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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:16 PM
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NEW WEBSITE: www.downingstreetmemo.com


I posted the following in another thread last night, but thought I'd post it in this forum hoping to get more viewers:

Currently under construction that is a result of one of the dKos diaries ( http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/11/9395/32841 ) mentioned at the politicalgateway.com link upthread:

http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/index.html

Don't forget to check each of the navigation links, especially the "Why Care" as it gives some facts about details of the Memo and compares it to what * said. You may find those useful if you need some facts when confronted by the skeptical.

Keep in mind this website is just now beginning, but you might want to bookmark it for future reference.


It is now officially launched, per dKos diary:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/5/13/162016/251

Georgia10:

There is still much work to be done. Getting the truth to the American people is paramount, and this website is the first step.

If the media won't do the job, let's show them how it's done...
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:27 PM
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1. Kicked and recommended.
Good resource info here. I'm copying this over to the Five Star Thread for easy reference. Thanks for posting this! :)
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:37 PM
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3. Me too. Plus, fride calimary is delishuss.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:36 PM
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2. Excellent site. Kicked & recommended.
Petition signed.

:kick:
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 04:47 PM
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4. My My, that graphic would make a lovely newspaper ad.. n/m
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 05:33 PM
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5. WONDERFUL!! I want to see that memo graphic on billboards, everywhere!
Thanks for this. The light is beginning to break through the darkness, I do believe.

I DU BELIEVE!
:toast:
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 06:23 PM
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6. thanks , I am sending this letter to all Senators
I am writing today to implore you to do something about President Bush and his tactics for going to Iraq immediately and stop the use of all depleted uranium weapons.
The memo that was leaked 13 days ago, begs for immediate action against President Bush and his entire Administration.
By Greg Palast

Here it is. The smoking gun. The memo that has "IMPEACH HIM" written all over it.

The top-level government memo marked "SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL," dated eight months before Bush sent us into Iraq, following a closed meeting with the President, reads, "Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam through military action justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

Read that again: "The intelligence and facts were being fixed...."

For years, after each damning report on BBC TV, viewers inevitably ask me, "Isn't this grounds for impeachment?" -- vote rigging, a blind eye to terror and the bin Ladens before 9-11, and so on. Evil, stupidity and self-dealing are shameful but not impeachable. What's needed is a "high crime or misdemeanor."

And if this ain't it, nothing is.

The memo uncovered this week by the Times, goes on to describe an elaborate plan by George Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair to hoodwink the planet into supporting an attack on Iraq knowing full well the evidence for war was a phony.

snip------
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=426&row=0


SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL - UK EYES ONLY
DAVID MANNING
From: Matthew Rycroft
Date: 23 July 2002
S 195 /02

cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell

IRAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY

Copy addressees and you met the Prime Minister on 23 July to discuss Iraq.

This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.

John Scarlett summarised the intelligence and latest JIC assessment. Saddam's regime was tough and based on extreme fear. The only way to overthrow it was likely to be by massive military action. Saddam was worried and expected an attack, probably by air and land, but he was not convinced that it would be immediate or overwhelming. His regime expected their neighbours to line up with the US. Saddam knew that regular army morale was poor. Real support for Saddam among the public was probably narrowly based.

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military
snip----
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=426&row=0

Depleted Uranium Weapons use has to be stopped immediately, the use of these weapons is a War Crime.
Look at the pictures on this link I provide and know this is happening to American children as well, just not in as great of numbers as Iraqi children.

These mid-wives are purported to have said they no longer look forward to births as.... "We don't know what's going to come out."
http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html

"You Must be the Change you Wish to see in the world"
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
http://www.gandhiproject.org/project/project.html

Sincerely,
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 08:14 PM
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7. Excellent
"Justified by the linking of terrorism and WMD" makes my stomach sink. That people don't care, or are apathetic or hopeless (I'm that some days) but man, don't we hate being USED?

I hate that we were USED. It burns me. Used your FEAR and grief over 9/11-which only makes me suspect even more-logically-it's logical to assume they lie about one thing and use one thing-about 9/11 too.

This is power unchecked. It's so ugly. So ugly.

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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 11:03 PM
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8. A kick for the late night crowd
and if I don't see you on another thread this weekend...

Have a great one!

:yourock:
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MassLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 11:11 PM
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9. great site
thanks!
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 12:57 AM
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10. Big Kick-a-roo! nt
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 03:40 AM
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11. This is great...
bookmarked and kicked.:kick:
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 05:55 AM
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12. e-mail the graphic to everyone you know
-kick-
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 10:23 PM
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13. ....
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 09:09 AM
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14. kick
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 10:13 AM
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15. kicked...
check out this site!!!
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RobertDevereaux Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 10:27 AM
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16. Correct the spelling of "misled" in the graphic...
...then take this to town!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:35 AM
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17. .
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:14 PM
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18. .
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:12 PM
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19. .
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 08:49 PM
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23. .
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 10:37 PM
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 11:46 PM
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25. I just now see that the main graphic was taken down
Edited on Mon May-16-05 12:02 AM by Terre
from the homepage, and I'm not sure why. I'm waiting for her answer, but it may be awhile.

In the meantime, the letter graphic is here (from the Take Action page):
http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/imagebank.html

and the word is now "misled" - though I think that was changed almost immediately IIRC - I could be wrong.

In the meantime folks, do check out Paul Krugmann's Op/Ed over at the NYT:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/16/opinion/16krugman.html?hp

edit: The image I have in my OP was the very 1st one that I uploaded to my own image server. Obviously it was too late to edit when the new one posted.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:39 PM
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20. For those of us with meetings immediately
where we could get the info out, it would be helpful to have an updated (intelligence is mispelled also) version of the graphic--
OR a one page fact sheet, possibly with more text and quotes. The web site has a lot of info, but nothing concise and ready to hand out to folks in person.

If anyone creates one, maybe it could be posted here.

:hi:
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:57 PM
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21. PROOF Here's the evidence
bush & blair lied and conspired to deceive the american people

We demand some answers on this!!!

GREAT SITE
:kick:
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 04:09 PM
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22. Here's a copy of the letter I sent to the local media
And my Senator

TO: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]

If you have not been informed by now, during the recent British election a secret document was released. This document, confirmed by to be authentic, was the minutes of a top intelligence meeting. In this meeting, which took place in 2002, it describes how
 
1.) The Bush administration was "fixing" facts to justify their iraq policy.
2.) How they were going to time the talks of the war to 30 days before the 2002 election.
3.) How the Attorney-General said that "the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action."
 
Remember, these are not opinions, they are descriptions of the meeting. It also backs up what many insiders have been saying about how the Bush administration and the war. That is why I find this piece of news to be quite important. The first statement about "fixing" the facts, taken by itself, could possibly be spun as inaccurate. Taken in context with the rest of the memo, the extremely faulty intelligence, the Office of Special Plans set up by Rumsfeld to "re-analyze" our intelligence, Richard Clarke's statements on the matter. George Tenet's, Colin Powell's, and Condoleeza Rices statements on Iraq pre-invasion where they flatly stated Iraq was not a threat, and numerous other dealings one could honestly describe as "shady" around the Iraq war, and you can start to see my concern and belief that this is an important matter which deserves honest attention and investigations into the pre-war intelligence.

The following is the complete text of the memo As originally reported in the The Times of London, May 1, 2005
 
SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL - UK EYES ONLY
DAVID MANNING
From: Matthew Rycroft
Date: 23 July 2002
S 195 /02
cc: Defence Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Attorney-General, Sir Richard Wilson, John Scarlett, Francis Richards, CDS, C, Jonathan Powell, Sally Morgan, Alastair Campbell
IRAQ: PRIME MINISTER'S MEETING, 23 JULY
Copy addressees and you met the Prime Minister on 23 July to discuss Iraq.
This record is extremely sensitive. No further copies should be made. It should be shown only to those with a genuine need to know its contents.
John Scarlett summarised the intelligence and latest JIC assessment. Saddam's regime was tough and based on extreme fear. The only way to overthrow it was likely to be by massive military action. Saddam was worried and expected an attack, probably by air and land, but he was not convinced that it would be immediate or overwhelming. His regime expected their neighbours to line up with the US. Saddam knew that regular army morale was poor. Real support for Saddam among the public was probably narrowly based.
C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.
CDS said that military planners would brief CENTCOM on 1-2 August, Rumsfeld on 3 August and Bush on 4 August.
The two broad US options were:
(a) Generated Start. A slow build-up of 250,000 US troops, a short (72 hour) air campaign, then a move up to Baghdad from the south. Lead time of 90 days (30 days preparation plus 60 days deployment to Kuwait).
(b) Running Start. Use forces already in theatre (3 x 6,000), continuous air campaign, initiated by an Iraqi casus belli. Total lead time of 60 days with the air campaign beginning even earlier. A hazardous option.
The US saw the UK (and Kuwait) as essential, with basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus critical for either option. Turkey and other Gulf states were also important, but less vital. The three main options for UK involvement were:
(i) Basing in Diego Garcia and Cyprus, plus three SF squadrons.
(ii) As above, with maritime and air assets in addition.
(iii) As above, plus a land contribution of up to 40,000, perhaps with a discrete role in Northern Iraq entering from Turkey, tying down two Iraqi divisions.
The Defence Secretary said that the US had already begun "spikes of activity" to put pressure on the regime. No decisions had been taken, but he thought the most likely timing in US minds for military action to begin was January, with the timeline beginning 30 days before the US Congressional elections.
The Foreign Secretary said he would discuss this with Colin Powell this week. It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force.
The Attorney-General said that the desire for regime change was not a legal base for military action. There were three possible legal bases: self-defence, humanitarian intervention, or UNSC authorisation. The first and second could not be the base in this case. Relying on UNSCR 1205 of three years ago would be difficult. The situation might of course change.
The Prime Minister said that it would make a big difference politically and legally if Saddam refused to allow in the UN inspectors. Regime change and WMD were linked in the sense that it was the regime that was producing the WMD. There were different strategies for dealing with Libya and Iran. If the political context were right, people would support regime change. The two key issues were whether the military plan worked and whether we had the political strategy to give the military plan the space to work.
On the first, CDS said that we did not know yet if the US battleplan was workable. The military were continuing to ask lots of questions.
For instance, what were the consequences, if Saddam used WMD on day one, or if Baghdad did not collapse and urban warfighting began? You said that Saddam could also use his WMD on Kuwait. Or on Israel, added the Defence Secretary.
The Foreign Secretary thought the US would not go ahead with a military plan unless convinced that it was a winning strategy. On this, US and UK interests converged. But on the political strategy, there could be US/UK differences. Despite US resistance, we should explore discreetly the ultimatum. Saddam would continue to play hard-ball with the UN.
John Scarlett assessed that Saddam would allow the inspectors back in only when he thought the threat of military action was real.
The Defence Secretary said that if the Prime Minister wanted UK military involvement, he would need to decide this early. He cautioned that many in the US did not think it worth going down the ultimatum route. It would be important for the Prime Minister to set out the political context to Bush.
Conclusions:
(a) We should work on the assumption that the UK would take part in any military action. But we needed a fuller picture of US planning before we could take any firm decisions. CDS should tell the US military that we were considering a range of options.
(b) The Prime Minister would revert on the question of whether funds could be spent in preparation for this operation.
(c) CDS would send the Prime Minister full details of the proposed military campaign and possible UK contributions by the end of the week.
(d) The Foreign Secretary would send the Prime Minister the background on the UN inspectors, and discreetly work up the ultimatum to Saddam.
He would also send the Prime Minister advice on the positions of countries in the region especially Turkey, and of the key EU member states.
(e) John Scarlett would send the Prime Minister a full intelligence update.
(f) We must not ignore the legal issues: the Attorney-General would consider legal advice with FCO/MOD legal advisers.
(I have written separately to commission this follow-up work.)
MATTHEW RYCROFT
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 05:59 AM
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26. kick !!!!!!!!!!!! nt
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 08:25 AM
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27. I second that emotion...
:kick:

NGU.


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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 05:37 PM
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 06:55 PM
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29. kick nt
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