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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:17 PM
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What's the most liberal state in the country?
I'm interested in your opinion.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:21 PM
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1. CA, MA, HI, WA, and soon...
the other 46 !!! :headbang:
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itcfish1 Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:05 AM
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24. NY
You forgot Poland, I mean NY LOL
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:25 PM
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2. Canada? Just kidding.
Nah, I was just reminded of what Malcolm X said in one of his speeches, making the point of the futility of comparing the North and the South in terms of conditions for Black Americans, "Long as you're south of the Canadian border, you're South!"
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:43 AM
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13. Off topic: Is that Coleman Young in your avatar?
Just curious. :)
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:40 PM
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30. You are correctamundo!
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:29 PM
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3. MA
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Joebert Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:31 PM
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4. #49/50 = Colorado. :-(
50 has to be Texas.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:33 PM
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5. I thought Colorado was changing...
?? :shrug: ..Or at least to some degree.. huh..

BTW.. How cool is it that Montana is now dubbed "Blue Montana" :kick:

Whodda Thunkit? ;) :)
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Joebert Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:55 PM
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9. People mistakenly thought we changed because Salazar beat Coors
Salazar, after voting for the Bankruptcy Bill, showed that he's just a Republican in a blue tie.

Add to that, Focus on the Family, and you see we're not the most progressive of states.

My US Rep is Musgrave. ack.

My state Rep is Jim "unopposed" Welker, who decided to announce a month back that homosexuality wasn't far from beastiality.

We're not doing so hot.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:33 PM
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6. Mass
or Vermont.
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:34 PM
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7. MA, CA, WA
In that order.

Gyre
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:35 PM
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8. My guess would be Oregon.
It is the only state progressive enough to entertain the thought of assisted suicide.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:26 AM
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12. Oregon is progressive but with a strong libertarian streak
There have been several successful anti-tax ballot initiatives in recent years.

This rugged individualist mentality makes tax revolt and legalization of assisted suicide oddly compatible in the Oregon political landscape.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:03 AM
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20. You can be a libertarian without being a "rugged individualist"
And you can believe that taxation goes disproportionately to waste, war, keeping certain social structures sound (to protect the rich), pork, etc. -- and you can believe that taxes either on a local level, or not at all could be better for your community.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:46 AM
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26. Agreed on all points.
Liberalism isn't necessarily about the amount of money the government spends but about how it's spent.

I'm not sure that's what's driven the recent tax revolts in Oregon, however.
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:02 AM
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22. .
Edited on Mon May-09-05 10:07 AM by DemGirl7
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SophieZ Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:11 AM
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10. Ha, that's easy. What state voted less than 10% for Bush?
Edited on Mon May-09-05 12:12 AM by SophieZ
As one of the stunning maps showed that came out after the November election, it's not really about blue states and red states. It's about urban vs. rural. Urban areas vote blue. Rural areas vote red. So, think of the most urban state.

The place that voted for Kerry 89.2%, and Bush 9.3%.

You don't remember that place?

Well ..... District of Columbia.

Yeah, it's not exactly a state.

And, it's not really allowed to govern itself. Nor does it have any Senators. At least it gets to vote for Prez.

Seat of democracy, yeah, right. But, the captains of democracy don't much like the idea of black folk voting, especially in large numbers.

MA voted for Kerry, its own Senator, by 62%.

Of course, there are many other ways to try to answer the question, but this is a numeric one.

For the tallies of all states, see http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922901.html

Bear in mind that they are just tallies, not necessarily actual votes counted, because we can't verify them.....
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:52 AM
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15. DC is undoubtedly the most most loyal to the Democrats.
But Massachusetts gave Kerry his best percentage among the 50 states; it was the only state to break the 60% mark. He whupped Bush's ass but good there.

His top five were:

DC: 89.18%
MA: 61.94%
RI: 59.42%
VT: 58.94%
NY: 58.37%

The list has stayed pretty consistent; here's Gore's top five:

DC: 85.16%
RI: 60.99%
NY: 60.21%
MA: 59.80%
MD: 56.57%

Here's Clinton's from 1996:

DC: 85.19%
MA: 61.47%
RI: 59.71%
NY: 59.47%
HI: 56.93%

The trend was even showing back when LBJ was giving AuH20 a good what-for in '64:

DC: 85.50%
RI: 80.87%
HI: 78.76%
MA: 76.19%
ME: 68.84%
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:48 AM
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27. Maybe people in DC know something
the rest of us don't!
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:18 AM
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11. I suppose Maryland..
would fall in line with the term "blue state" (as would DC).. just not one of the "most liberal" ~~~ :headbang:
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:47 AM
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14. It SHOULD be DC. Kerry won here 90% to 9.
I'm not holding my breath for statehood anytime soon, though.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:53 AM
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16. Statehood would mean two more Dem Senators
and one more Dem Representative.

So no, don't hold your breath.
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ProgressiveDepot.com Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:49 AM
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19. DC has a higher population than Wyoming
And isn't far behind Alaska, North Dakota, Vermont. Either give em statehood or fold em in to another state, but the taxation without representation seems plainly wrong and against this country's ideals (which are being trampled upon in many other ways of course so I won't hold my breath).
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 07:26 AM
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17. Not MA
MA has had republican governors since 1990.

MA has more voters registered as independents/unenrolled than registered as democrats. In MA IMO, republicans register as unenrolled/independents.

MA is not that liberal, particularly on pocket book issues.

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DFLer4edu Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:14 AM
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18. Mass and MN
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:06 AM
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21. Vermont
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:03 AM
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23. California
still leads the country in pioneering legislation
IMO.
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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:42 AM
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25. Yeah, I know CT has Lieberman, but...
- The state's replacement Republican governor, Jodi Rell, is the one who actually sign the civil union bill into law WITHOUT court prompting (which leads me to believe, maybe 60-70 years from now, that what Bob Dole called the "Party of Lincoln" will be called the "Party of Rell".

- The highest profile CT Republican Congressman is Chris Shays, who's been taking on Delay (even CT's Republicans act like Democrats)

- The state's AG, Richard Blumenthal, is taking on BushCo over the non-funding (and thus illegal by it's wording) of "No Child Left Behind". Sec'y Spellings actually called him Unamerican which, considering the source wouldn't know "American" if it came up to her and...well, you know the rest.


and my favorite, CT actually put Republican leaders in jail (Mayor Giordano, Gov. Rowland) when they break the law!
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:01 PM
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28. Mass
Yes, it elects Republican governors, but true liberals aren't zealots who will choose an abysmal Democratic candidate over a passable Republican. It's a Yankee thing. Yankees have an ingrained social contract that is very strong. Besides, Mass voters know the governor's seat is local. Control of the legislature and the Congressional bloc is far more important to them.

The western liberal states are far more libertarian in their liberalism WA and OR are fairly liberal, but CA really isn't --- it's got S.F., the most liberal metropolitan area in the country, but statewide it really isn't that liberal. The other major metropolitan areas skew conservative, although there are pockets of liberal thinking throughout the state. Again, it's western libertarian liberalism for the most part.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:03 PM
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29. MA, RI and NY, judging by voting patterns. n/t
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:53 PM
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31. All I know, my friend, is that you and I don't live there!
Thanks for asking the question, though. This is an interesting thread.
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