Franklin Graham weighs in (RE: East Waynesville Baptist Church)

[Yellow_Dog]

WLOS in their news promo said that they will have an interview with Franklin Graham on the 11:00PM news tonight.

I venture he will talk all around it and really say nothing.

[havocmom]

1. Let us 'outlanders' know if anything of interest gets said. Many of us are

way outta that broadcast area but mighty interested in this one.

And welcome to the DU, Yellow_Dog :hi:

Good to have you aboard! :toast:

[blogbear]

3. Amen and welcome to DU!

[blogbear]

2. Isn't that generally what follows in a real discussion about organized

'religion'?..

[chomskysright]

4. would love to hear about that Yellow_dog: see u in church@Waynesville tom?

I'll be there. keep me posted on what you hear.

[Southsideirish]

5. Its a shame that yucky Waynesville is so close to the divine liberal and

progressive oasis, Asheville. Only 30 miles.

[patricia92243]

6. I've lived in Asheville all my life. I have heard people from other plac

places say Asheville is liberal. If we do anything liberal, I sure don't know what it is.

That is one reason I love DU so much. I am totally surrounded by neo-cons at work and at home.

[Southsideirish]

7. You mean it really isn't ...liberal? It always seemed like it was when

I've been there. Like an old hippie community with the yoga shops, folks hanging out, book stores, food coops and the like. I am even thinking about moving there because of it - maybe I should re-consider.

[patricia92243]

26. I know where you are talking about - down on BIltmore Avenue. But one or

two streets and/or places do not mean a city is liberal.

Every city have groups of liberal people - just some more than others.

I do hope you move here. The mountains are beautiful and the climate is comfortable. But, like everywhere else in America right now, there aren't many jobs.


There are plenty of surrounding towns that help make Asheville a nice place to live. Hendersonville is a great retirement town - and oh yes, did I way Waynesville? :)

Actually Waynesville is very beautiful. Too bad a few people have given it a rotten rap.

[blondeatlast]

8. Yucky waynesville--yep, that's the way to make middle Americans vote in

their best interests.

:sarcasm:

[Southsideirish]

9. "Yucky" because of the church's attitude, silly! Haven't you been keeping

up? I've been to Waynesville several times and found it to be a quite charming little town. Sheesh!
Some folks have a chip on their shoulder around here tonight.

[blondeatlast]

28. I know exactly what you meant. But when the RW "much ado about

nothing" rabble-rousers quote from DU, context is thrown out the window.

No harm intended, and I apologize if it seemed differently.

[annabanana]

10. Welcome to DU, Yellow Dog!

It was WLOS locals who alerted us to the excommunication so the blogosphere could shout it around. Let us know what this guy has to say..

[Yellow_Dog]

11. Franklin Graham said...

Actually I was surprised he very nicely said that the Pastor was wrong, and that he has confused morals with politics. Went on to say that the pastor was wrong to force people out of the church for their political stand.
"For a church to say you have to support one or the other, I don't know where the pastor was coming from on that... it sounds a little interesting. Our faith is not in a man, it is not in a building..."

[FreedomAngel82]

12. Seriously said that?

Wow. I am a lil shocked. Then again I don't remember Billy Graham being so over-the-top like Dobson, Falwell and Robertson. If I'm remembering correctly he's actually sane compared to these people. I do remember Clinton having Graham over to the White House often.

[faithnotgreed]

13. you are correct. elder graham is a good man and nothing like the others

you mention

now franklin graham - though i dont know enough about him - has in the past struck me a bit more of the phony televangelist type
its good to hear that he is injecting some sanity

[minnesotaDFLer]

14. who is this guy

who is Graham? sorry for my ignorance, is he the pastor?

[Yellow_Dog]

16. He is

The son of Billy Graham, well know and respected evangelist, unlike all the others that give evangelism a bad name.

[AspenRose]

19. Not the pastor of the church in question

He's the son of Billy Graham the evangelist and is somewhat an evangelist in his own right.

[Hatalles]

17. Elder Graham, yes. Franky Graham, no.

Franklin is an anti-Islamic bigot.

[faithnotgreed]

21. yea i just never had a good feeling about franklin

but i should look more into it before i say any more than that

its sad if he is a bigot of any kind

[Yellow_Dog]

18. Franklin

seems to be cut of the same cloth that his daddy is. He still has yet to prove himself to be the level of his daddy, but he may prove yet to be a rare evangelist, an honest one without political agendas.

[faithnotgreed]

20. i dont know... i just dont get a good vibe from franklin

but as said i havent paid much attention to him. he doesnt seem to be authentic as his father

[Tomee450]

33. I don't get good

vibes about Franklin either. I don't like him nearly as much as his father. When I've seen him, he appeared to be rather grim faced and stern.

[Yellow_Dog]

15. Billy Graham has been

to the Whitehorse and known/advised/been friend with every president for the past 50 years or so. Of all the evangelical preachers he is probably the only one that is honest, and actually comes very close to living the word he preaches. Lives on a mountain top only about 12 miles east of Asheville.

[faithnotgreed]

22. thats right ... do you call it the "whitehorse"

intentionally or was that just a slip esp since youve got an active thread here!

[Zen Democrat]

23. Hey, he pimped his religion for Dick Nixon and George Bush

He covered himself when he was the Republican Religious Icon, now they've thrown the covers off.

Did you hear him on the Nixon tapes talking about Jews? He, Billy, was a bigot all the way.

[carpetbagger]

24. You haven't heard him on secret tapes, I presume.

He's got a dark streak that appearently doesn't show up in public, but was recorded for posterity on the Nixon tapes.

"A lot of Jews are great friends of mine," Graham says. "They swarm around me and are friendly to me, because they know that I am friendly to Israel and so forth. But they don't know how I really feel about what they're doing to this country, and I have no power and no way to handle them."

Nixon responds, "You must not let them know."

[thebigidea]

25. so much for being the only one that's honest

[FreedomAngel82]

32. Oh wow

Just like all of them. Sad, really. I'll have to listen to those tapes sometime.

[blondeatlast]

27. "Confused morals with politics." We need to take that ball and RUN

like hell with it.

It wasn't one of our guys who said it, it is one of theirs. And that's exactly what the TheoCon wackos have done.

Can you get a link? I think we need to start using his words at every opportunity!

Thanks.

[GoldenOldie]

29. Franklin and George W. ......cut from the same bolt of cloth

I had been a long time admirer of Billy Graham until I heard his comments about Jews on the Nixon tapes, and realized that he was really no different than all the other bigots who did their dirty work behind closed doors.

Franklin Graham and George W. Bush are those priveleged sons who never would have left first-base without their daddies fame/name to open doors and pay the bills. Without the footwork nor the apptitude needed to establish their own individual relationships, goals, plans, etc., they have simply been allowed to follow in their daddies footsteps and they have an urgent need to prove that they are far better and more capable than their daddies.

[blondeatlast]

30. Agreed--but the quote is GOLD.

I'm just saying we need to use that quote and run with it.

I don't like the guy, I wouldn't have him in my house under the best of circumstances, but that quote is pure gold.

Everytime a quai-religious issue comes up, we need to trot it out, like so:

"Even Franklin Graham said that they are "confusing morals with politcs." "

No further comment--just use it as a weapon. Tell me how can the opposition argue the statement?

[BeFree]

31. In the interest of discussion

This might be how they can get away with "confusing morals with politics"

Abortion: A moral decision allowed by a political decision.

Gay marriage: a political decision that goes against historic mores.

Do NOT get me wrong. I believe in a women's choice and I think gays should be allowed to marry. I think such decisions are politically correct but can see how radical fundies would be adverse to supporting such political decisions. I base my decisions on the belief that I should not stand in judgement, and that I have no right to tell others how to live.