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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:21 PM
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Repub Walter Jones (Mr. "Freedom Fries") will co-sponsor DSM legislation
I would have posted this in LBN except for the fact that I can't find an actual article. According to the caption on this Yahoo Photo U.S. Representative Walter Jones (R-NC) (Mr. "Freedom Fries") will co-sponsor legislation calling for the truth regarding the Downing Street Memo.
Has anyone heard anything about this? Does anyone have a link to a reputable source? It seems strange that the only mention I can find is in a photo caption.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:24 PM
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1. It's news to me...
Edited on Wed Jun-15-05 10:24 PM by ClassWarrior
...and if it's true, it's no surprise that it's being kept quiet.

Nice catch! Thanks.

NGU.


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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:26 PM
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2. Only one word can describe that move from him...
...Whore!
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:26 PM
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4. Why would you say that?
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Idioteque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 01:15 AM
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26. That's ridiculous!
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 01:31 AM by Idioteque
He is in a very conservative distict in North Carolina. Working with the Democrats won't make him more popular.

Many young men and women in his district died in Iraq. He has attended several funerals and written more condolence letters than almsot any other Congressman. I honsestly think he has had a change of heart on the war. Good for him!
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:26 PM
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3. i'd read he was cosigning on Iraq withdrawal with Kucinich
i wonder if that is a typo?

hope not!
dp
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:32 PM
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7. Well, if it's true that he's cosigning on Iraq withdrawal
then it's not hard to believe that he would also do this.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:46 PM
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11. Here's a link to his statement on Iraq
http://jones.house.gov/html/content.cfm?id=401

In recent days there has been considerable press coverage on my position on America’s presence in Iraq. Despite what some media accounts have said, I want to make it crystal clear that I am NOT in favor of any immediate withdrawal nor do I support setting an end date at which time all troops must be out of Iraq.

What I do support is a public discussion of our goals and the future of our military involvement in that country. The non-binding resolution I am co-sponsoring will do no more than call on the President to set a plan and a date to begin reducing the number of troops we have in Iraq. It does not in any way, shape or form set a date certain for withdrawal. This approach should give the President the flexibility he needs to reduce our presence in a way that protects U.S. troops and allows Iraqis to pick up the fight. No one is talking about “cutting and running.”
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:01 PM
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13. i went to look for the thread
i think it was about the Woolsey (sp?) bill. He had signed on.

can't find it now.

dp
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:28 PM
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5. The photo is all that has been posted thus far...at least that I can find.
It's front page at www.rawstory.com, but is only a link to the photo.

I found more photos on Yahoo! of the Gold Star families mtg with Jones and rated them all a 5. Still waiting for the press release or official word as far as I can tell. I'm hesitant to celebrate until I see it from Jones' office.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:30 PM
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6. It's too late tonight but maybe tomorrow
some DUer from Jones' NC district could call his office and ask.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:34 PM
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8. This make me cry.
Seriously.

I want to go and hold his hand and tell him what a wonderful act of patriotism this is (if, it is indeed true and all indications of his actions in the past two months lead me to believe it is).

It makes we want to cry with joy.

What a wonderful day when someone admits a mistake and moves to correct it! :bounce:
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BayouBengal07 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:37 PM
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9. wow look
he has a peace button on and everything. good for him.

wonder what the freepers think.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:44 PM
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10. Wow, nice catch.
I didn't spot that the first time.

NGU.


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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 10:53 PM
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12. There's some kind of writing on the button
so it's possible that it's some kind of "peace through victory" or "peace through strength" button or something rather than a standard peace button. I tried to enlarge the picture to see if I could read the button. Unfortunately the resolution is too low. It would also be interesting to know what it says on that paper he's carrying but that's also illegible.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:14 PM
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14. Go Walter Jones!
At least one conservative has raised their voice in opposition to what is wrong.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:00 AM
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29. "at least one conservative has raised their voice in opposition"???
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 08:15 AM by LynnTheDem
The rightwingnut bullshit that "only libruls oppose bush's war";

USATODAY.com - Poll: Bush hasn't made case for Iraq war

More than two-thirds of Americans believe the Bush administration has failed to make its case that a war against Iraq is justified
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-12-17-iraq-poll_x.htm

Poll: Support For a War With Iraq Weakens Among Americans

Seven in 10 Americans would give U.N. weapons inspectors months more to pursue their arms search in Iraq, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll that found growing doubts about an attack on Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.
http://middleeastinfo.org/article1795.html

Dick Cheney in April 1991, then Defense Secretary:

If you're going to go in and try to topple Saddam Hussein,you have to go to Baghdad. Once you've got Baghdad, it's not clear what you do with it. It's not clear what kind of government you would put in place of the one that's currently there now. Is it going to be a Shia regime, a Sunni regime or a Kurdish regime? Or one that tilts toward the Baathists, or one that tilts toward the Islamic fundamentalists?

How much credibility is that government going to have if it's set up by the United States military when it's there? How long does the United States military have to stay to protect the people that sign on for that government, and what happens to it once we leave?
http://slate.msn.com/?id=2072479

President GHW Bush, 1998;

"Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."
http://www.rense.com/general43/quote.htm

Brent Scowcroft, one of the Republican Party’s most respected foreign policy advisors, and national security adviser under President Gerald Ford and George H.W. Bush:

Don't Attack Saddam It would undermine our antiterror efforts. "Our pre-eminent security priority--underscored repeatedly by the president--is the war on terrorism. An attack on Iraq at this time would seriously jeopardize, if not destroy, the global counterterrorist campaign we have undertaken."
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002133

Norman Schwarzkopf - Four Star General:

"The general who commanded U.S. forces in the 1991 Gulf War says he hasn't seen enough evidence to convince him that his old comrades Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and Paul Wolfowitz are correct in moving toward a new war now. He thinks U.N. inspections are still the proper course to follow. He's worried about the cockiness of the U.S. war plan, and even more by the potential human and financial costs of occupying Iraq….(And don't get him started on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld)"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52450-2003Jan27?language=printer

Col. David Hackworth (RIP), America's most highly decorated soldier:

"Should the president decide to stay the war course, hopefully at least a few of our serving top-uniformed leaders - those who are now covertly leaking that war with Iraq will be an unparalleled disaster - will do what many Vietnam-era generals wish they would have done: stand tall and publicly tell the America people the truth about another bad war that could well lead to another died-in-vain black wall. Or even worse."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29786

James Webb, former Sec. of Navy under Ronald Reagan, Decorated Marine Veteran:

"Do we really want to occupy Iraq for the next 30 years? …In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets…. Nations such as China can only view the prospect of an American military consumed for the next generation by the turmoil of the Middle East as a glorious windfall."
http://www.sftt.org/article09302002a.html

Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former Head of Central Command for U.S.:

"It's pretty interesting that all the generals see it the same way, and all the others who have never fired a shot, and are hot to go to war, see it another…We are about to do something that will ignite a fuse in this region that we will rue the day we ever started."

Hawks in the Bush administration may be making deadly miscalculations on Iraq, says Gen. Anthony Zinni, Bush's Middle East envoy.

"I'm not sure which planet they live on"
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/10/17/zinni

Republican Dissent on Iraq
Full page ad in Wall Street Journal by major GOP contributors:


"Mr. President, …The candidate we supported in 2000 promised a more humble nation in our dealings with the world. We gave him our votes and our campaign contributions. That candidate was you. We feel betrayed. We want our money back. We want our country back…. A Billion Bitter enemies will rise out of this war."
- Wall Street Journal, January 13, 2003
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/001444.html

Republicans Who Voted Against Iraq Resolution Tell Why
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/11/194543.shtml

TOP REPUBLICANS BREAK WITH BUSH ON IRAQ STRATEGY

Leading Republicans from Congress, the State Department and past administrations have begun to break ranks with President Bush over his administration's high-profile planning for war with Iraq, saying the administration has neither adequately prepared for military action nor made the case that it is needed.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/11/194543.shtml

Retired general William Odom, former head of the National Security Agency:

"Right now, the course we're on, we're achieving Bin Laden's ends…. I've never seen it so bad between the office of the secretary of defense and the military. There's a significant majority believing this is a disaster. The two parties whose interests have been advanced have been the Iranians and al-Qaeda. Bin Laden could argue with some cogency that our going into Iraq was the equivalent of the Germans in Stalingrad. They defeated themselves by pouring more in there. Tragic."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

Retired General Joseph Hoare, the former marine commandant and head of US Central Command:

"The idea that this is going to go the way these guys planned is ludicrous. There are no good options. We're conducting a campaign as though it were being conducted in Iowa, no sense of the realities on the ground. It's so unrealistic for anyone who knows that part of the world. The priorities are just all wrong."
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

Col. Mike Turner (ret), Schwarzkopf's personal briefing officer during Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm:

“The uniformed Joint Staff in the Pentagon strongly opposed this plan early on...The uniformed Joint Staff was overridden, yet in so many horrifying ways this operation resembles Somalia, not Desert Storm...Perhaps we can pull this off, but here's a far worse scenario that's at least as likely...Photos of American soldiers amid landscapes of Iraqi civilian bodies blanket the world press which aligns unanimously against the US. The US is condemned by NATO and the UN...The war ends within a few weeks, but the crisis deepens...”
http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/transcripts/2003/mar/030311.turner.html

US Air Force General, Tony McPeak, a four-star general who headed the U.S. Air Force during Operation Desert Storm:

McPeak served four years on the Joint Chiefs of Staff advising Bush’s father and then President Clinton after flying 269 Vietnam combat missions and participating in the Thunderbirds, the elite aerobatic team.

McPeak believes that President Bush should publicly admit personal failure. He claims Bush has botched the crucial process of coalition-building, has not enlisted the United Nations, and has failed to rebuild Afghanistan as a model of reconstruction.
http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=57303%3Ehttp://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=57303%20

Retired Envoys, Commanders Assail Bush Team
Administration Unable to Handle 'Global Leadership,' 27-Member Group Asserts

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46538-2004Jun16.html

Growing GOP Dissent On Iraq
Republican Party ranks are beginning to break and the White House is worried. Longtime GOP critics on Iraq are growing progressively more vocal in their condemnation.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/07/politics/main610787.shtml

Republican Rep. Doug Bereuter: War in Iraq not justified

"I've reached the conclusion, retrospectively, now that the inadequate intelligence and faulty conclusions are being revealed, that all things being considered, it was a mistake to launch that military action. That's especially true in view of the fact that the attack was initiated "without a broad and engaged international coalition," the 1st District congressman said.

"Knowing now what I know about the reliance on the tenuous or insufficiently corroborated intelligence used to conclude that Saddam maintained a substantial WMD (weapons of mass destruction) arsenal, I believe that launching the pre-emptive military action was not justified."

As a result of the war, he said, "our country's reputation around the world has never been lower and our alliances are weakened."

"Left unresolved for now is whether intelligence was intentionally misconstrued to justify military action," he said.

Republican Rep. Doug Bereuter is a senior member of the House International Relations Committee and vice chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2004/08/18/top_story/10053833.txt

Republican senator Chuck Hagel, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee;

"No, I don't think we're winning," Hagel told a CBS interviewer. "We're in trouble, we're in deep trouble in Iraq."
http://www.iht.com/articles/539563.htm

Republican senator Richard Lugar, Foreign Relations Committee chairman, was asked on ABC why only $1 billion of the $18 billion appropriated last year for Iraqi reconstruction had been spent.

"Well, this is the incompetence in the administration," he replied.
http://www.iht.com/articles/539563.htm

And then there's US Rep. Ron Paul(R) and a slew of others all with (R) behind their names and I really need to add them all to my list. Not that rightwingnuts will comprehend; they'll continue the lie of "only you libruls".

Rightwingnuts; stupidest MFers on the planet.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:58 AM
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30. Walter Jones is just alright with me
In the spirit of bipartisanship, SH
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:18 PM
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15. Write this man in support
http://jones.house.gov/html/contact_form_email.cfm

You'll need a 3rd District zip code. Use 28523
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:23 PM
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16. Whoa, slow down a little.
All we have is a caption on a photo with no other confirmation. Let's not bombard the guy with supportive e-mails till we know for sure that it's not some kind of captioning error. That would just add more ammo to the "crazy DUers" claims.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:25 PM
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17. Support him for his move to find out more about the Iraqi War
You don't have to write specifically to the DSM.

I know he's trying to find out more about the Iraqi War. There have been numerous articles about that. I know he's said - on live television - that Bush lied to us.

What more do you need to support him? Google him, if you don't believe me!
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:36 PM
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20. see post #19
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:29 PM
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18. Here's a link
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/special_packages/iraq/11904183.htm

Rep. Jones co-sponsors resolution on Iraq withdrawal

Associated Press

RALEIGH, N.C. - U.S. Rep. Walter Jones co-sponsored a nonbinding resolution Wednesday that he said allows President Bush to plan for reducing the number of U.S. troops in Iraq.

The Republican congressman said the resolution does not set a firm date for withdrawal, but instead allows the president to make plans for that eventuality.

"This approach would given the president the flexibility he needs to reduce our presence in a way that protects U.S. troops and allows Iraqis to pick up the fight," Jones said in a news release. "No one is talking about 'cutting and running.'"

Jones, the congressman who coined the term "freedom fries" as a show of support for the war in Iraq, had said Sunday on ABC-TV's "This Week" that the reason for invading Iraq - weapons of mass destruction - has proved false.

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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:40 PM
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21. That's not really new,
my link to his statement confirmed that particular resolution. We're talking about different legislation from that. We're talking about whether or not it's true that he's co-sponsoring legislation calling for the truth regarding the Downing Street Memo. The only source we have so far is a picture caption.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:43 PM
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23. And I said to write in support of him outside of the DSM
It may not be accurate (but Reuters usually is), however, the more we write to him in support of his efforts on behalf of QUESTIONING the Iraqi War, the more he may REALLY be in support of this resolution.

Get it?
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:47 PM
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24. I think the picture caption probably has it confused
This story:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/politics/11902915.htm

I think shows how the confusion might have occurred.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:41 PM
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22. More:
"I just feel that the reason of going in for weapons of mass destruction, the ability of the Iraqis to make a nuclear weapon, that's all been proven that it was never there."

He said his change of heart about the war came after he attended the funeral of a US sergeant killed in Nasiriya, Iraq, in April 2003. Mr Jones said he was moved by the soldier's widow who read out her husband's last letter.

"And that really has been on my mind and my heart ever since," he said.

Mr Jones, who represents North Carolina, has written condolences letters to the families of more than 1,300 servicemen killed in Iraq, and photographs of those killed in action are posted outside his congressional office.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4086380.stm

I really, really am bowled over by him. It only takes honesty to do that to me (yeah, I'd be a push-over on dates, wouldn't I? :rofl: )
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:33 PM
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19. BBJ started a nice long thread about this earlier
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1551918

Jones (bless his heart) is actually one of two Republicans co-sponsoring legislation calling for a withdrawal of troops. He supports the investigation surrounding the DSM but his bill doesn't cover it.

News Release:
http://jones.house.gov/html/release.cfm?id=313

News coverage:
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=Walter+Jones&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d

More info in the thread.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 11:56 PM
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25. Yes, but
I can't find anything in your links or that other thread about him co-sponsoring anything to do with DSM. There are two different pieces of legislation being discussed here. He is definitely involved with the one asking for a time-table for Iraq (not actually "calling for a withdrawal"). The question is, is he also involved in the DSM resolution or is that a Yahoo error?
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:15 AM
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27. It is indeed a Yahoo error. I suspect the photographer wrote
the cutline. Got the pic but not the story.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:55 AM
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28. Rep Jones is now one of the most anti-Iraq war individuals on the Hill.
No surprise that he's co-sponsoring DSM legislation. Good for him. Perhaps some of the blood he's stained with will be washed away.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:08 AM
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31. Very nice!
I'm glad more Republicans are starting to speak out against the war. I think Paul, Jones, Duncan, etc. should be the ones filing impeachment charges against the Bush Administration.
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:30 AM
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32. Jones had already repented of the "freedom fries" silliness
This year, Jones concluded that we had gone to war "with no justification". He said of the freedom fries incident, "I wish it had never happened." http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/2408783p-8786693c.html

I'm with those who welcome his change of heart. He's still a conservative Republican, and he'll probably continue to promote his bill that would allow ministers to endorse candidates from the pulpit without losing the church's tax exemption. So we won't agree with him on everything, or even many things. That's no reason we can't work together where we do agree.
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