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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:25 PM
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Wolfie and CNN just now totally dismiss the Downing Street Memo.
Edited on Mon May-16-05 05:08 PM by flpoljunkie
Scotty McClellan said he "hadn't seen the memo", but said the report was "flat out wrong" and that the Bush administration had "tried to resolve the situation in a diplomatic manner."

Then, Wolfie pointed out that Dubya gets "critical backing" from John McCain who was on Dubya's commission that absolved the administration of any wrongdoing in the runup to the Iraq War plus McCain's assertion that the intelligence Dubya used was "not manipulated, simply wrong."

And, furthermore, CNN added, an investigation in Britain concluded that "Blair acted in good faith."
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In other words, ends of discussion, case closed, American people. And, by the way, get over it, Bush won the election.

And this is what we have to contend with in this country--a media that not only does not do it's job, it covers for Dubya--the Emperor with No Clothes--who needs a lot of ass covering, by the way, but the media, as always, continues to prove they are more than up to the job. Shameful and disgusting!
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Langis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:27 PM
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1. Never mind that Blare acknowledged the memo and didn't refute any of it...
We are doomed... DOOMED I say!


No really this sucks, it's almost hopeless.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:01 PM
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30. We need to protest cnn
in Atlanta by the Millions!
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:28 PM
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2. Disgusting and typical.
Your sumation was spot on.

At least we have each other here at DU. At least we can say we are not deluded, in denial, lying to ourselves. That's a cold comfort but better than none.

That's about the only good news I see today.

I HATE BEING LIED TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:29 PM
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3. They had MCain, Blair and Bush playing smokescreen
Edited on Mon May-16-05 04:30 PM by oxbow
All we have is a soundbite by Conyers. Given that, I think it was as good as we're gonna get. Hopefully, it will wake up a few more people as to what's going on. They did mention that the PM's office neither confirmed or denied that the minutes were authentic. That is a confirmation to anyone who would think about this for more than 30 seconds that it's real.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:30 PM
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4. It floors me how the media lets Bush off the hook
on matters of great significance while trying to turn every little thing Clinton did into a major scandal. :mad:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:32 PM
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5. John Conyers was interviewed for this show....What happened? Are
you sure he isn't coming up to refute what Blitzer said? :shrug:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:32 PM
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6. Is there ONE person here that still believes CNN is a real news service?
They are just the perfect Public Relations Dept. for BushInc. and his fascist cronies because of their former reputation as a hard news source.

The way the media is handling this memo is the ultimate proof that they are in the business to cover for everything Bush does.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:32 PM
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7. Maybe we should send the memo to Scotty en masse! What
a lying dipshit!
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:40 PM
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8. But yet...
This Newsweek thing gets splashed all over the headlines.
We have a president who has clearly committed crimes against the Constitution and we have this media whitewash. It just makes me furious!

:grr:
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:42 PM
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9. Those lying sacks of you-know-what! n/t
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:43 PM
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10. Impeach the mother fucker and tax the fuck out of the lieing media
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:45 PM
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11. lying
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zoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:46 PM
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12. Manipulating the news for their neo-con agenda...
They manipulated the media for WMD's to get us into this war and now they leaked a Koran story using a government official to get the draft reinstated...What's worse is they use the MSM that are most critical of their policies destroying their credibility...killing two birds with one stone. These guys are good but I remind you that it works both ways. Our elected Dems should take a lesson from this. It's time for you guys to start a media war on BushCo.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:48 PM
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13. Saw that.....
Edited on Mon May-16-05 04:49 PM by FrenchieCat
McCain has spoken. That's the end of all of that.

Sometimes they wait until they get just the right spin.

CNN is great at this..... to the unknowing eye!
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:48 PM
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14. Total Information Dominance welcome to America

Does it matter to them if your perception has nothing to do with reality? No it helps them!

http://benumbment.blogspot.com/
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:50 PM
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15. That's fine with me. I dismissed the bearded freak years ago.
Edited on Mon May-16-05 04:50 PM by Feeney2
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:52 PM
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16. Blitzer's contact into
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?8

Talking points:

Fails to mention that the Presidential Commision McCain was on was not authorized to determine whether intelligence was manipulated by the administration in the run-up to Iraq (This newxscast says they were IIRC).

Paul O'Neil and other former White House insiders (help me out with names guys!) confirm the contents of the minutes. Namely, the war with Iraq was a foregone conclusion, and the facts indeed were being ficxed around a preplanned policy.

50% of the American public believe that we were misled in the runup to war by the * Admin, according to a recent gallup poll. (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000894970)

Feel free to add on y'all.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:53 PM
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17. Okay...I watched the video and it isn't quite what you say...They DID show
Conyer's clip but agree it was a two to one match. Still...given that the American People know nothing...it was a beginning. That reporter Brian Todd was clenching his jaw...either because he's in on the "cover up" and was proud to to trashing Conyers OR because he want's the story out and is angry with his producer.

I wish you had mentioned that there was a Conyer's clip because your report is so discouraging to most who couldn't see it. I hope everyone will watch the segment on video. I'm "dial up" so it took about five minutes to download so I could see Conyers.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 05:01 PM
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18. I was taking notes and missed the Conyer's segment.
You might ask yourself why is it that Conyers is the only Democrat who is asking these questions about the Downing Street Memo.

I still submit that the upshot of this CNN segment on the Downing Street Memo was case closed, get over it.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 05:14 PM
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19. Top Dems remain silent about this.
Why?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 05:15 PM
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20. CNN isn't God, though. And, those who still believe it's the only way to
get news will be continually discouraged because they report to only the most brainless sheeple what they think they need to hear.

I used to trust them...years ago, but then figured out that "dumbing down" is what they do best.

I'm sorry if I sounded critical of your report. I think if I had watched it from TV, I would have been so discouraged I would have posted what you did because Conyer's segment was so short and the "Gang Bang" was so strong against him.

I just wanted to point out that watching the video on my computer, I fel the fact that they showed Conyers at all was a good thing, and that they mentioned both critics were Bush's Press Secretary and Repug McCain does stand out in the report...but the Blair part was dreadful...totally supported Blair and let him off the hook, thereby letting Chimp off.

Still, Dems watching had to see Conyers and hear that 89 House Members asked Bush questions. I guess I'm happy for "crumbs." :shrug:

Thanks for posting this, though. I thought folks forgot about it and since many of us don't watch CNN it's always good to have a DU thread going about what they say.

koko
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 05:23 PM
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21. That Conyers was included at all is commendable, but it reminds us that
Conyers is alone in leading this fight when all Democratic leaders should be involved. That they are not speaks volumes.

I do feel that it is significant that CNN is trying to stomp on the Downing Street Memo--even if their ratings are "in the toilet"--perhaps I should not use that phrase. You can imagine what the Fox viewers must be hearing from their "fair and balanced" commentators. I can only imagine, as I do not watch Faux News.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 05:38 PM
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22. Well.....not being a "Faux" watcher, also...I imagine they didn't bother
Edited on Mon May-16-05 05:40 PM by KoKo01
with it. I would be interesting to know, though, just to guage how seriously Rove/Cheney take the "Memo" to be. If Rove is having a "hissy fit" then Faux will follow CNN..."nothing to see here...move along." If they don't cover it then they think we Dems are wimps and will roll over.

I don't have the guts to check Faux, but maybe some of the DU'ers who watch them will post.

Anyway, Conyers is doing the best he can. Where are our Senators who should be really angry they were lied to about "Iraq Resolution." I have a post asking if anyone has spoken out about it on the Senate side here in DU.... Last I checked, it seemed no one had heard a Senator speak out. What about ALL our CANDIDATES who ran on the War Resolution.
Shouldn't they be pissed? Or, maybe they are sitting back and "diplomatically" waiting to see what comes of it all before they chime in.

:shrug:
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 05:59 PM
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23. Perhaps it is reality, am sorry to say. They know without media support,
nothing will happen--and they are probably right.

That doesn't make it right. It is really sad for our democracy.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 06:03 PM
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24. Wolfie's been Armstronged, believe me.
Him and Howie Kurtz. Armstronged. Wonder what their price was. I hear journalists/newsreaders go cheap these days.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 07:55 PM
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25. Howie has that Repug PR Wife, now Blitzer....we don't even know if he is
married, has childen or feel off the Turnip Truck back During Gulf War I and landed in the Penatagon where CNN plucked him out to be their new STAR.

I think Blitzer must have an interesting history and interesting connections. And, that no one mentions the backgrounds of these Media folks is always suspicious to me. Given that our Dem Candidates are gone over and picked apart back to when they took their first breath.

yet...the media who reports on people doesn't divulge it's own backgrounds...warts and all. A "code of silence?" :eyes:
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 08:02 PM
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26. in-fucking-credible...
after 5-11 everything is possible...we are seeing a MASSIVE DIS-INFORMATION campaign going on right now using the corp media...ppl are sleeping on some HISTORIC issues right now...its scary.

i'm starting to lose all hope...i need a hero.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 08:31 PM
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27. Folks, please, don't give into cynicism and despair.
We are at the FRONT of this impeach bush thing. The best analogy I can give you is June 1972 when Nixon's White House called the Watergate break-in a "third rate burglary". And that's exactly what it looked like to 99.9999% of Americans who didn't know the truth. Thank God for Woodward, Bernstein and others who looked into it, found out the truth, and then kept pushing it. Yes, I know things are very different now than in 1972, but to give up is to accept the Third Reich here in a business suit.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:10 PM
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31. Now we need OUR
woodward and Bernstein!

Come on Carl baby..where are you?!
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 08:34 PM
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28. This one has a long European shelf life and will bubble up inconveniently
Edited on Mon May-16-05 08:35 PM by Phoebe Loosinhouse
over and over again as they hash it out in England.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 09:00 PM
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29. woofie dismisses everything about
bush..all that's left is the chimperor butt nekid chomping on bananas!
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 10:30 PM
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32. old news, CNN is part of the problem, enough already...
they have puny viewership, you should stop bothering giving them any. i'd care more if abc, cbs, or nbc nightly evening news decided to post such crap.

scream and moan if you want to CNN, but realize you are making appeals to war criminals on the level of Goebbels. stop wasting your time and just keep telling everyone you know about this and print out copies of the memo to hand out. you already should've known cable news media is designed to lie, it is the propaganda machine for the 4th reich, who cares harping on that point anymore (unless this is the first time you realized it). ignore them and their piddly 1 million misinformed viewers -- hell, i think half of that million are progressives who have a masochistic desire to raise their blood pressure.

just stop watching. laugh derisively at anyone in real life who cites cable news as an information source. print copies of the memo, bolding and highlighting the damning parts, and post it on a street pole, or bulletin board. life's too short wasting your time with obvious evils.
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