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dragonkeep Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 10:30 AM
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Find out if your state has made recounting paper ballots illegal...
Florida has. I cannot think of ANYTHING that can excuse this.

Optical scan voting machines leave a paper trail. As of now, in Florida, it is illegal to count the paper ballots to verify the vote. Folks, it won't matter if we have a paper trail if we can't use it. Check your state....this is coming in under the radar and there are changes afoot.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0505/S00381.htm

"New regs: Counting paper ballots forbidden

Most states prohibit elections officials from checking on optical scan tallies by examining the paper ballots. In Washington, Secretary of State Sam Reed declared such spontaneous checkups to be "unauthorized recounts" and prohibited them altogether. New Florida regulations will forbid counting paper ballots, even in recounts, except in highly unusual circumstances. Without paper ballot hand-counts, the hacks demonstrated below show that optical-scan elections can be destroyed in seconds."

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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 10:51 AM
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1. And this is the exact reason why I believe no matter what we do
these machines will do otherwise. I and others feel these machines are hack worthy and have been hacked. The polls still show bad numbers, the odds makers in Vegas had it wrong. Something has got to give. People have to have their vote backed up on paper....
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 10:59 AM
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2. You should rephrase that
As of now, in Florida, it is illegal to count the paper ballots to verify the vote.

and

Secretary of State Sam Reed declared such spontaneous checkups to be "unauthorized recounts"

Because NO ONE has produced evidence of any of these allegations. And since they came from Bev Harris, they cannot be relied upon as factual.

Even after multiple requests for citiations of these allegations, Bev Harris has been too busy defaming Andy Stephenson over at Freerepublic to produce the requested evidence.

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ozymandius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 11:04 AM
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3. Is this true?
Bev Harris has moved her shop to Free Republic?
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 11:28 AM
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5. She has
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 10:38 AM
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7. She's been a member for two years
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dragonkeep Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 11:11 AM
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4. This happened locally for me....
and it was the local supervisor of elections for us that authorized the test.

Don't let your opinion of Bev Harris blind you to the truth.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 11:31 AM
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6. Don't let hyperbole blind you
Ask for proof and facts. We have neither here. We have a "story" being told by a proven liar (Bev Harris).

Even her cut up tape of the Chicago official was proven to be a complete fabrication when Cook County bought Sequoia last week (after Bev Harris accused them of taking $20K/mo in Diebold payoffs).

The FACTS don't mesh in this "story" and there is no supporting documentation, even though it has been requested several times.

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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-05 10:39 AM
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8. If you believe anything Bev says
You believe Saddam had NBC weapons, and the Iraq war is going well.
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