Credibility of the bushenfurher

[IChing]

These bits of great news will further diminish the Narcoleptic grip the nation is in.

Lies can only last so long, even Hitler's generals finally awoke.

World opinion does count!

[MissWaverly]

1. MSM still parroting the mantra but they're nervous

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2. There is a huge layer government professionals who stay on

no matter who is president, civilian and military. There is only so much they will stand. They've already been marginilized by the neo-cons. The military staff may be the closest to the breaking point.

[MissWaverly]

3. I feel sorry for the CIA who were smeared over

faulty intelligence, there was plenty of faulty intelligence around
but it wasn't in the CIA. The Republicans currently in power epitomize faulty intelligence, and that includes "I'm a sinner-the bugman"

[IChing]

4. Religion

Is their next crusade to distract the masses from morality.

[MissWaverly]

6. religion won't get them warbucks

religion is the sugar coating on his war mongering, but to get anywhere he needs the PR, what credibility is he going to have now that the WMD lie is bust.

[IChing]

7. agreed

But the masses can be misdirected.

[MissWaverly]

8. Yes, but I saw a poll, they're turning off radio talk shows

Hate sold for a long time in this country, as long as they could have
the status quo, then it sold, it channeled the anger that many feel at "society" and gave people something to relate to, now people are waking up, they are exhausted, they have less, all they see are billions being squandered in a senseless war while they have to pay
more just to keep up and now the govt. wants to take their pensions,
people are not going to fall for the religion distraction, they don't want spin, they want real answers.

[IChing]

9. Narcoleptic masses

It takes time even with a "runaway" press

[MissWaverly]

11. I think that people have been self involved

because they see their way of life threatened, so now they work
constantly so they can have job security but they don't have time
to do anything else. So many of the people I work with come in at
8 am and say, "I worked late last night, I don't have time to watch
the news." But that doesn't mean that they're robots, or that they don't care. The news has not helped at all. Maybe people feel that
there had to be WMD's or we would have read about it in all the papers.

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5. I can't believe the liar has made it as far as he has.

It's unfuckingbelievable!

I guess we need him involved in a major scandal.

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10. Check this out:

British memo indicates Bush made intelligence fit Iraq policy
By Warren P. Strobel and John Walcott

Knight Ridder Newspapers


WASHINGTON - A highly classified British memo, leaked in the midst of Britain's just-concluded election campaign, indicates that President Bush decided to overthrow Iraqi President Saddam Hussein by summer 2002 and was determined to ensure that U.S. intelligence data supported his policy.


The document, which summarizes a July 23, 2002, meeting of British Prime Minister Tony Blair with his top security advisers, reports on a visit to Washington by the head of Britain's MI-6 intelligence service.

more...

http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/11574296.htm

And thanks to redqueen for these:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=46...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/vote_2005/frontp...

[IChing]

12. Eat your words

Justification for the Iraq war
JIM LEHRER: What about this other point, Bill, that both President Bush and Prime Minister Blair have said it really doesn't matter whether or not there were weapons of mass destruction, going back to this issue of weapons of mass destruction, it really doesn't matter because Saddam Hussein was an evil man and we should have gotten rid of him anyhow?

Is that the reason they're not upset, and do you agree with that, with that justification?

WILLIAM SAFIRE: No, they had several justifications. And the word "justification" is loaded. I would say reasons for going to war. Will you go with me on that?

MARK SHIELDS: I'll wait till your Sunday column on that - "justification" --

WILLIAM SAFIRE: I think the reasons we had to go to war, not only to stop this monster, who was killing tens of thousands of people every year in Iraq, many more than were killed since the war, but who was also connected with al-Qaida as the Senate report shows and as the 9/11 Commission will report - will detail.

And if we can change that 50-year downward drift that's been happening in the Middle East, and if we can establish some kind of beginnings of democracy in one of the most important countries there, that can change the tide of terrorism. And, for that reason, we went to war, and I think history will judge we did the right thing.

MARK SHIELDS: That isn't the reason we went to war. We went to war because we were told that he had chemical, biological and was making nuclear weapons and represented a real threat to the United States. Jim, the war leaves nothing unchanged. It leaves people... people are changed, relationships are changed between people, among countries.

And one major change in this is that the president's cherished doctrine of preemption. No President will be able to go to the American people in the future and say, we have to go to war on a preemptive strike and face anything but a skeptical Congress and a skeptical American public because of what has happened in this experience with Iraq. And we are told that he had this armaments, this army, the plans to do all these things.

I still disagree strenuously with Bill that there was collusion and cooperation and all of this effort that Saddam had any involvement in 9/11. That has certainly not been proved. And the al-Qaida thing is tenuous at best, so, you know, we could argue about this, but it has changed American domestic politics.

WILLIAM SAFIRE: Well, you see where John Kerry just today and recently has been talking about there may be a time for preemptive war. He's backing away from dovishness, from your dovishness, Mark. I think he's asserting, you know, he uses the word "values" every single sentence. And one of the values --

MARK SHIELDS: He use values in every sentence? What's that got to do, I mean, that's for preemptive war?

WILLIAM SAFIRE: That doesn't mean you have values. And in foreign affairs one of the values is an aggressive stand against terror. And that's why I think the -- a central campaign that we have is going to be on which candidate will best protect the United States in the next four years.

The impact on the public's trust in the government
MARK SHIELDS: Well, the central value, before any policy, is that a leader be trusted with and level with the American people, and that did not happen in this case, and the American people do not feel they were leveled with. That's the reason that their support for this war is eroding and eroding on a regular and predictable...

WILLIAM SAFIRE: -- the report you just asked us about -- argued just the opposite, that they were acting on the basis of the best information they had.

MARK SHIELDS: The best information was flawed information. You have an absolute --

WILLIAM SAFIRE: So what information do you act on?

MARK SHIELDS: -- you have the reliance of the citizen to trust your leadership, they're in a position, a position that most citizens don't have available to them, find out things. And this president came and told the country all sorts of things about Iraq which have proved to be untrue.

And whether it was a potential sale in Niger and 16 words that were taken out ought to be put back in is hardly vindication and excuse or justification for that war.

WILLIAM SAFIRE: But nobody is looking at those newly found words and newly found facts.

MARK SHIELDS: You are.

WILLIAM SAFIRE: You bet I am. I'm doing my best. I think what we'll see is a decision on the basis of who can best protect the country.

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13. I don't have the condiments to diguise that shit. n/t

[IChing]

14. the truth---against--- a lie, back up by religionist immorality.

Religion Is their next crusade to distract the masses from human moral consciousness.

That is against WAR, TORTURE, CORRUPTION, DEATH, DESTRUCTION AND EXPLOITATION.

You must understand that beliefs' are being used to manipulate human consciousness.
most do not really understand what all the masters have said.
"you can be like me and live in peace"
And to love one another"

now where are those infidels, non believers, and the Spanish inquisition?