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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 04:34 PM
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Bush is an idiot. Cherry Picking the truth with comments on FDR.
Please.

America didn't go to ward to stop Hitler when he attacked and controlled all of 'old Europe' to begin with. Except for FDR and a few others were the only ones who did want to do the right thing. SO WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY STAY AFTER TO WAR TO SAVE 'EASTERN EUROPE' FROM SOME UNKNOWN FATE? USA stayed out of war with Hitler while about 10 European countries (FRANCE, Belgium, Poland, Netherlands, Sweden, Austria, Slovakia, etc.). USA stayed out of that war for 2 whole years and only joined in once attacked.

So was American all of a sudden going to keep going and save all of eastern Europe after the danger to the USA was over with?

Get real!

America - the people - had no stomach for putting their own balls on the line in Europe until they had too. (The European countries were the same..they kept putting their heads in the sand where Hitler was concerned before the war).

Bush is Cherry Picking this Yalta issue. How come America wanted peace? Duh? They had to be attacked to get into the war in the first place! They wouldn't even step in to try and save old Europe... why they hell would they - the American people - care about 'new Europe'.

Don't let Bush re-frame things for you.

Whatever Bush says - go and read up on the history of the whole thing. All & his speech-writers do Bush does is Cherry Pick. They covet FDR because they are a cabal of covetous sociopaths and are angry and jealous that FDR is so beloved. And their grandiosity has forced them into a situation where they have to replace him with their own dam image of greatness. They are ill.

FDR worked tirelessly to try and get Americans engaged in WWII because it was the right thing to do (to save old Europe). He had no help from AMERICANS in that regard. And relations with the Soviet Union were very, very good at the time of WWII ending. Stalin had not started with human rights abuses and spying on America's arms and bombs to the degree he did after the war.

Bush is such a little twit.

Just a reminder: WWII started in Sept 1939. American started to fight in December of 1941. Two years later. Put things in perspective Mr. Bush! (which of course you cannot since everything good about the USA has to be destroyed in order that Karl Rove can be our new master).





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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 04:39 PM
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1. We've always known Bush* was an idiot. Now it looks as though
his speech writers are blathering idiots as well, a disturbing development.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 04:39 PM
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2. * should check his facts. FDR had a challenge from his ambassador
Edited on Sun May-08-05 04:44 PM by no_hypocrisy
to the Court of St. James (Britain), Joseph P. Kennedy, who regularly went to the media (British and American) to decry against potential U.S. involvement with the Nazi occupation of Europe. And a majority of Americans agreed with his position. It took an attack with Japan to get the average American behind FDR to go to war in Europe. Revenge, not the spread of democracy.

JPK's downfall was his statement that (to the effect of) "democracy was dead" and to get used to fascism.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:00 PM
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3. Why would FDR go save Eastern Europe before it had fallen when
it took everything FDR had to get America half-way interested in sending simple 'goods' to fallen old Europe during the first two years of Hitler's War.

Bush doesn't even make any sense with his statement. He is hoping that nobody who was alive then, or reads history is listening to his speech.

What a bunch of fools.

On this one note - I will have to take drastic action. Bush is a small, teeny weeny man (so is Rove). So the icons I use to represent him will have to be shrunk.

That Nero Violin player is way, way to big to fully represent Bush. I will have to attack it with my photoshop software and 'make it smaller'.

Just a little bit bigger than an dot. But still frantically playing that fiddle!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:07 PM
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4. Bush** is not an idiot. He's a criminal and a con man, and...
...he only plays an idiot on TV. Beneath the greasepaint, he is a brilliant, evil, blood-thirsty, power-mad, profit hungry criminal - and when we justify the "idiot" mask he wears to deceive the American public, we're accomplices to his crimes.

NGU.


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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:21 PM
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5. Agreed...
he uses his "stupidity" as a mask, makes him look more benign. Just look at his failed oil companies- walked away richer everytime. To hell with the poor investors.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:02 PM
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7. He is not in charge. He thinks he is. But his life is filled with whatever
the brilliant monsters around him (Rove & neocons) fill his tiny little head with.

You would have to have hit rock bottom at some time in your life and not be immediately saved by Jesus to know what it is to be real.

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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:32 PM
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14. Hi awoke_in_2003!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:00 PM
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6. You obviously have not heard that the neocons in about 1965 stated
that they needed: a patrician (good at displaying proper emotions) protestant (repressed) prissy (anal issues & sadism to help them meld with sociopaths) & black & white thinking (easily manipulated and control because this is adolescence) man to be their President.

Every sociopath looks for the same mix.

They got him. George Bush is their patsy man. He gets sent where they want him, he gives speeches as they want, he does not have the capacity to see them all for who they are.

And added to George Bush we have the political operatives with the admiration for Hitler, and bag of tricks of sociopaths.. and we have what we have in the WH.

George W. Bush is a fool. What President has so little cue as to where is Presidency is going that he asks Cheney to look for a VP and accepts it when Cheney says:"me". This is not a man in control. This is a man whose head can be filled with whatever theories and Utopias they want to fill his head with.. and then he marches where they want to go.

By giving responsibility for this mess to Bush.. you imply that it is not the responsibility of this actual neocon and Karl Rove masters. George Bush will not get reelected. His masters will try to retain power and even if they loose the next election we may see them all again in 2012. Why the neocons try to separate themselves from Bush already. And Karl Rove is talking 20 year empire.

Bush is a vessel.He never had to face his demons. He went from alcoholic rich boy cocaine addict to someone who was given cushy positions to Governor to President. Not a real moment throughout. And getting into Jesus just helped to give this particular man a crutch so he would not have to grieve what he had done to his own dam family by being an addict his first 10 years of fatherhood. It gave him a pass. Important that George never hit the ground. Because it makes him the black & white thinker that can best project all goodness to his followers while he lets the power that be around him eviscerate the nation and the world.

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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:58 PM
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8. Exactly. He's a liar.
Facts mean nothing to him. He's not interested in making an argument on the merits. He simply wants to get a point across, and if he has to lie, twist facts, ignore facts, or just plain make shit up, he'll do it. He doesn't care. He's not going to let a little thing like truth get in the way of getting what he wants.
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GRLMGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:15 AM
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9. Bush, idiot, it's redundant
Edited on Mon May-09-05 12:16 AM by GRLMGC
I'm sooooooo sick of everything going on this country
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:19 AM
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10. The US never took the initiative in WW2.
Edited on Mon May-09-05 12:23 AM by TahitiNut
The Japanese screwed up and attacked before they declared war, but they still declared war on the US. Only after that did the US acknowledge a "state of war exists" and then, as a Constitutional nicety, 'declared' war right back at them.

Once that happened, Nazi Germany declared war on the US, before the US again, as a Constitutional nicety, 'declared' war right back at them.

The MYTH is that the US rode in like the cavalry with bugles blowing. Nonsense. We were dragged in kicking, screaming, and bleeding.

The 'industrialists' and 'bankers' (including folks like Henry Ford and Prescott Bush) were more than happy to go on profiteering while others died and other countries were ruined.

Russian deaths numbered around 27 million. The Russians bore the brunt of the German forces and the Chinese bore the brunt of the Japanese forces.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:40 AM
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11. Right. And that part of history has been played down. So it seems
Edited on Mon May-09-05 12:42 AM by applegrove
easy for Bush to step up to a podium and say "you know, FDR could have taken over responsibility for all of eastern Europe after the war ... just for safe-keeping.. while the Soviets had not been as overtly predatory as they were to become.

Just so long as you have gotten your history out of a propaganda machine of times gone by.. you would not know how Bush Cherry picks the facts on a day like today when he makes such a Yalta speech.

The Bush WH truly things Americans are stupid.

Except for the 'liberal elites' who obviously are a danger because they now about international political economic history as opposed to the story of the USA as the amazing liberator.

For sure America was amazing. But before that is was against saving even old Europe. And FDR was the only light shinning for democracy in the USA before 1941.

A complete & utter lie that FDR was faulty. He had already, and was to push the USA far beyond where the 'people' and 'vested interests' wanted to go. The Marshall plan? FDR. That saved the fuck out of Europe in the end. All Democrat!!
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:51 AM
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12. Mr President, there's one little problem with your statement
By the time VE day rolled around, FDR was DEAD and buried.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:34 PM
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15. All the more reason why Roosevelt was not in a position to stop
the Soviets. They had not yet revealed themselves to be spying on the allies to get the bomb et all. As they did in 1946.

But the Marshall Plan was democratic. And that saved Europe.

So tell Mr. Bush, cherry picker, to go to hell.

Yalta was during the war eh? I'm guessing you would do just about anything to secure an army to the right of Hitler that was 60 Million strong.

I have to go and get the little Nero icon and shrink in down to size. Bush is a small man.

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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:28 AM
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13. Mr. Bush, you are a LOSER!!!
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