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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:45 PM
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OK......Do you feel the tide turning ??
Is Bush and the Repubs on the defensive or are the Democrats about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? Do you feel like Dr. Dean's comments have given our Party a small shot of adrenaline? Are you beginning to feel like we might actually have a chance of taking back the House next November? Or does your gut tell you something else? :)
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sweetladybug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:49 PM
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1. My gut tells me that we are 'pissing in the wind" because the Republicans
own the voting machines and the news media!!!!!
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:51 PM
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2. Can't we work on outlawing the voting machines
and becoming our own media? There are ways, aren't there?
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:52 PM
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3. No.
We are going to have a difficult time breaking even in the 2006 midterm elections. An opportunity presents itself in 2008, but that is a long way off.

In the meantime, it is trench warfare.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:52 PM
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4. Rude shock for me
I just came back from the Democratic Party of Wisconsin Convention. The energy level there was incredible. Look who we had there:

Dave Obey the fiesty Congressman from the 7th District and real working class hero....

Russ Feingold, the backbone of the US Senate....

We passed a resolution calling for impeachment of Bush, Cheney and Rummy....

We passed tons of resolutions on labor, woman's rights workers rights and on and on and on....

Then I come back and find out most state newspapers just gave us brief mentions....if any...and most of the stories were either inaccurate or, like the one from the Oshkosh Northwestern "balanced" with Republican rebuttals....

We've still got a lot of work to do...but there is reason to be optomistic....

Howard Dean is one good reason
The energy of the Democrats coming to Dean's defense is another
The energy and pure, raw GUTS of the members of the Wisconsin Party is another.

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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:53 PM
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5. Yep...it is beginning...
Edited on Sun Jun-12-05 08:53 PM by slor
however, no Dem should rest on their laurels. Push a populist platform, talk about rethug corruption, and push for a smart energy policy, and we will sweep the elections. Of course, this is barring any election theft.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:54 PM
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6. The GOP just rammed through two or three of the worst possible
judges ever to Federal Appeals Court.

If the tide is turning, it's gonna be quite some time before it reaches shore.
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CarolNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:55 PM
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7. I don't know
I'm so leery whenever I start to feel that people might be waking up. I felt the tide was turning a number of times before the election in November only to be crushed by the result...even if it wasn't legit.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:56 PM
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8. I certainly like playing offense instead of defense
The Doc's just telling the truth...I don't
know why everyone has such a hard time with it.
:-)
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 08:59 PM
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9. Talking points
*Bush conservative supporters have join with ACLU over Patriot Act
*Information gushing out of London on the push to war in Iraq
*Millions missing (215 million, 4.5 million, 10-13 million) BWC in Ohio
*Rep from Toledo, OH is asking for investigation of election fraud
*White House press corps still pissed after locked in during evacuation
*MSM is reporting the NEWS****what a shock
*Bush is receiving below 50% approval in the polls consistently

I'd say we have reached the tipping point
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:06 PM
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10. Tide Schmide
It may be that public opinion is turning around. Or not. I dont know anything anymore, except this:
They own the media. They own the courts. They own the voting machines.
Me? I'm so busy trying to keep free of the bill collectors, and attempting (not very well) to feed myself, and I cant get to work becaudse my car stopped running,and I think I might have broken my foot, but I cant afford a doctor, and even if I could , I couldnt get there because my car dosnt run. and I dont think I'm the only one living like this.
So I could stop worrying about my own survival long enough to worry about my country if it would do any good, but fuck, they own the media. They own the courts. They own the voting machines.

Under these conditions public opinion hardly matters, does it?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:24 PM
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12. YES I do feel it is turning
but it does not matter who votes, but who counts the votes
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La Coliniere Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:26 PM
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13. I try to be optimistic ..
and I look for any indication to be hopeful. In reality I know that it's going to take some time for the tide to turn.
"Please sir, oh please may I have just a small crumb of optimism?"


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Vadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:29 PM
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14. I do feel the tide is turning and the sooner the better!!!!!........n/t
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:34 PM
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15. No. But I am inspired by how Kerry and Boxer and Kennedy have been voting.
Some of our Dems have been standing up to the Bastids.And Kerry has been proving why he should have been president!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:39 PM
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16. Even before Dean spoke up...
.... the tide was turning. Political polls and economic polls and stats all confirm it.

The country is off course and people know it. Approval of the Iraq war is way below 50%. Bush**'s own approval ratings are in the low 40s. The percentage of folks who think the economy is doing well is dropping in number pretty sharply in recent months.

I think that Dean is doing the right thing by putting the Republicans on the defensive. I don't think he can single-handedly save the party, but I'm downright sure that nobody else in the Dem party seems to be able to break out of the moribund mood and tired tactics that have gotten us nowhere for many years.

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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:44 PM
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17. Yes, the tide is turning.
These dark times can't last forever. I think they might be coming to an end soon.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 09:57 PM
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18. Your post made me think of my favorite
childhood book "The little engine that could". The little engine went up the big mountain and said "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can". And he made it all the way up the hill!!! I know how cynical we all are, put lets try a little positive thinking with our reality check.
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 10:02 PM
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19. The tide will turn when we git rid of the voting machines. n/t
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 10:14 PM
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20. i agree with dave502d! as long as we have those voting black
box machines, we have no democracy - why vote? it won't get counted.
jomama.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 10:17 PM
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21. No
I still haven't seen Smirk lose on ANY of his anti-American initiatives. The voting machine makers and the media still work for him. Any 43% of the people are still ignorant to think he's doing a good job.

I see nothing positive here at all.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 10:30 PM
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22. No, not really
If Bush's approval ratings get down in the 30s, then something might happen. What Dean is doing is great, but I don't think it's making that much of a difference yet. I currently have no optimism for 2006.

I think I've had the "tide is turning" feelings a half dozen times over the last year and obviously I've been wrong every time. I think the biggest thing stopping that tide is the bogus media that we've got working overtime to prop up the criminals running this country.
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