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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:13 PM
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Voinovich votes against cloture
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 05:13 PM by jmaier
No details on the totals yet but it is unlikely to pass. I haven't heard any Dem defections.
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:15 PM
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1. Has Hagel voted yet?
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:15 PM
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3. If he has then they didn't call it out.
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Todd B Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:17 PM
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4. IIRC, Hagel voted for it.
I believe I heard that Hagel voted for it along with Chafee (how, IIRC, had been rumoured to be against Bolton).
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:15 PM
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2. Salazar NO
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 05:16 PM by kansasblue
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:31 PM
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31. What's with Salazar?
He likes Alberto Gonzales, too.

How come so many Dems don't respect the Senate?

b_b

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:17 PM
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5. Pryor, Aye again!
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:18 PM
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6. Jeffords NO
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RUMPLEMINTZ Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:19 PM
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7. It doesn't matter
because shrub is going to give him a recess appointment next week anyway.
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:21 PM
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10. It's a political defeat if he has
to resort to a recess appointment.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:22 PM
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12. It matters.
What Bush does is on him.

What the Senate does is on THEM.

Bush isn't running again.
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Todd B Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:26 PM
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24. I respectfully disagree:
If Bush appoints him as a recess appointment, wouldn't his credibility be damaged because he doesn't have approval of the Congress?

Granted Bush could care less about it, but in the rest of the world I'd imagine he'd be damaged goods.

I think it would be a victory against evil if the cloture vote fails, but that is just me.
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RUMPLEMINTZ Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 06:27 PM
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61. Yeah, but * could say that
Bolton does have the Senate's approval by a 54-38 vote. You know he'll twist it and make it sound like with that much approval it's the democrats obstruction thats keeping him out. I wouldn't put anything past *
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NJ Democrats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:20 PM
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8. Dayton No!
Shumer (D-Ny) no
Gregg aye
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:20 PM
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9. more
We just gained George Voinovich, who favored cloture last time.

We also kept Senator Joseph Lieberman whom the White House was furiously courting.

The White House is losing more ground than expected.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/
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NJ Democrats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:22 PM
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14. I
thanked god when Lieberman said no.
Clinton votes no.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:22 PM
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15. Thanks Joementum
if Bolton freaks out even him, there's something REALLY wrong.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:21 PM
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11. That poor guy
he's not quite sure what to think here.

Good for him. I think he's out of "get it over with" mode.
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:22 PM
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13. Damn Hagel!
Aye
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:23 PM
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16. Landrieu, "AYE?!?"
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NJ Democrats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:24 PM
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20. Really?
Damn.
At least we kept Lieberman.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:28 PM
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28. I thought I heard that too?!?!
WTF is her problem?
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NJ Democrats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:33 PM
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34. Don't know
She is the biggest Dino. At least some of the others (Biden, Lieberman) voted no.
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:24 PM
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17. Nelson - Nebraska, Landrieu Louisaina both aye
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals:
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:27 PM
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26. Nelson of NE, Landrieu, Pryor all voted Aye last Bolton cloture vote.
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 05:28 PM by flpoljunkie
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:24 PM
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Nelson of Nebraska Aye
one of the filibuster savers
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jmaier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:24 PM
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18. Landrieu wimps out and votes Aye
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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:25 PM
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21. Does she ever vote with the Dems?
What's the point of her even calling herself a Dem. Hell, even Joementum (Biden and Lieberman) voted no. Embarrasing.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:25 PM
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22. Again
:-(
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:24 PM
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19. Snowe "aye."
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:26 PM
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25. I expected that. (nt)
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:26 PM
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23. Feinstein & Akaka no
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:28 PM
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27. Voinovich
could have snuffed this nomination out by voting No in committee.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:29 PM
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30. But I salute him for the courage to vote NO on cloture this time.
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 05:32 PM by flpoljunkie
He voted for cloture on May 26th.
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:29 PM
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29. Specter was unknown....now Aye
"Arlen Specter voted for cloture, which is an unknown from last time.

Senator Feinstein remained opposed to cloture. She, along with Senator Lieberman, was among those the White House hoped to sway -- but failed."

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:31 PM
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32. Why is this taking so long? Hasn't everyone voted by now?
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:33 PM
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36. Somebody trying to do some arm twisting?? (nt)
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NJ Democrats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:35 PM
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37. no,
not every one has voted. Frist just voted, aye of course.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:36 PM
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41. It's been open (the vote) for over 30 minutes, how long do these
bozos have to cast a vote, per Senate rules?
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Chichiri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:32 PM
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33. What is the significance of this vote, now?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:33 PM
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35. Inouye vote yet? He was absent last time.
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NJ Democrats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:36 PM
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39. Not sure
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:36 PM
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38. Frist Aye
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Chichiri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:36 PM
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40. Is there a tally?
:wtf:
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:39 PM
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44. Is there a reason why CSPAN doesnt show a running tally for the sennate?
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:42 PM
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48. I wondered the same thing - jeez, why can't they scroll the names ?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:38 PM
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42. I wonder if he will switch his vote again at the end
If he doesn't and they lose, it will mean either that they have given up (yeah, right) or that they will go for the recess.
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hopein08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:52 PM
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51. Did he switch at the end?
Can he call for another vote if he doesn't switch?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:59 PM
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54. I don't know if he can call for another vote
But I don't think he switched.
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NJ Democrats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:38 PM
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43. Its over!
Aye: 55
No: 38
Not agreed to!!!
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:40 PM
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45. What happened to the other 7 votes?
If they got those then it would have been a done deal.

Now they drop Bolton, no?
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:44 PM
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49. It may be the Insult of Insults but Condi Rice mentioned that if
they didn't get their way in the Senate, her husband, oops! Dubya would just wait and make a RECESS APPOINTMENT.

You must know that Our Dear Leader, being chosen by God and all, must always, I mean ALWAYS get his way. :puke:
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:40 PM
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46. God Bless America! Yosemite Sam Bolton is still on hold :-) n/t
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:41 PM
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47. 54-38 means 8 Senators chose not to vote. Very interesting!
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 05:45 PM by flpoljunkie
Who chose not to vote and why? Gloria Borger reported tonight on CBS Evening News that one of the names leaked tonight that Democrats think is on the list of those Bolton was spying on was Colin Powell!

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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:48 PM
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50. Sure Glad You Guys Were Keeping Up With This
I saw the beginning of the vote and when Hagel & Collins voted Aye I got a sinking feeling.

Then my neighbor had an emergency, she fell and I didn't get to finish it!

Is it all over, or is more to come??
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 06:08 PM
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57. Frist voted Aye this time, so bringing it back up would be problematic.
A very interesting note tonight from CBS's Gloria Borger who said that it was leaked tonight that the Democrats think Colin Powell is on the list of those Bolton was spying on--the same list that the Bush White House will not give the Democrats on the committee.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 06:15 PM
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58. WOW...If It Is Powell... Do You Think
he'll SING??? That is if they EVER get the names!!!!

Boy what a COUP that would be!!!

I've said since forever that HE holds the key, but has been too chicken to leave the RANCH!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 06:19 PM
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59. They will not release the info sought, certainly not now, so Powell safe
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 06:19 PM by flpoljunkie
Powell is the ultimate "company" man--good soldier and all.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 06:48 PM
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63. Yeah, But What An Ace In The Hole...
If he was a TRUE Hero!! Isn't that what the military is supposed to stand for. DEMOCRACY and FREEDOM for Amerika???

He has lost his way. I've lost all respect for him! I wonder of his wife will ever be able to get through to him about "telling the real truth"! After all she is a Democrat!
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 06:56 PM
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64. They needed 60 votes.
Senators not voting in effect are voting NO.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:54 PM
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52. I didn't catch a vote for Byrd ... did I miss it or
was he one that didn't vote?
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 06:06 PM
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56. He voted no
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 05:55 PM
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53. So now we can expect a recess appointment on July 4th
recess ... I heard that puts him there for 18 months. Is that true? If so I guess it will be plenty of time to get UN backing of sorts to invade Iran. I can hear the war drums and they're putting it all in place. Isn't there any way to stop this insanity?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 06:02 PM
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55. Today's vote was a victory!!!

DRIP>DRIP>DRIP
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 06:20 PM
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60. Yep, till the next congress is seated (Jan. 07)
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 06:29 PM
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62. Anyone has the list of Bolton vote?
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 07:20 PM
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65. Here's the link
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 07:27 PM
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66. Kerry didn`t vote ?
and those 2 dems nelson and pryor nay ?

Why wouldn`t Kerry vote ?
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 07:52 PM
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67. sometimes they pair up with a gop who will vote the other way if one
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 07:53 PM by Pepperbelly
or the other has a very valid reason for not being there ... like when Bill had surgery and Hillary stayed with him, if there were votes, she would've have paired with a gop who would vote opposite and both of them would not vote. It keeps the margins the same. If the votes matter and the one vote or the other will make a difference, they won't pair. Otherwise, it's common decency.

on edit, there were 5 Democrats who did not vote and three gops. If all had showed, it would not have affected the outcome whatsoever.
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