowa....

remember when you point your finger at someone you have three pointing back at yourself.....
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:26 PM
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22. His name is Chris LeHane
You might recall he worked on Kerry's campaign before Clark's. Anyway, we don't do robo calling. Our grassroots volunteers are dialing their little fingers off for Clark. I don't do calls myself, because I hate getting them, but I write letters instead.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:53 PM
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3. Looks like the Kerry smear squad is hard at work again
as they were in Iowa. What can we expect from a candidate that belongs to the anti-Semitic cult Skull & Bones? If Lieberman were running second in NH we would he hearing about third party calls using anti-Semitic statements.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:01 PM
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12. Any proof?
Nah, just more of your smears. So what's your real motivation, IG?

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Indiana Democrat Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:07 PM
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15. The destruction of the Democratic Party...
...I think.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:41 PM
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28. Proof Like This, You Mean?
But two nights ago, Cornell College psychology professor Suzette Astley, a Dean volunteer in Lisbon, Iowa, received a phone call from a Kerry's Cedar Rapids headquarters — in which, she says, a Kerry volunteer had some less than kind things to say about Dean regarding his foreign policy experience, being from a largely white state, and so-called "environmental racism."

Since a documentary filmmaker was staying with Astley, the exchange, which has been confirmed by the Kerry campaign, was caught on videotape.


http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/ThisWeek/Kerry_Dean_calls_040117.html
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Indiana Democrat Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:08 PM
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16. "the anti-Semitic cult Skull & Bones"
Prove it!
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:54 PM
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4. Troubling, but not surprising
This kind of dirty stuff is not new, and I'll bet the voters of New Hampshire have seen it before.

It is a good response by the Dean campaign. It is fairly obvious which campaign is doing this, and I think the folks in NH will figure it out and vote accordingly.
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:54 PM
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5. this is the
exact kind of shit that went on in iowa, in addition to push polling done by kerry's camp.
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bain_sidhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:57 PM
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6. And who did that in Iowa?
Enquiring minds want to know! ;-)
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chocolateeater Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:58 PM
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7. Someone is putting the hit on Dean.
I wonder if any other candidate is getting this type of attention.
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:59 PM
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9. duh
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chocolateeater Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:08 PM
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18. Maybe I should Reregister as MrsObvious.
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 02:19 PM by Mflorence

:7
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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:33 PM
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25. And I love you 'cause you're a Dem
:P back at ya
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 01:59 PM
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10. Karen Hick's statement to the media...
Let me be very clear. The Dean campaign does not call
New Hampshire homes before 8:30 am or after 8:30 pm. Our
calls are made by respectful people, not droning machines.
Our callers tell the truth.


Karen Hick's statement to the media is absolutely consistent
with what she told the grass roots campaigners face-to-face
two weeks ago.

Tesha
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:01 PM
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13. Great response from the Dean campaign.
I would bet money that is was the Kerry campaign. Seems like he only knows dirty politics.
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SadEagle Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:19 PM
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19. Kick, as this is important
Troubling.
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buckeye1 Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:20 PM
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20. Looks like another excuse.
Dean will do poorly tuesday. Its never his fault.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:37 PM
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26. I have to laugh at some of these posts
Edited on Sun Jan-25-04 02:38 PM by LibertyChick
Accusations and smears with no proof. And Dean has run the dirtiest campaign around.

1. In June in San Fran, he publicly lied about Edwards' stance on the IWR and then immediately, privately tells the media it was false. Then he apologized to Edwards by letter. Cowardly.


2. In SC in July at the SC Debates, Dennis K. accuses Dean of stating that Dean has previously said (which is true) that he is in favor of raising the age of retirement. Dean says he never made such comments, then the media slams Dean the next day with his own quotations from 1995, and a few weeks prior on Meet the Press.

3. A month ago, Dean attributes Bob Kerrey's vote against aid to farmers in the midwest to John Kerry. After this is debunked in the media, Dean's campaign is still distributing large quantitites of pamphlets with the lies and false information.

How many other candidates have had to issue one apology for gaffes, misrepresentations, outright lies?

Whose campaign is sleazy? Physician, heal thyself.

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NewHampster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:42 PM
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29. Bull
I volunteer for Dean and I've never seen any slanderous pieces at all.

Dean speaking ill and making mistakes is at least coming from his mouth and he will not deny anything he says. Underhanded, dirty crap that Kerry disavows is the stuff of Rovian legends.

would it be a conflict for Karl to work for both Shrub and Kerry?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:44 PM
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30. I'd Say THIS Meets My Definition of Sleazy
http://www.tnr.com/blog/campaignjournal?pid=1242

maybe we just have different definitions.
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Duder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:53 PM
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31. Some things never change...
...
'On Sept. 18, 1972, the evening before the primary election during his second attempt for Congress, Kerry's brother Cameron and one Thomas Vallely, both part of his current campaign team, were arrested by Lowell police at 1:40 a.m. and charged with breaking and entering with the intent to commit larceny. The two were apprehended in the basement of a building whose door had been forced open, police said. It housed the headquarters of candidate DiFruscia. The Watergate scandal was making headlines at this time, and it was called the Lowell Watergate.

"They wanted to sever my telephone lines," DiFruscia said recently. Had those lines been cut, Kerry's opponent would not have been able to telephone supporters on Election Day to get out the vote and coordinate poll watchers, vital roles in a close election. "I do not know if they wanted to break into my office," says DiFruscia today. At the time he said, "All my IBM cards and the list of my voter identification in the greater Lowell area are in my headquarters."

Cameron and Vallely, along with David Thorne, who was Kerry's campaign manager at the time and has been close to him since they attended Yale together, did not deny the two entered the building in which they were captured. They said at the time they were in the cellar of the building to check their own telephone lines because they had received an anonymous call warning they would be cut.

This reporter heard an allegation that another congressional candidate placed the alleged anonymous call, which was denied. But if the Kerry campaign was concerned about someone breaking and entering to cut off its telephone service, why didn't they just call the police? Why break the law? And what does any of this say about Kerry's mind-set? Kerry campaign officials did not answer important Lowellgate questions.'
...
Lowellgate
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-04 02:56 PM
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32. Well it worked in Iowa. They need to renounce it on EVERY news station
so people know what kind of dirty politics are at play this time.
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