An impeachment hearing would be great for us in '06

[Coexist]

because public discourse exposing the lies of top administration officials and distrust of the electorate for leadership of a party in general led to the election of Jimmy Carter.

People just wanted honesty and couldn't trust anything out of the mouths of Republicans who had praised Nixon for so long - who the people saw tied to a liar for so long.

The people seen to be fighting to expose lies and corruption are generally well thought of once the lies and corruption are exposed. Only revisionists like Liddy and Robertson would say otherwise!

[bunkerbuster1]

1. Yeah, it worked wonders for the Reeps in '98.

Ya think maybe we ought to concentrate on offering an intelligent alternative to the Theiving Asshat Party instead of banking on a wave of Chimpy hatred to carry the day?

[Writer]

2. bunkerbuster1 you ought to check out this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1826363

Apparently I'm now the cause of 1600 dead American soldiers. It's really quite enlightening...

[bunkerbuster1]

7. Saw yours after I posted in this thread.

You've taken some unjustified hits in there, although when you talk about "patience" in DU you might as well paint a target on your chest.

We are getting wayyyy ahead of ourselves here. We have mid-terms to win; that has to be the focus, not Chimpeachment, much as I'd love to see that happen before Bush's term ends.

[Writer]

11. A few good points were made before the bashing began...

I wasn't aware of the details of Downing Street, for instance. But yes, I think it would be better to capture 2006 then go after the Chimp, and hopefully many moderate Republicans will be with us. I think that was the difference between Nixon and Clinton - Nixon was a bipartisan effort while Clinton looked like Republican pettiness.

I knew many DU'ers would become hysterical by my post, which is why I really didn't engage them. I just kept tally of the puerile insults.

Writer :)

[meppie-meppie not]

12. how self pitying, no one said you were responsible for 1600 dead

What was said that enough talk already, start impeachment or better yet, put the entire bloody WH lot on trial for TREASON.

Misrepresenting our words does nobody any justice.

[Writer]

14. Refer to post #76

76. Writer dont be a fucking wuss!

When do you stand up for the god damn republic? Stop thinking politically and use your freakin conscience... We need to do the right thing for the good of the nation and not pull some political CYA!

Your train of thought has gotten us to where we are now. Weak thinking weak candidates, 1600 dead.

It is not pretty folks...



meppie, I read your posts, too, but I didn't bother responding. You were childish and insulting. You resorted to flaming to make your point. If this is how you think you must represent the Democratic Party, fine. But that is not my way.

A couple of other posters, at least, have seen your and others puerile behavior as what it is. I will not engage someone who does not know how to play well with others.

Writer.

[meppie-meppie not]

17. the poster was speaking in a collective term not personally to you

and as for the rest of your condescending falderal, c'est la vie. :-)

[Writer]

21. Yes, I know, which is why the poster used the collective pronoun "your"

especially when it's followed by "way of thinking."

Anyway, you just accused me of being condescending. I suppose, then, that your posts have been enlightened, well-researched and adult.

You know, posts like this:

54. maybe you enjoy the bent over position but I refuse.

The funny thing is, I'm a woman, which completely assuages the entire insult.

Oh well.

[meppie-meppie not]

22. I guess to feel very passionate about something is not adult...oh well

funny thing is that I'm a woman too and my post was in response to your bellicose post to

mine, #48: "It's time to have some convictions and stand on them or shut up about 2 parties and let the Nazi's roll in complete."

yours #49: BRING BACK CHE! BRING BACK CHE!

Not all women want it in the rear;)

[Writer]

23. Kindly now: you can be passionate without resorting to flame wars

I wish more empassioned DU'ers would understand that. Then I think the party truly would take off.

Yes, there is a better way to make a point. BTW: your post makes it look like I wrote #48. I did not write that.

And what's wrong with Che, anyway? I agree with you politically, my approach is merely different than yours.

[meppie-meppie not]

24. indeed

peace :-)

[Writer]

25. peace

:D

[Coexist]

3. disallusionment with the neo-cons is a good thing

people waking up to the greed and corruption there is a good thing.
When they stop looking at them like saintly Christians, maybe they will actually listen to what Democrats have to say.

[meppie-meppie not]

13. and that's all that Democrats ever have/do is words.

[AlinPA]

4. Yes, but how in the hell could it even get off the ground with rpigs in

control of the house?

[Coexist]

5. no one is saying it would work -

but a formal inquiry to bring the truth to light would be a step in the right direction.

[meppie-meppie not]

19. by people shouting long and hard about demanding a special council

or grand jury or justice. Crimes have been committed and they should be addressed. I think about the Yugoslavian election and those people didn't stand for the theft, they took to the streets. It seems to me in the decades since Vietnam that people have become complacent and lazy. We have to stop talking and pull a Gandhi, anything but what we have been doing since the election of 2000.

[AlinPA]

32. I hope we get to that point; I'd take to the streets. I did in the 60's.

[calimary]

31. I would not even fret over that one. Just don't.

Don't let it bog you down or short-circuit your efforts to do something!

PLEASE remember: Yes, the Dems controlled the House and Senate back in the Nixon era. BUT: NOTHING would have gotten off the ground to bring Nixon down if there weren't sufficient numbers of Republicans reading the writing on the wall, facing reality like adults, and realizing they had to put country over party. It was only when the Republicans in the House Judiciary Committee, and the Republicans in the Senate finally faced the music and bowed to reality that Nixon was beaten. It was two REPUBLICAN Senators, Barry Goldwater being one of them, who finally convinced Nixon he had to go. They told him flat-out that he had lost support - even within his own party. That his own couldn't find it in their hearts to stand behind him and make excuses for him and cover for him and spin for him ANYMORE. He NO LONGER HAD THE SUPPORT. THAT is why he resigned. Because they informed him in no uncertain terms that he would indeed and inevitably be impeached if he did not step down.

And for awhile, he did have support. MANY apologists running around squawking on his behalf. Some of 'em are still out there - look at Pat Buchanan, for heaven's sakes! He thinks the Deep Throat guy is the bad guy! And either they saw the tide turning SO undisputably that they knew it meant their own necks were on the chopping block if they didn't get with the program, or some of them may actually have realized that sometimes you DO need to put your country before the good and the interest of your political party. I think there were many in both those arenas. People like the retiring (THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) henry hyde, who actually came out recently and admitted that the impeachment of Clinton was payback for Nixon. "People" like him only deserted Nixon kicking and screaming, realizing it'd would bite them in the ass with the voters too if they didn't. People like him only did it for political expediency, not out of higher principles.

But, for WHATEVER reason, it got done then. And it can get done AGAIN, NOW.

[AlinPA]

33. Thanks for taking time to write that. I demonstrated in the 70's & I'm

ready now.

[whistle]

6. Well having the 9-11 hearings during the early part of 2004.....

...did zero for the democrats changes during the November elections. All of Bush's people just got up before the committee and lied. So voters became more polarized. Modern hearings and open investigations don't seem to be that effective.

Now for the Watergate investigations, things were different. It took from February 7, 1973 when the Senate Committee began until July 27-30, 1974 when actual articles of impeachment were adopted by the senate and then to August 9, 1974 for Nixon to resign. Here is a timeline background to Watergate:

May 28, 1972 Electronic surveillance ("bugging") equipment is installed at Democratic National Committee headquarters in the Watergate building.
June 17, 1972 Five men are arrested while attempting to repair the surveillance equipment at Democratic National Committee headquarters.
August 30, 1972 President Nixon announces that John Dean has completed an investigation into the Watergate buggings and that no one from the White House is involved.
January 8, 1973 Watergate break-in trial opens. Hunt pleads guilty (January 11); Barker, Sturgis, Martinez, and Gonzalez plead guilty (January 15); Liddy and McCord are convicted on all counts of break-in indictment (January 30).
February 7, 1973 U.S. Senate creates Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities.
April 17, 1973 President Nixon announces that members of the White House staff will appear before the Senate committee and promises major new developments in investigation and real progress toward finding truth.
April 23, 1973 White House issues statement denying President had prior knowledge of Watergate affair.
April 30, 1973 White House staff members H. R. Haldeman, John D. Ehrlichman, and John Dean resign.
May 17, 1973 Senate committee begins public hearings.
May 25, 1973 Archibald Cox sworn in as Special Prosecutor.
July 7, 1973 President Nixon informs Senate committee that he will not appear to testify nor grant access to presidential files.
July 16, 1973 Alexander Butterfield informs Senate committee of the presence of a White House taping system.
July 23, 1973 Senate Committee and Special Prosecutor Cox subpoena White House tapes and documents to investigate cover-up.
July 25, 1973 President Nixon refuses to comply with Cox subpoena.
August 9, 1973 Senate committee files suit against President Nixon for failure to comply with subpoena.
October 19, 1973 President Nixon offers a compromise on the tapes: Senator John Stennis (D-Miss.)--a man notoriously hard of hearing--would review tapes and present the Special Prosecutor with summaries.
October 20, 1973 Archibald Cox refuses to accept the Stennis compromise. President Nixon orders Attorney General Elliot Richardson to fire Cox, but Richardson refuses and resigns in protest. Acting Attorney General Robert Bork fires Cox. These events come to be known as the "Saturday Night Massacre."
October 23, 1973 President Nixon agrees to hand over tapes to comply with subpoena.
November 1, 1973 Leon Jaworski named Special Prosecutor.
November 21, 1973 Senate Committee announces discovery of 18½ minute gap on tape of Nixon-Haldeman conversation of June 20, 1972.
February 6, 1974 House of Representatives authorizes House Judiciary Committee to investigate whether grounds exist for impeachment of President Nixon.
April 16, 1974 Special Prosecutor issues subpoena for 64 White House tapes.
April 30, 1974 President Nixon submits tape transcripts to House Judiciary Committee.
July 24, 1974 Supreme Court unanimously upholds Special Prosecutor's subpoena for tapes for Watergate trial.
July 27-30, 1974 House Judiciary Committee adopts articles I, II, and III of impeachment resolution charging President with obstruction of investigation of Watergate break-in, misuse of powers and violation of his oath of office, and failure to comply with House subpoenas.
August 9, 1974 President Nixon resigns.
September 8, 1974 President Gerald Ford pardons Nixon.

If anything is to take effect, I would have to believe that actions should begin sooner, rather than later. DeLay is a decoy. Dick Cheney is the one who needs to be taken out because with Cheney in power, like Vice President Agnew under Nixon, the country gains nothing if Bush is taken out and gets Dick Cheney as president. take out Dick Cheney and the entire house of cards comes crashing down.

[Coexist]

8. You forgot a date in that timeline

1976 - Jimmy Carter elected President of the United States

I'm just saying that there is a backlash against a dishonest party.
Is that so hard to grasp?

[whistle]

16. Now compare the above timeline of events concerning Nixon....

...and Watergate to the herculean efforts launched by special investigators Kenneth Starr and later Robert Ray on the part of the GOP and neo-conservatives to get Bill Clinton:

<snip>
The Clinton Impeachment, a Basic Chronology--with links to some video on the affair
1995
June 1995: Monica Lewinsky, 21, comes to the White House as an unpaid intern in the office of Chief of Staff Leon Panetta.


November 1995: Lewinsky and President Bill Clinton begin a sexual relationship, according to audiotapes secretly recorded later by Linda Tripp.



December 1995: Lewinsky moves into a paid position in the Office of Legislative Affairs, handling letters from members of Congress. She frequently ferries mail to the Oval Office.



1996
April 1996: Then-Deputy White House Chief of Staff Evelyn Lieberman transfers Lewinsky to a job as an assistant to Pentagon spokesman Ken Bacon. Lieberman told The New York Times the move was due to "inappropriate and immature behavior" and inattention to work. At the Pentagon, Lewinsky meets Tripp, a career government worker.

Summer 1996: Lewinsky begins to tell fellow Pentagon employee Linda Tripp of her alleged relationship with Clinton.


1997

August 1997: Tripp encountered Kathleen Willey coming out of Oval Office "disheveled. Her face red and her lipstick was off." Willey later alleged that Clinton groped her. Clinton's lawyer, Bill Bennett said in the article that Linda Tripp is not to be believed.

Fall 1997: Tripp to begin taping conversations in which Lewinsky details her alleged affair with the president.

October 1997: Lewinsky interviews with U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Bill Richardson for a low level public affairs position.

October 1997: Tripp meets with Newsweek's Michael Isikoff, Lucianne & Jonah Goldberg at Jonah's apartment in Washington, according to a Newsweek report. The Goldberg's listen to a tape of Tripp/Lewinsky conversations.

December 1997: Lewinsky leaves the Pentagon.

Dec. 8: Betty Currie, Clinton's personal secretary, asks presidential pal Vernon Jordan to help Lewinsky find a job in New York.


Dec. 11: Lewinsky meets with Jordan and he refers her to several job leads.

Dec. 17: Lewinsky is subpoenaed by lawyers for Paula Jones, who is suing the president on sexual harassment charges.


Dec. 28: Lewinsky makes her final visit to the White House, according to White House logs, and was signed in by Currie. Lewinsky reportedly met privately with Clinton and he allegedly encouraged her to be "evasive" in her answers in the Jones' lawsuit.





1998
January 1998


Jan. 7, 1998: Lewinsky files an affidavit in the Jones case in which she denies ever having a sexual relationship with President Clinton.



Jan. 9: Tripp delivers the tapes to her lawyer, Jim Moody.


Jan. 12: Linda Tripp contacts the office of Whitewater Independent Counsel Ken Starr to talk about Lewinsky and the tapes she made of their conversations. The tapes allegedly have Lewinsky detailing an affair with Clinton and indicate that Clinton and Clinton friend Vernon Jordan told Lewinsky to lie about the alleged affair under oath.


Jan. 13, 1998: Tripp, wired by FBI agents working with Starr, meets with Lewinsky at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel bar in Pentagon City, Va., and records their conversation.



Jan. 14, 1998: Lewinsky gives Tripp a document headed "Points to make in an affidavit," coaching Tripp on what to tell Jones' lawyers about Kathleen Willey, another former White House staffer. Willey recently had testified about alleged unsolicited sexual advances made by the president in 1993.



Jan. 16, 1998: Starr contacts Attorney General Janet Reno to get permission to expand his probe. Reno agrees and submits the request to a panel of three federal judges. The judges agree to allow Starr to formally investigate the possibility of subornation of perjury and obstruction of justice in the Jones case. Tripp and Lewinsky meet again at the Ritz-Carlton. FBI agents and U.S. attorneys intercede and take Lewinsky to a hotel room, where they question her and offer her immunity. Lewinsky contacts her mother, Marcia Lewis, who travels down from New York City by train. Lewis contacts her ex-husband, who calls attorney William Ginsburg, a family friend. Ginsburg advises her not to accept the immunity deal until he learns more.



Jan. 17, 1998: Ginsburg flies to Washington to represent Lewinsky. Clinton gives his deposition in the Jones lawsuit, in which he denies having a sexual relationship with Lewinsky. Newsweek magazine decides not to run a story by investigative reporter Michael Isikoff on the Lewinsky tapes and the alleged affair.



Jan. 18: Clinton meets with Currie, compares his memory with hers on Lewinsky.

Jan. 19, 1998: Lewinsky's name surfaces in an Internet gossip column, the Drudge Report, which mentions rumors that Newsweek had decided to delay publishing a piece on Lewinsky and the alleged affair.


Jan. 21, 1998: Several news organizations report the alleged sexual relationship between Lewinsky and Clinton. Clinton denies the allegations as the scandal erupts.


Jan. 22, 1998:Clinton reiterates his denial of the relationship and says he never urged Lewinsky to lie. Starr issues subpoenas for a number of people, as well as for White House records. Starr also defends the expansion of his initial Whitewater investigation. Jordan holds a press conference to flatly deny he told Lewinsky to lie. Jordan also says that Lewinsky told him that she did not have a sexual relationship with the president.


Jan. 23, 1998: Clinton assures his Cabinet of his innocence. Judge Susan Webber Wright puts off "indefinitely" a deposition Lewinsky was scheduled to give in the Jones lawsuit. Clinton's personal secretary, Betty Currie, and other aides are subpoenaed to appear before a federal grand jury. Ginsburg says Lewinsky is being "squeezed" by Starr and is now a target of the Whitewater investigation.


Jan. 24, 1998: Clinton asks former Deputy White House Chief of Staff Harold Ickes and former Commerce Secretary Mickey Kantor to return to the White House to help deal with the controversy. Talks continue between Starr and attorneys for Lewinsky over a possible immunity agreement.



Jan. 25, 1998: Ginsburg says Lewinsky will "tell all" in exchange for immunity. Clinton political adviser James Carville says "a war" will be waged between Clinton supporters and Kenneth Starr over Starr's investigation tactics.


Jan. 26, 1998: Clinton forcefully repeats his denial, saying, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." Ginsburg offers Starr a summary of what Lewinsky is prepared to say to the grand jury in exchange for a grant of immunity from the prosecution.


Jan. 27, 1998: Jones' attorney, John Whitehead, answers Starr's subpoena with several documents, possibly including Clinton's deposition in the Jones suit. Currie testifies before the grand jury. First lady Hillary Rodham Clinton says in a broadcast interview that a "vast right-wing conspiracy" is behind the charges against her husband. A Portland, Ore., man, Andy Bleiler, alleges he had a five-year affair with Lewinsky, and his lawyer promises to turn over documents and items to Starr's investigators. Clinton delivers his State of the Union address, making no mention of the scandal.


Jan. 29, 1998: The judge in the Paula Jones lawsuit rules that Monica Lewinsky is "not essential to the core issues" of the Jones case, and has ordered that all evidence related to Lewinsky be excluded from the Jones proceedings.


Jan. 31, 1998: Immunity discussions between Monica Lewinsky's attorney, William Ginsburg, and Ken Starr's office appear stalled. Ginsburg says Lewinsky plans to go to California in the coming week to visit her father.


February 1998
Feb. 4, 1998: Word comes that Independent Counsel Ken Starr has rejected the latest written statement by Monica Lewinsky's lawyers seeking immunity from prosecution for her. Their on-again, off-again immunity discussions are off.


Feb. 5, 1998: Ken Starr says his inquiry is "moving very quickly and we've made very significant progress."


Feb. 6, 1998: At a news conference, President Bill Clinton says he would never consider resigning because of the accusations against him. "I would never walk away from the people of this country and the trust they've placed in me," he says.


Feb. 10, 1998: Monica Lewinsky's mother, Marcia Lewis, appears before the grand jury. Ken Starr and his investigators suspect Lewis was aware of her daughter's alleged affair with President Bill Clinton.


Feb. 11, 1998: First lady Hillary Rodham Clinton predicts the allegations against her husband "will slowly dissipate over time under the weight of its own insubstantiality." A retired Secret Service uniformed guard, Lewis C. Fox, claims in an interview he saw Monica Lewinsky come to the West Wing on weekends with documents she said were for the president.


Feb. 18, 1998: One of President Bill Clinton's closest advisers, Bruce Lindsey, spends the day before the Whitewater grand jury. The hearing is stopped briefly when questions of executive privilege are raised.



Feb. 19, 1998: Ken Starr's chronology shows presidential friend Vernon Jordan began seeking a private-sector job for Monica Lewinsky within 72 hours of her being listed as a potential witness in the Paula Jones civil rights lawsuit against President Bill Clinton.


Feb. 20, 1998: Lewinsky attorney Bill Ginsburg says the former intern met with Vernon Jordan much earlier than was being reported.


Feb. 23, 1998: There is more legal wrangling over when Marcia Lewis, Lewinsky's mother, will resume her grand jury testimony. Her lawyer, Billy Martin, says she is "going through hell."

Feb. 25, 1998: White House lawyers are preparing legal briefs to defend the administration's position that executive privilege should shield several of President Bill Clinton's top aides from certain questions in the Lewinsky investigation.


Feb. 26, 1998: White House senior communications aide Sidney Blumenthal testifies before the grand jury, answering questions about any role he may have played in spreading negative information about investigators in Independent Counsel Ken Starr's office. Fourteen Democrats in the House write Attorney General Janet Reno complaining about subpoenas issued by Starr. A non-profit group that studies women in the workplace says it will contribute $10,000 as seed money for a legal defense fund for Lewinsky.


Feb. 27, 1998: White House communications aide Sidney Blumenthal refused to answer some of the questions posed before the grand jury, citing the controversy over whether the independent counsel can force aides to testify about conversations they had with the president.


March 1998
March 3, 1998: Vernon Jordan Jr. testifies before the grand jury.


March 5, 1998: Lawyers for Monica Lewinsky battle with Ken Starr over whether Lewinsky has a binding immunity agreement.


March 9, 1998: U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright rejects a request by Ms. Jones' attorneys to include evidence of a Monica Lewinsky affair during a Jones trial.


March 10, 1998: Kathleen Willey, a former White House volunteer who accused the president of fondling her, testifies before the grand jury for four hours.


March 11, 1998: The grand jury spends the day listening to audio recordings, which sources say are tapes made by Linda Tripp of her conversations with Monica Lewinsky.


March 16, 1998: Clinton says "nothing improper" happened when he was alone with Kathleen Willey, responding to her accusations aired in an interview on "60 Minutes" the previous night. The White House releases letters Willey sent to the president, signed "Fondly, Kathleen" in an effort to cast doubt on her story.


March 17, 1998: The White House charges that Kathleen Willey tried to sell her story to a book publisher for $300,000. Willey's attorney denies the charges. A friend of Lewinsky and the presidential diarist give grand jury testimony.


March 18, 1998: Julie Steele's affidavit is released. In it she says she lied when she claimed Kathleen Willey had come to her house the night of the encounter and told her about it.

March 20, 1998: President Clinton decides to formally invoke executive privilege.

March 25, 1998: Marcia Lewis, Monica Lewinsky's mother, fails to persuade a federal judge to excuse her from a third day of testimony. Starr subpoenas records from Kramerbooks & Afterwords on Monica Lewinsky's purchases at the store. One of her purchases was reportedly Nicholson Baker's "Vox," a novel about phone sex. Jodie Torkelson testifies.



April 1998
April 1, 1998: Judge Susan Webber Wright dismisses the Paula Jones case.

April 7, 1998: Presidential diarist Janis Kearney testifies before the grand jury. Harolyn Cardozo, daughter of multimillionaire fund-raiser and Clinton pal Nate Landow and a former White House intern, testifies before the grand jury. She is questioned on Kathleen Willey's accusations of unwanted sexual advances made by the president.


April 9, 1998: A second White House steward is called to testify before the grand jury in a supposed effort to learn of meetings between the president and Monica Lewinsky.


April 14, 1998: Kenneth Starr files a sealed motion in U.S. District Court to compel testimony of uniformed Secret Service agents, according to the Wall Street Journal.


April 16, 1998: Ken Starr withdraws from consideration for the deanship at Pepperdine University Law School. Starr said an end to the Whitewater investigation "was not yet in sight." Bernard Lewinsky lashes out at Kenneth Starr, calling the treatment of his daughter "unconscionable." He also asks for help in paying the former intern's legal bills.


April 18, 1998: U.S. News & World Report says retired Secret Service office Louis Fox testified before the grand jury that during a visit by Lewinsky to the White House in the fall of 1995, Clinton told him, "Close the door. She'll be in here for a while."



April 21, 1998: Former President George Bush weighs in, challenging Ken Starr's attempt to get Secret Service officers to testify before the grand jury.



April 28, 1998: Nancy Hernreich, director of Oval Office operations, testifies for the sixth time in the Lewinsky investigation.


April 29, 1998: A federal judge rules that Monica Lewinsky does not have an immunity agreement with Ken Starr.


April 30, 1998: In his first news conference since the Lewinsky scandal broke, the president lashes out at Independent Counsel Ken Starr charging that he heads a "hard, well-financed, vigorous effort" to undercut the president. Clinton repeatedly declines to elaborate on his relationship with Lewinsky.


May 1998
May 5, 1998: Federal Judge Norma Holloway Johnson rules against President Clinton's claim of executive privilege. Clinton confidant Vernon Jordan testifies for a third time before the grand jury.


May 6, 1998: Clinton's personal attorney, David Kendall, accuses Starr's office of "flagrant leaks," citing a Fox News report that claimed information on Clinton's executive-privilege decision came from the independent counsel's office.


May 8, 1998: Ken Starr and David Kendall quarrel over leaks of grand jury information. Betty Currie testifies before the grand jury for the third time.


May 13, 1998: Ken Starr seeks contempt charges against David Kendall, the president's personal attorney. Starr accuses Kendall of leaking grand jury testimony.

May 14, 1998: Starr argues in federal court that there are no legal grounds for Secret Service agents who guard the president to refuse to testify before the grand jury. Betty Currie, the president's personal secretary, returns for her fourth appearance before the grand jury testimony.


May 21, 1998: Walter Kaye, a retired insurance executive and prominent Democratic contributor, testifies before the grand jury.


May 22, 1998: Federal Judge Norma Holloway Johnson ruled that the Secret Service must testify before the grand jury in the Monica Lewinsky controversy.


May 27, 1998: Monica Lewinsky's lawyer, Bill Ginsburg writes an angry "open letter" to Ken Starr which was published in "California Lawyer." "Congratulations, Mr. Starr! As a result of your callous disregard for cherished constitutional rights, you may have succeeded in unmasking a sexual relationship between two consenting adults." It is reported that death threats were made against Linda Tripp when the Lewinsky scandal first broke in January and she was moved to a safe house.


May 28, 1998: Ken Starr asks the Supreme Court to expedite their ruling on executive privilege. Monica Lewinsky gives handwriting and fingerprints samples to the FBI at Ken Starr's request.


June 1998
June 1, 1998: Clinton's defense team decides to drop the appeal on the executive privilege ruling. But his lawyers will continue to argue for attorney-client privilege to prevent close friend and aide Bruce Lindsey from answering all of Ken Starr's questions.


June 2, 1998: The outspoken Bill Ginsburg is replaced as Monica Lewinsky's lawyer with a team of experienced Washington litigators, Jacob Stein and Plato Cacheris. The split was said to be by "mutual agreement."


June 5, 1998: Appeals court fast tracks attorney-client privilege dispute. Federal Judge Norma Holloway Johnson rules that while Monica Lewinsky's book purchases did have a bearing on her case, only Kramer Books -- and not Barnes & Noble -- would be required to hand over records of her purchases.


June 8, 1998: The Supreme Court hears oral arguments in Ken Starr's attempts to access notes take by the lawyer of late White House deputy counsel Vince Foster nine days after the meeting in question. Foster's lawyer, James Hamilton argued the notes are covered by attorney-client privilege, but Starr's office said the privilege doesn't always extends past death.



June 9, 1998: Presidential friend Vernon Jordan testifies before Ken Starr's grand jury for the fifth time. Lewinsky's new lawyers say they are upset by her photo layout in Vanity Fair magazine.

June 10, 1998: Former White House Deputy Chief of Staff Harold Ickes appears before the grand jury to testify about his involvement, if any, in the release of information from Linda Tripp's personnel records.


June 15, 1998: Deputy White House Counsel Bruce Lindsey files an appeal of federal Judge Norma Holloway Johnson's decision to deny him attorney-client privilege in the Lewinsky case.


June 15, 1998: The publication of an article in the new magazine of media criticism, Brill's Content, alleging that Ken Starr leaked information to the media leads Judge Holloway to hold a private meeting with lawyers for both sides of the case to investigate the charges. The magazine's editor and creator, Steven Brill, said Starr admitted to the leaks in a 90-minute interview.


June 16, 1998: Ken Starr releases a 19-page attack on Brill's article, calling the editor "reckless" and "irresponsible" for printing what he called a misinterpretation of their interview.


June 18, 1998: Sources tell CNN that three FBI agents have testified in secret affidavits that a plan to wire Monica Lewinsky and monitor her conversations did exist. The secret testimony refutes Ken Starr's published denial of the plan, but does not specify that the conversations Starr's prosecution wished to tape were with the president or Vernon Jordan.


June 22, 1998: Kramer Books and lawyers for Monica Lewinsky strike a deal in which records of Lewinsky's purchases are submitted to Ken Starr's office by her lawyers and not the book store, thereby allowing the book store to maintain it stood up for the First Amendment.



June 22, 1998: CNN learns that Ken Starr may be willing to make an immunity deal without requiring that Monica Lewinsky plead guilty to some charge against her if they decide that she is cooperating fully with the prosecution.


June 25, 1998: The Supreme Court rules 6-3 that attorney-client privilege extends beyond the grave, exempting Vince Foster's conversations with his lawyers from being called as evidence in Ken Starr's presidential investigations.


June 25, 1998: White House communications aide Sidney Blumenthal testifies before Ken Starr's grand jury for the third time. Blumenthal complains that Starr's inquiry focused on what the White House was saying about his prosecution rather than Blumenthal's conversations with the president.


June 26, 1998: Ken Starr presents arguments to a federal appeals court requesting that Secret Service personnel be required to testify in the Lewinsky case. Linda Tripp is called to appear before the grand jury on Tuesday, June 30.


June 29, 1998: Attorneys for Dale Young confirm that the Lewinsky family friend testified before the grand jury that Monica Lewinsky spoke to her of an intimate relationship between herself and President Clinton. According to Young's testimony, Lewinsky confided in her in 1996, detailing the limitations and rules Clinton had placed upon their relationship.

June 30, 1998: Linda Tripp appears before the grand jury for her first day of testimony, accompanied by her children. She says that she did not trick Monica Lewinsky when she taped conversations with her former friend.


July 1998

July 1, 1998: Linda Tripp makes her second appearance before the grand jury, during which the Lewinsky tapes may have been played.


July 7, 1998: Linda Tripp returns for her third day of testimony before the grand jury, as the Maryland state's attorney opens investigations into Tripp's taping of her conversations with Monica Lewinsky. The investigation is aimed at deciding whether Tripp had broken Maryland state laws that require both parties in a conversation to consent to be taped.


July 7, 1998: The U.S. Court of Appeals rules that Secret Service agents must testify before the grand jury, upholding Judge Norma Holloway Johnson's earlier decision.


July 9, 1998: Monica Lewinsky announces she is prepared to cooperate in the Maryland investigation into the legality of Linda Tripp's tapes of phone conversations as Tripp appears before the grand jury for the fourth time.


July 14, 1998: Ken Starr subpoenas Larry Cockell, head of the president's security detail. The Justice Department, backed by the Secret Service, requests a full panel appeal of the Secret Service testimony decision from the U.S. Court of Appeals.


July 17, 1998: Supreme Court Chief Justice William Rehnquist denies an extension of the temporary stay on Secret Service testimony. The subpoenaed Secret Service agents appeared before the grand jury, although only three of them testify. Larry Cockell, who is not one of the agents to testify, spends the afternoon waiting.


July 21, 1998: The U.S. Court of Appeals holds a hearing on alleged leaks of grand jury information to the media by Ken Starr's office. The hearings center on Judge Norma Holloway Johnson's secret sanctions against Starr and his subsequent appeal. The sanctions would require Starr to turn over documents and other evidence related to the alleged leaks.


July 25, 1998: Word emerges that Independent Counsel Ken Starr has served President Clinton with a subpoena that calls for his testimony before the Lewinsky grand jury next week. Negotiations are underway on the scope, timing and format of Clinton's testimony.

July 27, 1998: The U.S. Court of Appeals rules that attorney-client privilege does not protect presidential confidant Bruce Lindsey from answering all questions put to him before the Lewinsky grand jury.

July 28, 1998: In a dramatic breakthrough, lawyers for Lewinsky and Starr work out a full immunity agreement covering both Lewinsky and her parents, Marcia Lewis and Dr. Bernard Lewinsky.

July 29, 1998: President Bill Clinton agrees to testify voluntarily and Starr's office withdraws the subpoena. Clinton's testimony is set for August 17 at the White House.



July 30, 1998: Sources say that as part of her immunity agreement, Lewinsky has handed over to prosecutors a dark blue dress that she alleges may contain physical evidence of a sexual relationship with President Bill Clinton. The dress is turned over to the FBI lab for testing.




August 1998
August 6, 1998: Monica Lewinsky appears before the grand jury to begin her testimony.


August 7, 1998: A federal appeals court lets an investigation of alleged news leaks from Ken Starr's office continue.


August 11, 1998: Hollywood producer and Clinton friend Harry Thomason testifies before the grand jury.


August 17, 1998: President Bill Clinton becomes the first sitting president to testify before a grand jury investigating his conduct. After the questioning at the White House is finished, Clinton goes on national TV to admit he had an inappropriate relationship with Monica Lewinsky.


Clinton's speech in its entirety (8-17-98) Windows Media 28K | 56K

August 18, 1998: Former Clinton political advisor Dick Morris testifies before the grand jury.


August 19, 1998: Word that Starr has requested and received a sample of Clinton's DNA becomes public.


August 20, 1998: Monica Lewinsky testifies before the grand jury for a second time.


September 1998

September 9, 1998: Independent Counsel Ken Starr submits his report and 18 boxes of supporting documents to the House of Representatives.


September 11, 1998: The House of Representative votes to receive the Starr report. The House Judiciary Committee takes possession of the 18 boxes of materials and promptly releases the first 445 pages to the public.


September 18, 1998: Over Democrats' objections, the House Judiciary Committee agrees to release President Clinton's videotaped grand jury testimony and more than 3,000 pages of supporting material from the Starr report, including sexually explicit testimony from Monica Lewinsky.


September 21, 1998: The Judiciary Committee releases and many television networks immediately broadcast more than four hours of President Clinton's videotaped grand jury testimony. Along with the videotape, the Judiciary Committee also releases the appendix to the Starr's report which includes 3,183 pages of testimony and other evidence, including a photograph of Lewinsky's semen-stained dress.


September 24, 1998: The House Judiciary Committee announces the committee will consider a resolution to begin an impeachment inquiry against President Clinton in an open session on October 5 or October 6.


October 1998
October 2, 1998: The House Judiciary Committee releases another 4,610 pages of supporting material from Ken Starr's investigation, including transcripts of grand jury testimony and transcripts of the Linda Tripp-Monica Lewinsky tapes.


October 5, 1998: On a 21-16 vote, the House Judiciary Committee recommends a full impeachment inquiry.

Judiciary Committee impeachment debate, Rep. Robert Wexler (10-5-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Judiciary Committee impeachment debate, Rep. Bob Barr (10-5-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Judiciary Committee impeachment debate, Rep. Maxine Waters (10-5-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Judiciary Committee impeachment debate, Rep. Barney Frank (10-5-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Judiciary Committee opening statements on impeachment inquiry (10-5-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Chief Democratic Investigator presents case to Judiciary Committee (10-5-98) Windows Media28K | 56K
Chief GOP Investigator presents case to Judiciary Committee (10-5-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Judiciary Committee impeachment debate, Rep. Robert Wexler (10-5-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Judiciary Committee impeachment debate, Rep. Bob Barr (10-5-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Judiciary Committee impeachment debate, Rep. Maxine Waters (10-5-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Judiciary Committee impeachment debate, Rep. Barney Frank (10-5-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Judiciary Committee opening statements on impeachment inquiry (10-5-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K



October 8, 1998: The House of Representatives authorizes a wide-ranging impeachment inquiry of President Clinton on a 258-176 vote. Thirty-one Democrats join Republicans in supporting the investigation.



October 28, 1998: In the final week of the 1998 campaign, Republicans shift gears and begin pummeling the Democrats in TV ads about Bill Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky.

November 1998
November 3, 1998: Democrats pick up five seats in the House of Representatives in the midterm elections, and held off a Republican super-majority in the Senate.


November 5, 1998: Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry Hyde sends a list of questions to President Clinton, asking him to "admit or deny" the major facts outlined in Independent Counsel Ken Starr's report to Congress.



November 9, 1998: A House subcommittee hears from legal experts on whether President Clinton's behavior in the Lewinsky affair rises to the level of an impeachable offense.


November 13, 1998: After fighting Jones' sexual harassment lawsuit for four years, Clinton agreed to pay Jones $850,000 to drop the case. But the deal included no apology from the president.


November 19, 1998: In a marathon session, Independent Counsel Ken Starr outlines his case against President Clinton before the House Judiciary Committee, saying Clinton repeatedly "chose deception." Democrats grill Starr about his investigative methods.

RELATED MULTIMEDIA:
Ken Starr answers questions from Republican committee counsel David Schippers (11-19-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Ken Starr answers questions from attorney David Kendall (11-19-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Ken Starr answers questions from Congressman Bob Barr (11-19-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Democratic party investigator Abbe Lowell asks Starr about his interaction with Monica Lewinsky (11-19-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Democratic party investigator Abbe Lowell asks Starr about his interaction with Monica Lewinsky (11-19-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Democratic party investigator Abbe Lowell asks Starr about Linda Tripp's role (11-19-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Ken Starr answers questions from Congressman Barney Frank (11-19-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Ken Starr testifies before the House Judiciary Committee (11-19-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Chairman Henry Hyde's opening statement (11-19-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K



November 28, 1998 Republicans express disappointment and outrage at what some describe as President Clinton's evasive and legalistic answers to the Judiciary Committee's questions.



December 1998


December 1, 1998: On a party-line vote, the House Judiciary Committee expands its impeachment inquiry to include alleged campaign finance abuses, approving subpoenas for Attorney General Janet Reno, FBI Director Louis Freeh and federal prosecutor Charles LaBella.

December 3, 1998: After two staffers look at internal Justice Department memos, Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry Hyde tells Republicans that campaign fund-raising will not be part of the impeachment debate.

December 4, 1998: Lawyers for President Bill Clinton ask the House Judiciary Committee for three to four days to make their defense presentation.

December 6, 1998: President Clinton's attorneys are granted 30 hours over two days to make his defense case before the Judiciary Committee.


December 8, 1998: In a daylong session, President Clinton's lawyers and three panels of witnesses testify on the president's behalf, saying Clinton's behavior does not warrant impeachment.





December 11, 1998: The House Judiciary Committee approves three articles of impeachment, alleging that President Clinton committed perjury and obstruction of justice. The action comes despite another apology from Clinton.

RELATED MULTIMEDIA:
Clinton 'profoundly sorry,' ready to bear consequences (12-11-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Rep. Barney Frank argues against the charge of impeachment (12-11-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Democratic and Republican members debate semantics (12-11-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Rep. Robert Wexler's opening statement (12-11-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Ranking John Conyers' opening statement (12-11-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Chairman Henry Hyde's opening statement (12-11-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Rep. Lindsey Graham's opening statements (12-11-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Rep. Bob Barr's opening statements (12-11-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K
Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee's opening statements (12-11-98) Windows Media: 28K | 56K



December 12, 1998: The House Judiciary Committee approves a fourth and final article of impeachment against President Clinton, accusing him of making false statements in his answers to written questions from Congress. A Democratic proposal to censure Clinton instead goes down to defeat.

December 15, 1998: In a blow to White House hopes, 11 moderate House Republicans announce they will vote to impeach the president.


December 16, 1998: In a coordinated strike, U.S. and British forces attack Iraq in retaliation for its failure to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors. Because of the military action, House Republican leaders delay a planned impeachment debate and vote set to begin Thursday, December 17.

December 17, 1998: Republicans reschedule the impeachment debate for December 18 over Democratic objections. Republican Speaker-elect Bob Livingston is forced to admit his own marital indiscretions, but says unlike President Clinton, they were not with a staff member and he was never asked to testify under oath about them.




December 18, 1998: The House of Representatives engages in a fierce, daylong debate whether to impeach President Clinton. A CNN survey suggests there are enough votes to approve one or more articles of impeachment.



December 19, 1998: After 13 1/2 hours of debate over two days, the House of Representatives approves two articles of impeachment, charging President Clinton with lying under oath to a federal grand jury and obstructing justice. Clinton vows to fill out his term and appeals for a bipartisan compromise in the Senate.

January 1999
January 5, 1999: Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott announces President Clinton's trial will begin January 7, but senators continue to wrangle over how long the trial should be and whether to call witnesses.

January 7, 1999: With ceremonial flourishes, the perjury and obstruction of justice trial of President Bill Clinton begins in the Senate, with the swearing in of Chief Justice William Rehnquist to preside and the senators as jurors.


January 8, 1999: The Senate unanimously agrees on a process for continuing the trial, but puts off a decision on a key sticking point -- whether to call witnesses.


January 11, 1999: President Clinton's defense team denies the charges against the president in a 13-page answer to a Senate summons. House prosecutors submit a pre-trial memo outlining their case.

January 13, 1999: President Clinton's lawyers file their pre-trial brief, outlining the case for the president's acquittal. Clinton tells reporters he wants to focus on the nation's business, not the trial. "They have their job to do in the Senate, and I have mine," Clinton says."And I intend to do it."

January 14, 1999: Thirteen House prosecutors begin a three-day opening statement, laying out the case for the Senate to convict President Clinton and remove him from office.


January 19, 1999: President Clinton's legal team begins a three-day defense of the president.



January 22, 1999: Senators begin two days of questioning of the prosecution and defense teams, passing written queries through Chief Justice William Rehnquist.



January 23, 1999: A judge orders Monica Lewinsky to cooperate with House prosecutors; Lewinsky returns to Washington, D.C., from California.


January 24, 1999: Monica Lewinsky submits to a nearly two-hour interview with House prosecutors; they call the session "productive" but Lewinsky's lawyer says it added nothing new to the record.

January 25, 1999: Senators hear arguments about dismissing the charges against President Clinton and then deliberate in secret.



January 26, 1999: Senators hear arguments about seeking depositions from three witnesses -- Monica Lewinsky, Vernon Jordan and Sidney Blumenthal -- and then deliberate in secret.

January 27, 1999: In twin, 56-44 votes, the Senate refuses to dismiss the charges against President Clinton and agrees to seek depositions from Monica Lewinsky, Vernon Jordan and Sidney Blumenthal.


January 28, 1999: In a party-line vote, the Senate OKs a Republican plan for the impeachment trial's deposition phase, and sets February 12 as a target date for the trial's end.



February 1999

February 1, 1999: House prosecutors question Monica Lewinsky in a closed-door deposition; Clinton's lawyer reads a statement to her expressing the president's "regret" over what Lewinsky has gone through, but asks no questions.


February 2, 1999: House prosecutors question presidential friend Vernon Jordan for three hours in a closed-door deposition.



February 3, 1999: House prosecutors question White House aide Sidney Blumenthal in a closed-door deposition.




February 4, 1999: On a 70-30 vote, the Senate decides not to call Monica Lewinsky to testify in person at the trial, but clears the way for House prosecutors to present excerpts of videotaped depositions.



February 6, 1999: Americans get a chance to see and hear Monica Lewinsky as House prosecutors and White House lawyers play video excerpts of her testimony in their final summations.





February 8, 1999: House prosecutors and Clinton's lawyer offer closing arguments.



February 9, 1999: Senate begins closed-door deliberations on President Clinton's fate, after rejecting a "sunshine" proposal to open the proceedings to the public.



February 12, 1999: President Clinton is acquitted of the two articles of impeachment. Rejecting the first charge of perjury, 10 Republicans and all 45 Democrats vote "not guilty." On the charge of obstruction of justice, the Senate is split 50-50. Afterward, Clinton says he is "profoundly sorry" for the burden he imposed on the Congress and the American people.

March 18, 1999: Deputy Independent Counsel Hickman Ewing testifies at the Susan McDougal trial that he had written a "rough draft indictment" of first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton after he doubted her truthfulness in a deposition.



April 12, 1999: U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright finds President Bill Clinton in civil contempt of court for his "willful failure" to obey her repeated orders to testify truthfully in the Paula Jones case. Wright also orders Clinton to pay Jones "any reasonable expenses including attorneys' fees caused by his willful failure to obey this court's discovery orders," directing Jones' lawyers to submit an accounting of their expenses and fees. She also rules Clinton must reimburse the court $1,202 for the judge's travel expenses. Wright traveled to Washington at Clinton's request to preside over what she now calls "his tainted deposition."

June 30, 1999: At the stroke of midnight, the Independent Counsel law expires. But Independent Counsel Ken Starr says there are still two ongoing aspects of his investigation.

July 29, 1999: U.S. District Court Judge Susan Webber Wright orders President Bill Clinton to pay $90,686 for giving false testimony in the civil sexual harassment lawsuit filed against him by Paula Jones.

August 18, 1999: The federal court panel that appointed Independent Counsel Ken Starr splits over whether to end the five-year independent counsel investigation, voting 2-1 to keep it alive. Judge Richard D. Cudahy dissents from his fellow judges, saying that with President Bill Clinton already impeached and acquitted, and no prosecutions pending against others, "this is a natural and logical point for termination." CNN also learns that Starr has been involved in "theoretical discussions" about stepping aside as independent counsel.

October 18, 1999: Robert Ray is sworn in as the successor to Independent Counsel Ken Starr, inheriting a highly controversial investigation and the duty to write the special prosecutor's final report.


2000
March 13, 2000: Whitewater Independent Counsel Robert Ray begins filing a series of final reports that detail the office's six-year investigation of President Bill Clinton and first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton.

March 16, 2000: Independent Counsel Robert Ray's office files a report stating there is "no substantial and credible evidence" that President Bill Clinton and first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton sought confidential FBI background checks of former GOP White House personnel.

April 24, 2000: CNN learns that in the previous week Independent Counsel Robert Ray has subpoenaed records from the National Archives in an attempt to determine whether the White House deliberately withheld electronic mail messages in an attempt to stymie investigations pertaining to the Monica Lewinsky affair and other Clinton Administration controversies.

June 30, 2000: An Arkansas Supreme Court panel files suit to strip Bill Clinton of his license to practice law. The Arkansas State Supreme Court Committee on Professional Conduct recommended in May that Clinton's Arkansas law license be withdrawn, in the wake of accusations he gave misleading testimony under oath in the Paula Jones case. Clinton has 30 days to respond.

July 13, 2000: Charles Bakaly, the former spokesman for then Independent Counsel Ken Starr, goes to trial on charges that he misled a judge about news leaks during the Monica Lewinsky investigation.

July 28, 2000: The final report on the so-called "filegate" scandal is unsealed by a federal appeals court, and Whitewater Independent Counsel Robert Ray said the report shows no evidence of misconduct by first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton or former White House Counsel Bernard Nussbaum.

August 17, 2000: CNN learns that in July Independent Counsel Robert Ray impaneled a new grand jury as part of an investigation into the scandal involving President Bill Clinton and former White House intern Monica Lewinsky.

<link> http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/johnson/clintontimeline.htm

And it still has not ended. George Bush is going to remain in office probably until his term ends in January 2009, IMHO.

[orleans]

9. impeachment.....a dream come true!!!

(pssst. did you sign the letter?
pass it on. tell your friends.
here's the link)

[katty]

30. March for Impeachment NOW-more than enough evidence!

[Al-CIAda]

10. EXPOSE THE PNAC n/t.

[EC]

15. During Watergate, it was one thing after another, week after week

after week, that finally eroded the Republican Base...I can remember everyone discussing it... every week it was, well, did you hear the latest? This is what we should be doing, just week after week, pile it on...


This in combination with the economy and Patriot Act, should do it...

An aquintance, that is Republican, comes into the office to see me at least 2 times a week, and I've been doing this, and she is finally becoming really disgusted...at first she'd say, well the Democrats are letting them do it, blah, blah, and I'd just keep reminding her that no they don't have a say, that it is a Republican Congress and President, and EVERYTHING that is going on now is because of the Republicans...she is finally getting it....

[meppie-meppie not]

20. yes indeed, they may control the government proper but they

don't control us individually and if we organized and began to protest, boycott etc then they would have to listen.

[Dr Fate]

18. "It's about the lies...under oath...Let the chips fall where they may..."

n/t

[Coexist]

26. was Bush ever under oath when he discussed invading Iraq

I remember him meeting "informally" but a quick google search didn't turn up anything.

[Dr Fate]

27. No on Meet the Press Bush said : "No, I dont go under oath..."

And of course, Tim Russert thought that was just fine- no follow up.

[Coexist]

28. of course not! why would anyone follow up on that with a liar like Bush

of course he won't.

We do have him on lot's of video from his speeches though. A nice montage of him with dates imprinted on the bottom would be nice to pass around. Anyone seen one?

[cestpaspossible]

29. Let's have one in 07 instead

in 06, we'll be talking about Republican corruption, refusal to investigate, pretty much every Republican House member is financially beholden to Delay, Abrammof, etc.

Let's win back Congress... btw the idea that there will be impeachment with Republicans in charge of Congress is as credible as any Flat Earth Society argument.