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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 01:44 PM
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Help needed, please - what's the general reaction to "Justice" Sunday?
Did it achieve its objectives? I've seen an editorial and somebody huffing and puffing on redstate.com or some such thing, but the Washington Post poll was completed on the 24th - which was Sunday. Did it have any adverse impact for us? Reverse public opinion?

Thank you in advance if you've seen any info that helps.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 01:46 PM
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1. I'd be interested too
I haven't seen anything....

Locally, it was heard only on 88.1 Christian Victory Radio but I haven't talked to a single soul who listened.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 01:53 PM
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4. Hopefully it hasn't had any impact on the polls that show people are
opposed to the nuclear option. Which is, in my opinion, is one big jerk-ass idea. Of course, when it COMES FROM jerk-asses, what else do you expect.
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 01:49 PM
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2. pretty much no one even heard of it
other than those who regularly listen to right-wing religious radio and those of us who are political junkies.

I think Frist knows the nuclear option is going to fail and he did this event just to appease the religious right in order to continue the process of locking up their votes. He'll just blame the loss on the issue on the Dems again.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 02:28 PM
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11. Even this
one board I frequent that is a Christian board nobody made mention of it. :shrug:
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 01:53 PM
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3. Nice editorial in the New Orleans paper today
and not flattering to the organizers of the hatefest.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/grace/index.ssf?/base/news...

As a Navy retiree may I add my two cents worth?:

I DID NOT SWEAR TO SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE BIBLE. And I seriously consider religious zealots an enemy of the Constitution. Their actions do nothing but intensify my beliefs and I do my best to spread the word in my small part of the world.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 02:20 PM
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10. Good Editorial, Thanks
I took the same oath you did, and I agree with what you say, with one exception, these people are fanatics, not zealots.

In some cases, those who are zealots serve the common good, fanatics only serve their own ends all the time, with no regard for doing what's right, only what they think is right, just like the Taliban, only with Christian flavor to it.

I swore to defend the US Constitution with my life if needs be, but in keeping with General Patton's advice "no SOB ever won a war by dying for their country, they won it by making the other SOB die for his". I guess that says where I stand.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 01:54 PM
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5. In my neighborhood
Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 01:54 PM by Capn Sunshine
the reaction is silent embarrassment from the Churches
Mainstream Republicans are looking the other way
and the Churches that DID broadcast it are pretty much saying "quick, sweep this steaming pile under the rug"
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 02:30 PM
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12. Interesting
So I wonder why? Maybe they were pressured into helping? :shrug:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 02:04 PM
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6. Thanks for the input, guys! I think I'm gonna call it "Justice Sundae"
as in - what the bad guys are gonna have to EAT.

:evilgrin:
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 02:06 PM
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7. In response to "Justice Sunday", Americans collectively replied: "yawn.."
seriously. i went the whole weekend without hearing anything about it.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 02:18 PM
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8. Here in Louisville (Ground Zero for that hate-fest)
The reaction is quite muted.

The local paper was all but ridiculing it. Even in Lexington (home of UK and usually red country), the paper was railing against the event.

One of our local TV stations (WAVE 3) has a VERY pro-Propagandist general manager and the only thing on their website is an AP article. Nothing of their own. Keeping it on the down-low.


Here's an editorial from the Louisville Courier-Journal:

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AI...

Promoters of the "Justice Sunday" sham doubtless hoped to build public support for their notion that the federal courts should be packed with judges predisposed to champion a particular set of religious values.

One must hope that won't be the case. Indeed, the proceedings at Louisville's Highview Baptist Church should scare the, well, heck out of anyone who embraces the vision of America as a pluralistic democracy.

The message from the church was wrong -- likely deliberately so -- in its central theme that many of President Bush's judicial nominees are being defeated because they are conservative Christians. This deceit is bolstered by an erroneous implication that the federal courts are packed with liberal judges.

Actually, only 10 of the most extreme Bush nominations to the bench have been blocked by Democratic filibusters (none on religious grounds), while 205 have been confirmed. Moreover, Republican-appointed judges significantly outnumber selections of Democratic presidents.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 02:19 PM
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9. Last night
on Malloy a guy called in who went to one of the events. The guy was saying how around thirty people were there and everything was pretty crappy. It was made mostly of elderly people. You can probably listen in at http://www.whiterosesociety.org
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 02:39 PM
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13. The Christian Broadcasting Network station
is still supporting the GOP activist judges meme but are not pushing the Justice Sunday broadcast.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 04:37 PM
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14. Hey! THANKS guys! I SERIOUSLY appreciate this input.
Man, you know there must be trouble if the commentary linked by Roland99 in post 8 is any indication:

"Promoters of the 'Justice Sunday' sham..."

Ummm... excuse me... "promoters of the 'Justice Sunday' SHAM??!?!??

YOWZA. Looks like this did not necessarily yield the desired results (which is an EXCELLENT thing).

Thanks again, guys, this helps BEAUCOUP DE MUCHO.

XOXOXOXO
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Blue Topaz Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 08:15 PM
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15. Very good to hear how badly this went over
Even better that Frist is linked to it via his video submission. It may help him with fundies but will hurt him with mainstream Americans. Frist sure is putting all his presidential aspiration eggs in the fundie basket 'o hate.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 08:25 PM
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17. We need to keep Frist forever shackled...
...to this turkey. I hope someone has recorded and digitized some of the more offensive parts so we can replay them occasionally for America.
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ohioan Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 08:20 PM
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16. I think, as usual, the Republicans overplayed their hand . . .
I think they assumed that the audience for this Justice Sunday would have largely been limited to their true believers, sort of an underground pep rally to keep their forces pumped and ready. I don't believe they intended for it to get the kind of spotlight it did, but once the light hit them, it was too late to scamper away. So Frist ended up with them stuck to him like a tarbaby and they were caught in the headlights of national attention as they spewed their venom.

In other words, they blew it big time.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 09:17 PM
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18. I checked at the FOF website
and there wasn't any boasting/bragging or beating of chests posted. You'd think if it was a success it would be all over the home page, wouldn't it?
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 09:47 PM
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19. Remember they used the lie of Christians standing in long lines
...in the rain to make sure those "queers" can't get married...who is the say that maybe Frist concentrating so much on the Fundvangelical base that they wont use it again?

Fool me once...shame on me, .. er er .. Fool me twice, shame on....er, never get fooled again
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 09:53 PM
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20. Actually, yes, you would.
Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 09:54 PM by calimary
The same dynamic applies to the mitch mcconnells of the world who loudly and boastfully declare that they "have the votes." And then all you hear for follow-up is crickets chirping. Face it, if they really, honestly (!) DID "have the votes" they'd have moved on it in the Senate ALREADY. They ARE rather adept at striking while the iron is hot, after all.

And if this "Justice Sunday" campaign had been a triumph, we'd be hearing about it ad nauseam for at least a week, from them, from CNN, from MSNBC, from Pox "news," on EVERY front page of EVERY paper, and the cover of EVERY news magazine. If the only detectable thing is crickets chirping, the campaign was a big fat bust and they're hoping if they just don't say anything about it, people will forget.

Which makes it OUR job to ensure that NO ONE forgets. BOTH that they pressed this campaign on us in the first place - and why, AND how "well" it went over. PLUS, let's not forget to name names. People DO need to be reminded who and what groups were behind this, and wrapping themselves in this, and betting their (AHEM!) 2008 presidential campaigns (AHEM!) on this (AHEM!!).

Surely, if it were the other way around, they'd be rubbing OUR noses in it til we looked like Michael Jackson.

BTW - FOF - "Friends of Frist"?
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