Democrats Wall of Unity Is Cracking

[DemocracyInaction]

Two areas (and doesn't this make me sick)....

a) Blurb just moments ago on Bloomberg News said that the Dems wall of unity on social security is starting to crack.

b) Last week a Washington Post reporter remarked that the Dems had already backed down from the threat of bringing the Senate to a snail's pace if (or should I say 'when')the Repubs destroy the fillabuster and pass Bush's nominees to the bench. They will do a little slow down and scream that their bills should be brought before the Senate (wow, that will really make Frist and the Repubs tremble in their boots...)

Let's put it this way. I've been a staunch Democrat for over 40 years. I'm watching. I'm about one inch away from throwing in the towel. I feel like an abused wife who keeps giving her husband another chance because she is loyal to him and is sure he will come around and eventually change. After awhile you get sick of looking at your battered face in the mirrior and leave....

[C_U_L8R]

1. Fear Uncertainty Doubt (FUD)

Don't fall for it !!
It's a Rovian deception !

[notadmblnd]

2. I'd say it's just more RW propaganda

I've seen no evidence of this yet, if anything there is talk about the pretzledent backing offf on his private accounts scheme. So I'm willing to bet this is just another rovian trick to plant these so called cracks.

Remember, the RW claims that they create reality.

[still_one]

3. That is why it is time to stop messing around

let's see where everyone stands. Not just social security or the filibuster, but everything. Stem cell research, gay unions, healthcare, etc.

Then bring on 2006, because there will NOT be a doubt who stand where

[renaissanceguy]

4. Pure propaganda

designed to make us doubt ourselves and try less harder.

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.14741193

[blondeatlast]

9. The pity is that it obviously works on some. nt

[Stand and Fight]

5. Enough of the Gloom and Doom!

What the Democrats are doing in Congress is only helping to strengthen my resolve. Senators John Kerry, Robert Byrd, Edward Kennedy, and Frank Lautenberg gave superb speeches last week. I don't buy into this nonsense that all is lost or that I should "throw in the towel"! Enough of the defeatist talk already. To quote a great American patriot, "I have not yet begun to fight."

[GR]

6. The Bloomberg Story Says They Are UNIFIED...

against Bush's plan...that's what matters...they need not offer an alternative now...they have an alternative plan it's called SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY FROM BUSH...

As for the Washington Post and the "shut down" they will pick their options carefully, if they lose on the cheating nuclear option, but they will not shut down the government, only the Senate and they will have to demand something, that the nuclear option ruling be RECINDED AND DISAVOWED FOR THE FUTURE before things change...

I think there will be an 11th hour compromise of some sort which will at least kick the can down the road a bit...

[blondeatlast]

7. Bloomberg isn't exactly an ally.

Always, always, always consider the source.

[peacetalksforall]

8. You have to analyze who is saying what and figure out what the

writer's agenda is.

This morning they had the old team of right wing professionals call in to bash Dean.

Look at this way....we definitely need a hero candidate, but in the meantime, the cabal (PNAC, Fed Society, and all) know they are playing risky games of aggression, the take over of this country and all the oil regions, and their abuse of law. They need to conquer and attack on several levels. They have a successful history of attempting and succeeding to destroy people and character.

Dems have got to come out of their world of status quo and organize as an army just as the right has been organizing for years for this moment and a few to come.

On their plus side...their base is narrow...ceo's, military brass, bankers, and their wannabees, gun lovers, fetus lovers, traditionalists, and those elements that make up bigots and social aid haters. (On the negative side...they are always in the position of making them happy - that is what the judgeships are all about right now.)

The Dem base is very wide reaching - at the core it is people who love what America can be - freedom - the opposite of the right wing.

Know that the right wing is a war machine, an exquisitely orchestrated war machine and we can blame our leaders for thinking they were not that organized. They've been grooming editiors, jounalists, guest experts, and every level of civic employee for years.

The only way to fight them is either to organize as exquisitely as they are or be of one mind about freedom, voting, opportunity to rise, retaining the Bill of Rights. It means supporting Dean and Conyers and all the organizations who are organizing.

It doesn't eliminate voicing criticisms of our own.

[Double T]

10. To Leave The Democrats, Only Empowers The RW Futher..............

......and they succeed in having one more democrat sit on their hands and DO NOTHING; I don't think that is what you want !!!! I don't know anybody on our side that is not totally frustrated with the way things are and the way things are going. We need every single democrat, liberal and other like minded voter to stick together and vote these destructive RW Bastards out of office. If you look at our options in ending the scourge that has occurred in our government, it is the only choice that makes sense. We all need to continue to write or government officials and let them know what we think !!! I took off my ROSE COLORED glasses A long time ago.

[rhett o rick]

12. But to stay may mean we will be second place forever.

Do the Dem's believe the War is right or wrong? How many have spoken out publicly? If the Democratic Party thinks this Country is in a War that is wrong, they should yell it from the rooftops every day. Kerry was too wishee washee during the election. Was he for the War or not? The Dem's are letting us down. The War on Terrorism is a smoke screen for the real war between the rich & gullible, and the middle class moderates in this Country. Whose side are the Demo Congresspeople on?
When it comes right down to it, whose side are they on? Will they risk their jobs for us? If not then sticking with them is a losing cause.

[Double T]

18. Kerry Was A Poor Choice For The Democratic Candidate In The Last.......

....election, he did not have the personality to stand-up and fight against the RW thugs. THIS Democratic Party needs to change and I think we all have the fortitude to make it happen, we don't have another choice.

[rhett o rick]

28. I agree that the Party needs to change or new party time, but

Those in power in the Party are happy with status quo. So how do you change the Party?

[sam sarrha]

11. if Liberman and others dont stand sholder to sholder, kick them out of the

patry.. F'n NEOCON's dont need to be in the democratic party

[rhett o rick]

13. I agree. As George said, you either are for us or against us.

[Michael_Bush]

27. Kicking Lieberman and Zell Miller would send a great message

Democrats have been successfully painted as wishy washy spineless liberals.

We need to change that image and do it in a way that sends a clear message that us liberals STAND for something. Kicking Zell Miller out would certainly send a clear message that we take our politics seriously and it isn't like it is going to end our majority or anything!

It needs to be done in a way that looks decisive rather than petulant. Which is kind of hard after we voted for that damn bankruptcy bill. Still I think it is a concept that Dean needs to look at.

It would sure get the media talking about us!

[Gyre]

14. Consider the source

This is an effin Op Ed piece.

[Rowdyboy]

15. Total bullshit meant only to discourage us....Conisder your sources

before you throw yourself off a cliff in desperation. Democrats haven't backed-down on anything.

[seabeyond]

16. i dont know about ss, but if snail pace with filibuster

means shutting down government, hasnt the dem consistantly said they will not shut down government. that is not them caving. that is them saying they arent willing to shut down government

wasnt real clear on #2

[DemocracyInaction]

19. The Post reporter said

that they had already abandoned their plan to virtually bring the SENATE to a halt like they had threatened. Instead they will do a bit of a work slow down rquiring various points of order to be voted on, etc. And they will be real vocal insisting that the Senate tackle some of their (the Dem's) agenda items (which, of course, will have Frist rolling around the floor laughing at their demands). In other words, they are not going to go full out like they said they would. And, I said the Bloomberg item was a 'blurb'. No details about the 'crack' in the Dem's stance on Social Security. I do know that their 'blurbs' usually are very factual and later hit on other mainstream media because they are running a financial network where people are trying to get accurate info and then hedge their bets based on the info with their stock purchases. Soooo, I now would like to find out exactly what Dems they have been talking to and which ones are ready to play a little ball with Bush!!!

[seabeyond]

30. ok got all your points

what is "virtually bring senate to a halt". what is "going full out"

[Avalux]

17. Propoganda to scare us

that's all this is. If it turns out to be true though - and our Dem leaders cower under the pressure, then we - the people - will have to act and get rid of them.

[ray of light]

21. more propaganda, huh?

they do this because they know they can smear the dems and dems turn in a circle and shoot each other.

[Avalux]

22. No shooting here - actions speak louder than words

I'm waiting.

[ray of light]

23. lol--glad you're waiting and watching

But I notice at kos they shoot a lot. That's why I like it here better.

[Avalux]

24. Me too

Everyone would be better off if we paid more attention to actions that just what people say.

[rhett o rick]

20. Meaning no disrespect, Demo's have never had a wall of unity

[ClassWarrior]

25. You can't be very staunch if you're quitting because of Rovian propaganda.

"After awhile you get sick of looking at your battered face in the mirrior and leave..." Yeah, if you're a victim.

If you're a survivor, you stand your ground and fight.

NGU.

[Stand and Fight]

31. Damn straight.

NGU!

[DemsUnited]

26. Maybe, maybe not

Gotta believe there is NO WAY Dems are going to back away from a unified front on Social Security -- that's clearly a winning issue for them. The more the Shrub flags his particular plan, the more unpopular it becomes. That's not to say Dems won't support some kind of SS reform, just that the wall is solid against private accounts and trillion dollar price tags.

Now, bringing Senate business to a screeching halt is another story. I can see how some may be reluctant to expose themselves to charges of being obstructionist. Don't AGREE with it, but can understand how some Democratic Senators may worry how that kind of game would play to their constituents come the 2006 interim elections.

[Sick_of_Rethuggery]

29. Dont fall for the propaganda...

I know at least claim b) is absolutely false.

Becasue Reid addressed this. What the Dems are doing is pretty clever for Dems! They are walking back from the nail-able rhetoric of "slowing down" or "shutting down" the Senate. They are now reframing the issue as introducing their agenda into the Senate, defying the traditional courtesy of giving the majority the privilege of introducing bills.

(They do not do this as a regular affair because it is really pointless, since the House will never act on any Dem agenda and the Senate has a Rethug majority ensuring failure of the Dem agenda anyway. In essence then, this is "slowing down" the Senate; only the rhetoric has changed, do not worry!)

[desi826]

32. I don't like it. They should shut it down.

The public is on their side in this one.
If they go forward and kill the filibuster, Dems need to do something equally as dramatic in response.
They need to show Repubs they are NOT playing around on this.
I know they have already done it once, to show they are not scared to do it.
They should follow through.
Des

[leesa]

33. You can't take anything American MSM says at face value

Sounds like more media BS to me.