Don't call it Iraq. Call it VietNam...

[ClassWarrior]

...and then when somebody corrects you, wave your hand and say, "Yeah, same thing."

:evilgrin:

NGU.

[Smarmie Doofus]

1. In the case of VN, there was outspoken opposition in the senate:

Morse, Fulbright, Gruening, McGovern, McCarthy, lots of others; The current crew of pusillaminous pipsqueaks just voted 100 to zero to refund the war.

This is the "opposition". Good god.

[DemoTex]

5. Don't forget Teddy Kennedy ...

His eloquent speech on the floor of the U.S. Senate right after the Battle of Ap Bai ("Hamburger Hill" in the A Shau valley) is considered by many as a turning point for the anti-war movement.

[Smarmie Doofus]

8. Kennedy, yes. And RFK and, for that matter...

Gore Sr., Bayh ., Church, and as the war went on, pretty much the whole Dem caucus outside the south plus a few brave republicans, ( esp.Hatfield).

Has anyone in the current congress even proposed a *timetable* to cut off funding?

[ClassWarrior]

6. The theme of this thread is reframing the debate.

Please take your negativity elsewhere.

NGU.

[JRob]

22. KICK ! If it's not obvious that there's no REAL help from politicians...

wake up! With the exception of a few exceptionally dedicated and conscientious, most merely do what's necessary to pacify.

We need to take control of the debate and stop waiting for Gidot! If we make it hot enough, the politicians will follow...

[welshTerrier2]

2. Don't call it Vietnam ...

call it Iran ... "Yeah, same thing."

[Botany]

3. No call it bush's war to produce terrorists.

I live in Ohio and a platoon of marines from Ohio just got wiped out.
It is starting to hit home. The mayor of Columbus has a son in that
squad, no word yet if he is OK.

This war is unwinnable and stupid,

http://www.thousandreasons.org/get_article.php?article_id=54

:banghead:

[slor]

4. "Don't call it VietNam, call it StalingNam..."

Because it will be as catastrophic as Stalingrad was to the Germans, and because it was based on lies like VietNam. And when someone corrects you, wave your hands and say, "fuck off".

[cestpaspossible]

7. 'Vietnam, I mean Iraq'

[ClassWarrior]

16. Yeah, but don't correct yourself right away...

You can call it Vietnam a good two, three, maybe four times before you get corrected. Then you deliver the punchline.

NGU.

[Neshanic]

9. I do say that. It shuts Freeper types up very fast,

[mtnsnake]

10. Call it Vietnam if you want, but until we're all willing to protest in the

streets in the form of peace marches, like they did during the Vietnam War, it won't matter if you call it Vietnam or VietSham. The only way we'll ever make a dent is to get out of our office chairs, get together, and make some peaceful noise outside.

[ClassWarrior]

11. So my form of protest is worthless? Only yours is worthwhile?

Or are they BOTH worthwhile?

NGU.

[mtnsnake]

14. Nope, I didn't mean that at all. I apologize if you took it that way

In fact, I like your OP and I think it's a good suggestion and an idea that we should all follow up on. It's one more positive idea that will help.

I'm simply frustrated that we're not doing enough, and by not enough I mean we're not getting out there in numbers to protest this bullshit war in the streets like they did in the days of Vietnam.

Once again, I apologize for coming off in a way that took away from your OP.

I sincerely appreciate your suggestion in the OP and look forward to hearing more of them. There can never be enough good suggestions.

BTW, I plan on taking your advice in the Iraq/Vietnam analogy.

[ClassWarrior]

15. Thanks. It's sad to say, but I don't think we'll have...

...the kind of street protest that you (and I) want till our children start getting drafted. That was the real fuel to the fire during VietNam.

NGU.

[JRob]

23. Here, here ! n/t

[Beacho]

12. Too subtle for a bumper sticker

But I like to call it 'The American Raj'.


It reminds me more of that period than Vietnam, in it's larger scope.

[ClassWarrior]

13. Doesn't matter what it more closely resembles, we need to connect it...

...with the war seen my the majority of Americans as an immoral mistake. VietNam.

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

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[ClassWarrior]

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[Dr Fate]

18. When talking about it "accidently" say "...Vietna...errr,I mean Iraq..."

I do it all the time too!

[mtnsnake]

20. Here's another way we can say it: Iraqnam

[Dr Fate]

21. "Iraq" is Arabic for "Vietnam." n/t

n/t

[carpetbagger]

19. It's worse than Vietnam.

In Vietnam, when we saw the writing on the wall, we had the NVA and communists to turn the country over to. They were tyrants and oppressors, but they were in fact a functioning government.

We've got the wolf by the ears in Iraq. If we pull out, mass anarchy will ensue.

[ClassWarrior]

24. Doesn't matter which is worse for these purposes.

The name "Vietnam" is synonymous with "bloody mistake," "quagmire," and "dead children for lies" in the minds of most American people. We need to activate those connections to Iraq.

NGU.

[thebigidea]

25. as if it isn't anarchy now...

[carpetbagger]

It's controlled anarchy.

We have enough control that large-scale operations against the puppet government can't take place. Some areas have relative calm, and the bloodshed on the Kurd-Sunni line is low.

What I'm talking about is anarchy of the order of Rwanda and Somalia.

[carpetbagger]

27. duplicate

[Toots]

28. If we pull out, mass anarchy will ensue.

In the first place I doubt your assumption and in the second place what is happening over there now?