How do you answer this from the CONs?

[SHRED]

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"Or we can simply ask, Has GWB prevented any other terrorist attacks against the
citizens of United States since 9/11/01????"
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They think because we haven't had a mainland attack that shrub is doing good in the WOT.
How do you respond?

[illbill]

1. Tell them to...

Try alternatives to life such as suicide.

[Fridays Child]

2. In terms of American lives lost because of terrorism, he has...

...the worst record of any president.

[punpirate]

3. The right answer:

What kind of job did he do preventing the last one?

[SHRED]

4. yep

Bingo!

[underpants]

10. Right-plus "When was the last time we had one BEFORE 9/11?"

William Krar?

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040311-030156-8181r

Eric Rudolph? Mmmm right wing AMERICAN extremists, want to include that one?

OKC bombing? Mmmm those were home grown right wing extremists but did you see Clinton on a power grab and ripping up the constitution?

The USS Cole? Oh yeah that was "ON CLINTON'S WATCH!!!" but 9/11 wasn't on W's?

The first attack on the twin towers.... hmmm let's see that was on Feb.26th, 1993 5 WEEKS after Clinton was sworn in but you have never heard one Clinton official try to blame Poppa Bush's administration did you? You didn't see the media ever really mention the 5 WEEKS thing did you? Didn't most of RW media treat that as a non consequential attack on "New York" (read :Jews)?

[ET Awful]

5. Hmmm, those civilian contractors that have died by the dozens

in Iraq are citizens of the United States, as are journalists who have been killed by terrorists. In fact, ther ehave been lots of citizens of the United States killed by terrorists since 9/11. That included people in the Bali nightclub bombing, the various bombings in Morroco, the bombings in Saudi Arabia, etc.

Sorry, but he hasn't stopped anything.

[Guckert]

6. there are terrorist attacks every day against Americans in Iraq.

its not IF its WHEN.
only 2% of container ships searched
nuke plants and chemical plants guarded by one guard
borders open for any Tom. Dick, or Muhammad Atta to waltz into LA, TX, NM, AZ with anything they want.

DO YOU FEEL SAFER??????? Thanks GWB

[johnlal]

7. Don't crow when things are working like they're supposed to.

Bush had a tough time getting up to speed. Not only did we have 9/11, the worst attack against a civilian target on American soil in modern history, but also the Anthrax Killer and the Washington Sniper. This does not count the multitude of terrorist attacks against our troops abroad (any of which would cause Clinton to be castigated if it happened under his watch).

[underpants]

11. Correct- W takes credit for not screwing up ... and FOR screwing up

Basically W gets CREDIT for 9/11. Amazing.

Welcome to DU :hi:

[Guckert]

34. and we still have not brought to justice Osama or the Anthrax killer.

Nice work DUMBya.

[BrainRants]

8. The real question is whether the "Axis of Evil" has gotten more powerful.

Iraq is killing Americans.

North Korea has nuclear weapons.

Iran getting Nuclear weapons.

Uhhh, nope he has not prevented attacks against citizens, he's increased the likelihood of more.

[sui generis]

9. we haven't had a mainland attack because the terrorist

threat isn't as well organized or funded as the Terror Industry would like for us to believe.

Quick, everyone run out and buy duct tape and plastic sheeting, I just bought stock at Home Depot, I mean, terror terror terror!

[ClassWarrior]

12. Clinton prevented EVERY terrorist attack during his 8 years - AND...

...defeated a Radical Right Wing coup at the same time.

NGU.

[mpendragon]

13. the 9/11 attack is still happening

The Bush Administration is taking away freedoms and creating more terrorists than Al Qaeda could have ever done on its own.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

14. It's simple:

Tell them that by applying this logic universally, Clinton did a GREAT job of preventing terrorism between the first WTC attack and the end of his term. Then SUDDENLY, with only <1 year of bush, there's the greatest attack in the history of the world.

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. Do we really KNOW there hasn't been an attack?

Honestly, given the media, the WH spin on all things that come out of the media, and that the CIA/FBI/DHS can't make everything public due to national security concerns...how do we know that?

Yes, there hasn't been a successful attack within our borders of the magnitude on 9/11/01. That was an extraordinary and devastating event that (we hope) will never happen again.

I guess the real question is, what do the CONS really believe is a terrorist attack? The Cole was often cited as one, but more as an attempt to blame it on Clinton and give Bush as pass.

So...what qualifies? How about the UN bombing in Iraq? Or the attacks on Americans in Saudi Arabia? Unless my calendar is mistaken those were "post-9/11", carried out by 'terrorists', and targeted at American citizens.

Just because we here in the mainland haven't "heard" about the murder of one or more persons within our borders doesn't make it a fact that it has not happened, does it? Oh, I forgot...the Liberal Media would be right on top of it!

[mikeytherat]

16. ANTHRAX ATTACKS! ANTHRAX ATTACKS! ANTHRAX ATTACKS!

Jeez, does anyone even remember the anthrax scares?
Watch your mail?
People dying?
U.S. Government officials targeted?

The anthrax attacks were post 9/11, so bang-up job for the Chimp, eh?

Mikey_the_rat

[fliesincircles]

18. That's my favorite

Simply ask, "Refresh my memory, when does the Anthrax Terrorist's trial start?"

Their response is usually facial contortions.

[Blue Belle]

20. WHen do the Anthrax Terrorist Trials start??

Probably about the same time Osama Bin Laden's Terrorist trial does...

[fliesincircles]

24. Who?

:)

[Blue Belle]

28. Exactly...

:eyes:

[salin]

17. That AFTER the election the same folks

(re: cheney) who claimed there would be an attack if Kerry were elected (something about the terrorists being so scared of bushcheney that they wouldn't dare do it on their watch) suddenly were all over the airwaves claiming that another attack on US soil was inevitable, and the question was no longer "if, but when".

How do they explain that shift in explanation over the course of a month or so?

[johnaries]

19. How about this article talking about the INCREASE in terrorism?

April 27, 2005: U.S. Figures Show Sharp Global Rise In Terrorism
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/26/AR2005042601623.html

Of course, Rice tried to hide it:
..."Last year was bad. This year is worse. They are deliberately trying to withhold data because it shows that as far as the war on terrorism internationally, we're losing," said Larry C. Johnson, a former senior State Department counterterrorism official, who first revealed the decision not to publish the data.

[Spazito]

21. Why would the 'terra-ists' attack, bush is doing their job for them

just fine. The economy is tanking, the reputation of the US is in the dustbin, he is destroying the US armed forces more and more every day, etc.

The 'terra-ists' couldn't ask for better recruits than the bush cabal, imo.

Edited to correct typo, changed could to couldn't.

[DinahMoeHum]

30. Ding ding ding, we have a winner !!

Osama bin Laden is playing Bush for a pansy and a cherry (easy mark)

:evilfrown:

[Blue Belle]

22. Tell the CONS to start preparing for another attack...

Bush's polling numbers are down and he has another war to plan - have to stoke that "Fear/Patriotic" fire now that the embers are starting to cool.

[July]

23. SINCE? What about 9/11 itself?

Bush's administration should have prevented THAT attack. Too bad Bush ignored Clinton administration warnings about terrorism. Too bad Cheney's task force on terrorism never met. Too bad Condi couldn't imagine planes hitting buildings or hear warnings from other countries. Too bad Ashcroft didn't listen to FBI whistleblowers. Too bad Bush was vacationing when the PDB warning that bin Laden was determined to strike in the U.S. was produced. Too bad he didn't act on that warning. Too bad jets weren't scrambled on 9/11 in a timely fashion. Too bad Lynn Cheney was dicking around with the TV while Dick was running the country (badly). Too bad Bunnypants was "getting out of harm's way." Too bad -- maybe he could have stopped or at least crippled the 9/11 attack.

In contrast, Clinton DID prevent the Milennium plot from being carried out, and his administration caught, tried, and jailed people involved in WTT attack #1, the Milennium plot, and the Oklahoma City bombing (and in that last case, executed one person).

Meanwhile, TSA is a failure, Homeland Security is a failure, the ports, nuke and chemical plants, and borders aren't secure, coalition countries are bailing, and the entire Muslim world is starting to hate us. Excuse me if I don't feel safer because we haven't had a huge attack again (yet). The anthrax attacks do qualify in my mind as terrorism, anyway.

That's how I'd respond.

[Toots]

25. Golly the Russians haven't launched a nuclear attack and the Martians

have not invaded. Boy is Bush* good. I feel so much safer since he came to power.

[salin]

26. ask about Ridge's admission

that raising 'alerts' of possible terrorism - was used as a political tool. That his staff often objected, but was overruled by the White House. If the White House was so busy trying to seriously keep us "safe" - why all the manipulation of public sentiment?

Also why on the domestic terrorism watch list (FBI, I believe) - are only left wing groups that have been known to damage property - not take lives listed, but those groups that have spurred actual domestic terrorist attacks that resulted in deaths - are somehow not on the list? Again, if they are so concerned about keeping us safe - why are they using politics instead of real threats?

[Cell Whitman]

27. Tell them they think like the British General....

For one thing the "Power of Nightmares" explained why, but I am sure there aren't many in the cult of Bush who will be allowed to accept any of that as fact because it is critical of the cult. (note "The Power of Nightmares" can viewed here - link on left side)

So, I'd just tell them they remind me of the British General in "Beyond a Iraq and a Hard Place"...

send them this - taped in May after the invasion.

Tell them they will be glad to know that a British General agrees with them, thinks like them, talks like them.

Tell them to slide the time bar to 12:50

Scroll down for Bremner, Bird & Fortune – BEYOND Iraq and a Hard Place
The follow-up to 'Between Iraq and a Hard Place' by Vera Productions
Again, well researched amazing satire.

[leftofthedial]

29. it is a myth that there has been no mainland terror since 9-11

anthrax terror attacks--still unsolved, despite deaths, the shutdown of congress, the disruption of mail service and attacks against prominent politicians.

Fatherland Security executed the bushturdgang's own terror attacks by artificially manipulating the alert level in order to create public fear. These terror alerts were false and politically motivated, according to Tom Ridge.

Dozens of acts of terrorism against women's clinics and gays by RW terrorists.

There was a great DU thread (that i can't find right now) on this a week or two ago.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

31. I would also remind them that...

there was, what? almost 10 years between the first attack on American soil by ME terrorists and the second attack on American soil. In other words, they don't have a history of cranking attacks out here in the US on a regular basis.

Their main targets through the years have always been -- and continues to be -- American intersts overseas.

[ieoeja]

32. A very concise answer.

1348 days after Pearl Harbor, Japan surrendered.
1355 days after 9/11/01, bin Laden is still free.

[AP]

33. Do we know he wasn't the reason we had one at all?

Apparently the outgoing Clinton WH begged him to do more to prevent an attack and Bush ignored their pleas and went on vacation for a year.

[fob]

35. After slapping them in the face the first answer is, "Shut up you fucking

idiot"

#2 - What about the anthrax attacks that happened after 9/11/01?

#3 - Slap them in the face again

#4 - That last slap was for you pissing on the 3000 dead on 9/11/01 that happened on bush*s watch for petty political purposes that aren't even true anyway.

#5 - Slap them again for reason #4 again

#6 - The direct answer to the question is NO, gwb has NOT prevented attacks on citizens of the US since 9/11/01 unless you are saying those fighting in our armed forces are not citizens. And if you are you're gonna wish I was only slapping you in the face. bush* SPECIFICALLY sent US citizens TO the "terrorists" so those US citizens could die there, rather than "fight them here". So climb down off your high-fucking-horse before I have to slap him too, and I don't want to do that because unlike you and your ilk, I respect animals.