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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:43 PM
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Can Congress Be Impeached?
for not doing their duty and protecting the citizens, especially from an over reaching executive branch? Is there anything in the Constitution about the ability to impeach Congress for not properly doing its job? I have googled but can only find impeachment as it relates to *ush. If there is, how would this happen and by who?
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Mitt Chovick Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:43 PM
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1. No. But we have elections every two years.
So that's when you can get rid of them.
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:48 PM
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As if we can trust elections....n/t
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Mitt Chovick Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-15-05 12:37 PM
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15. I forgot. Might as well not vote anymore then
(n/t)
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:48 PM
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2. Article 1, Section 5, Clause 1...
states, essentially, that each House is responsible for investigating itself. So, yes, congressmen can be removed... but only by their fellow congressmen.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:59 PM
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5. Thanks
That's something. I was in a discussion about this and someone said, but wasn't sure, that there are remedies in the Constitution for when Congress is derelict in it's duty of protecting the citizens, especially from the executive, but none of us could pinpoint it. We were talking primarily about Congress, as a body, being held accountable through law, for while there is the electoral process we all recognize that the fix is in for incumbents and if that doesn't do the trick, rigged voting will.
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:49 PM
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3. Diarchies exist: two Congresses for the US
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 02:53 PM by oscar111
Perhaps instead of impeaching, just have another congress side by side? Just joking.

my friend down south in louisiana said that state once had two governors sworn in, two state legislatures and two state militias.

think it was during Reconstructioin and all agree both governor candidates stole the election. So both were sworn in.

the technical term is Diarchy.
A political unit with two governments at one time. i dont know of other cases, but i have heard that they have happened.

britain haas 'shadow governments" IIRC. A different thing, just as if the dems had an official shadow Secretary of Labor right now, for example... to critize the bush SOL.
a good idea.

perhaps a shadow senator for places burdened with a GOP senator. As a regular critic for local media to interview each time the GOP senator votes to dismantle the middle class.
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 02:54 PM
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4. they can be recalled dependent on the laws in the state from which they
preside. It is interesting how states make their own rules and relegations concerning the particulars of their state's delegation to the federal legislature.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:01 PM
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6. Well, also according to the Constitution...
The several states have the right to regulate the process by which their representatives are elected. So this could go either way.
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:04 PM
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7. Congressmen, elected, have been refused a seat by congress
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 03:10 PM by oscar111
at least, at the state level i have read.

very un-democracy behaviour, IMHO.

You elect a guy/gal, and the state legislature doesnt like him/her, so the legislature just says "we will not let him take his seat among us".

results have been, your area must then hold a new election.

Those little-known laws are really something. Highly un-demmocracy.

just like the Electoral College. Un-democracy.

another little known law in the Brit Empire, allowed the Queen now in power, Eliz, to fire the elected LW premier of Australia.

They had neew elections and a RW guy got in. Remembr that next time you see her on tv and the tv host fawns all over her with huge adoration. She is actively RW.

When you leave monarchs in place, even as "figureheads only", watch out. End all monarchies.. is the only safe course. Let them get callouses at the Bakery, mixing dough for ... you guessed it...

Cake. LOL.

apologies to Marie Antoinette.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:10 PM
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8. Of course she is. So are 99% of royals.
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 03:12 PM by SteppingRazor
Conservativism is, after all, all about maintaining the status quo for those who've already got their's.

Wonderful how they still do their duties in spite of it, though. The king or queen must, by tradition, read the Prime Minister's agenda before Parliament. It's always amazing to watch a hardcore rightwinger list off a bunch of liberal goals that "we" want to accomplish without batting an eyelash. Gotta love tradition.
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:13 PM
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9. thanks. Did king do that when the '45 gov
Edited on Tue Jun-14-05 03:15 PM by oscar111
of Labour got in?
and nationalized over nine key industries?

banks, airlines, rail, trucking, electric, gas, coal, steel, phones
Not sure just when health was nationalized

ps thanks for the post . i didnt know all that.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:43 PM
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11. Yeah, I think you may be talking about the most famous instance of it -
The king walked up to the front of Parliament and made a speech along the lines of, "We intend to nationalize industry.." etc., etc." All without ever even blinking. You can just imagine how much he was screaming inside. :)

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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:27 PM
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10. Another Question
Can the Senate sanction the House or vice versa, in any way?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 03:44 PM
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12. Don't think so.
The Constitution specifically states that each House is responsible for itself (again, Article 1, Section 5, Clause 1)
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blondie333 Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 04:39 PM
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13. Propose an amendment.
When the Constitution was written many years ago, our founding fathers hadn't envisioned a Congress that we have today. One bought and paid for by lobbyists. Congress needs an overhaul. Lets do away with the provision that Congress polices itself. We all know that policy isn't effective. If it was The Hammer would be back home in Texas.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 11:14 PM
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14. Congress people can be recalled by their constituents...
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