What Wes Clark said the Bill Maher AFTER the show

[Clark2008]

For those of you who want to know:

I was meeting and greeting Gert when the Maher smackdown started, but was distracted when I heard Wes's voice growing progressively louder, just below shout level. He was doing what he said he'd do on the show...straightening Maher out about the Middle East situation. Passionately arguing about Syria, Maher fighting back trying to maintain bush's role in the changes there....Then Clark mentions Arafat's death, then Hariri's assassination...Maher asks some hypothetical question about 100 yrs from now and democracy in the ME and Clark ( messing up his hair in frustration) responds, "---but Bill....he lied to the American people. You can't do that! I don't care where you are in 100 years." Or something like that! He still hasn't been to the restroom. The Maher argument went on easily a half hour.

Personal account of the evening here: http://m-s-in-los-angeles-ca.forclark.com/story/2005/4/16/1243/68119

[knowbody0]

1. i think bill

is playing devil's advocate to the other side, setting them up for something only he can do.

[xultar]

3. No Bill wasn't playing devil's advocate cuz last week he was all

complimentary over the Iraq situation with Richard Pearle
Bill is foreal about this. As another DUer said. Bill's jumping in the sack with Ann Coulter must be affecting his brain.

[AlCzervik]

7. agreed, he fully gone over to Bush's side on Iraq

he claims he's still bothered by his lying but supports it. Really sad.

[Protagoras]

79. Bill's thinking is amazing

It'll justify anything as long as there is SOME *theoretical or speculatively positive outcome.

e.g. That guy who stole my wallet was really distressing. I know the cops over-reacted by shooting everyone on the street then looting through their pockets till they found my wallet...but it's all good in the end because the 37th person they shot did have my wallet and now I have it back. See, you just gotta look on the sunny side of life.

[suziedemocrat]

31. Isn't Ann Coulter a man? Does that make Bill gay? Yuk!!!

[NewJeffCT]

44. Maher has also supported Ashcroft & Colin Powell is his ideal president

On different Larry King shows, he said that his ideal presidential candidate is Colin Powell and that he supported Ashcroft locking up "enemy combatants" in Cuba...

[suziedemocrat]

30. I Fuc*ing HATE Bill Maher - he's an overpaid idiot .

He thinks cynicism = intelligence. And just because he points out that the rest of the world is "so stupid" - that doesn't make him smart. He has NO MORAL COMPASS. I personally can't look up to a guy who hangs out in strip bars. (Has to pay to see women naked.)

[Zinfandel]

40. Yes, Maher is very wealthy, did you see liar O'Reilly bitch-slap Maher?

As Maher was pontificating about right-wing greed or something to that effect... O'fuckhead, completely shut Maher up when he said... "Come on Maher, your investing in the same Condo's in FL as I am." Maher turns red, and changes the subject...

Maher is indeed rich, and appears to need even more & to be willing to sell his self-righteous soul to the corporate republicans...

Maher wants to play on both sides of the fence, even while it seems Maher's not very well informed on many issues.

Party on Bill.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

2. I'm so happy you did this,

happy you took the time to post it here, happy that everything I thought about Clark seems to be true.

The warmth. He exudes that, but he also exudes toughness.

OK, I'll be signing up at WESPAC, and I thank you for this.

Have a soft landing when you return to Earth............ :toast:

[Clark2008]

4. Um... I didn't write this. I live in Tennessee and would not have

a chance to go to a taping in L.A.

I'm posting what someone else wrote and the link.

But, you should sign up with WesPAC. You'd get some interesting action emails.

[leftchick]

8. Wes Clark

is the REAL deal! :)

[Totally Committed]

5. This was a stellar account of the evening...

The fact that Wes stood his ground and Maher felt he needed to argue the point that long tells me that Bill wasn't just playing "Devil's Advocate". I think he really does believe Bush did the right thing now.

I am hoping Wes managed to straighten him out.

TC

[rodeodance]

6. you didn't me this literally did you?

....Bill's jumping in the sack with Ann Coulter must be affecting his brain.

[Totally Committed]

9. Mean what, literally?

Bill has been saying, for a while now, that whether he knew what he was doing or not, Bush may have done the right thing in Iraq after all.

At first, even I thought he was just saying that to get a rise out of his Progressive guests, but he really does seem to believe it. Would someone who doesn't believe it stand and "discuss" it with someone for a half an hour?

I actually do hope Wes straightened him out.

TC

P.S. Bill and Ann Coulter? You are pulling my leg... Ugh.

[flpoljunkie]

12. Maher's problem is he knows just enough to talk about Iraq, etc. and talk

he does. He needs to read more so that he does not run off at the mouth without knowing the facts. I hope Clark gave him a few of the facts on Iraq that he has apparently missed.

[fujiyama]

17. I agree

He's a pompous ass and has an ego the size of Mt. Rushmore.

His actual knowledge seems very shallow and limited. Is he amusing? Yes, I get a crack out of his jokes (his rants on religion are a bit over the top but funny).

[TheDebbieDee]

20. Bill has mentioned that he and Mann have been fuck buddies.....

in the past. He stated it on one of his shows sometime last summer, I think when he was asked why he never got in her face when she was a guest on one of his shows.

[Totally Committed]

29. Seriously? I always thought that they were just pals...

Ugh... I can't imagine ever needing sex that bad... LOL!

Oh, well... my respect for Maher just hit a new all-time low if that is really true. Ugh. What a thought to wake up to!

TC

[Crunchy Frog]

35. I've just assumed it was going on for a long time now.

I can't see any other reason he would have her on the show so often, and be so deferrential to her.

[suziedemocrat]

32. Several Years ago Chris Rock was covering the conventions for Bill's show.

Some Republican woman (I think Mann Coulter) was on there and was really horrible to all of the other guests. They went to a live update from the convention from Rock and he said "You are one serious Bitch!" or something like that. It was so funny - because she WAS a total bitch! After a commercial break - Bill is all apologetic and goes on and on about how sorry he is for Chris' behavior. Next thing you know - no more live updates from Chris. Bummer - 'cause I LOVE Chris Rock!

[TheDebbieDee]

46. I remember that! That was Mann?

Chris Rock, telling it like it T-I-is, even way back then!

[Zen Democrat]

103. I remember it being Laura Ingraham, not Mann

[Vanje]

41. Bill! Get your rich white ass to your neighborhood recruiter

...or is Iraq worth dying for only when its the poor folks kids that do the dying?

[ewagner]

10. Have to read

the whole write-up....

I am very impressed with Wes Clark. He stands his ground well and represents our views very well.

I think he did well on Maher's show because he held his fire and didn't interrupt Frum to make his points....

[FreedomAngel82]

11. I loved the show

It was great and I'm glad he really did talk to Maher. :)

[peacetalksforall]

13. Very interesting....thanks for posting it for us. n/t

[ldf]

14. apparently bill now believes that the ends justifies the means...

just like the republicans.

bill playing both sides makes me uncomfortable. and it certainly doesn't increase his credibility factor.

i think, bottom line, bill is just an entertainer.

sad. he could be a real force for the good.

[Clark2008]

15. For those of you who are HBOless, you can download the Clark

portion of the show from this site: http://www.yellowdogdem.com/realwes.WMV

It's been edited and the video isn't the best, but you can at least hear what happened.

I think the thing might have been Tivo'ed, but isn't up yet, that I know of.

[Capn Sunshine]

16. Thanks for this.

He looked good. Sounded great.

[For PaisAn]

22. link doesn't work for me?

:shrug:
and I really wanted to see this.

[Jai4WKC08]

39. Try saving it to your harddrive

And then playing it from there. It should work. :shrug:

[For PaisAn]

43. That worked

Thanks!

[fujiyama]

18. Good for Clark

for standing his ground. Clark was somewhat low key yesterday but when he hit, he hit hard. I especially liked his jab at Frum over nuclear proliferation and nuclear materials. He told Frum that HIS president (that was just awesome) cut resources to stop proliferation. A humiliated Frum shut himself up after that.

Maher's an entertainer...a pompous ass, pseudo-intellectual. His knowledge of issues is limited, superficial, and very shallow.

[yorkiemommie1]

25. never trusted maher

it was just a gut feeling.

[0007]

48. I don't care or trust maher either!!

[w4rma]

19. Gen. Clark is awesome. (nt)

[autorank]

21. This is one reason I support Clark! Did you see the looks of disdain

he kept shooting that Frum clown. He looked at the guy like he was the dumbest ass in the studio (which he was). He did seem quite courteous to the Dixie Chick, a true Southern officer and gentleman.

[WildEyedLiberal]

23. That's awesome

I don't usually watch Maher but sounds like Wes was great. Good for him!

[Nothing Without Hope]

24. This is so great - finally a man who KNOWS what he's talking about and

is passionate about getting to the truth. This is honesty. This wasn't posturing for TV cameras, jockeying for good-looking news clips.

This is the REAL THING, people. Hallelujia!!! Talk about fresh water for a thirsty field! Now let's grow big strong plants from the seeds that have been planted and hope for the harvest.

Recommended!

[understandinglife]

26. Well, Gen Clark, along with you, millions of Americans on May 2 2005 -MNA

....day, will be reflecting on how many lies Bu$h and the theocratic neconsters have told us and the world since they stole the 2000 national election.

I urge all of you whom know Gen Clark to encourage him to speak about what he will be doing on MNA Day, May 2 2005, and on any other day thereafter, when the knotted rope icon appears.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us (a day when we all reflect on how We The People are goint to ensure that those who work for us TELL THE TRUTH, ALWAYS)

[Darth_Kitten]

27. What I wrote Davie Boy Frum....

:evilgrin: :silly: Man, aren't I snarky?? :popcorn: ;)

I just hate this stuckup, arrogant boy/man.

APR. 14, 2005: TOUJOURS L'AUDACE For those following the Liberal kickback/extortion/graft scandal in Canada, this story makes truly gob-smacking reading: It seems that the emerging Liberal strategy for saving themselves from voter outrage over the tens of millions of dollars that they have embezzled from the public treasury is to accuse those who want accountability for the theft of ... treason.

American liberals decorate their cars with "Peace is Patriotic" bumperstickers. In Canada, it seems the Liberal motto is "Stealing is Patriotic."

11:32 AM

Me:

Not quite, Davie boy, we don't use words like "patriotic" in Canada, remember? I wouldn't bash liberals, honey, they gave your mother a cushy government job for YEARS (guess daddy didn't want to keep his mouthy little wifey at home like a good conservative man). Leave Canada to the real canadians, dearie.

P.S. Love the ass wuppin' Wes Clark gave you, dough boy. But then again, how hard can it be to make mincemeat out of an arrogant pampered little weinie like you?

[FrenchieCat]

34. LOL!

an arrogant pampered little weinie !! :rofl:

[Algorem]

28. Bill Maher is just a gross little pervert anyway,

[trillian]

33. Thank God for Wes Clark

He stands strong on his convictions and isn't afraid to voice them

No namby pamby platitudes.

I love it!

:patriot:

[qanda]

36. Bill Maher needs to have Juan Cole on his show

He would certainly put him in his place and he does not suffer fools gladly. http://www.juancole.com/

[frictionlessO]

38. Oh yes I second that! Juan Cole is the foremost mind we have on the M.E.

Bill probably wouldn't give him enough time to explain the intricacies though....

[Totally Committed]

37. Kick (n/t)

TC

[FourStarDemocrat]

42. Thanks for the heads up on this Clark2008

Good stuff in that post. :kick:

[LittleClarkie]

45. Go Wes Go

That's my first candidate talkin' there. Keep it up fella, I may need to have a look at you again come 2008.

[Clark2008]

47. Come home, Little Clarkie

:hug:

Back to the fold. :7

[CarolNYC]

49. Great account

Hey, that's a great account of the event. Thanks for posting that...and thanks for the video link further downthread. I'm glad Clark gave Maher a good talking to. Go Wes! :)

[LimpingLib]

50. Clark like the rest of the foreign policy elite supported the brutal ...

...sanction regime imposed on Iraqs people.


I opposed the war 100% (unlike the Clark who tried to play it both ways)but give NO CREDIT at all to those who claim to have "opposed the war" only to support the dreadful sanctions.

I disagree with Maher but at least respect him.

[Progressive420]

51. Clark never supported war in Iraq read his book

and you will see that. If you truely don't know where he stands and won't take the time to educate yourself don't post about something that you don't know.

[LimpingLib]

54. I dont care about all this war posturing. Im talking about sanctions.

You know the "box" we "kept Saddam in" according to Albright?

A box that benefited Hussein but killed 1 million children in a smll country.

Besides , the Iraq War killed fewer civilians and children than the sanctions.

2 brutal regimes ended with the Iraq War. Husseins and the UN sanctiosn we imposed. The war was brutal too.

[Sparkly]

55. Oh, so Bush was right?

..."Get some starch!"... B-)

[LimpingLib]

58. Huh? Bush was right?

Nice try.

I said sanctions were WRONG.

The whole foreign policy elite including Bush supported sanctions.

Clark supported sanctions so I dont care what his revisionism is on his support for or lack of support was on the war.

His foreign policy stinks.
Period.

Im tired of all this b.s. over the war. Show me any Democrat who doesnt criticise the war especially upstart Presidential candidates.

[Sparkly]

62. "2 brutal regimes ended with the Iraq War"

So you claimed, counting one as sanctions, which you contend were more lethal than Bushco's invasion.

Clark and other Democrats -- as well as people and leaders from nations worldwide -- preferred sanctions to military invasion. But if you're saying Bush's invasion was the better way to go, well hey. Knock yourself out.

[Totally Committed]

57. You realize...

This is a man who has been written about and lauded for trying to stopp the ethnic cleansing of the Albanians in the book, "A Problem from Hell", by Samantha Power.

She felt so strongly about his humanity and compassion, she endorsed him during the Primaries.

Yeah... he's a real cold-hearted bastard, all right.

TC

[LimpingLib]

61. I thought Clark was anti-war?

Anyway Im tired of all this crap.

Yea he MOSTLY says he sort of opposed the latest US war.

Wonderful.

I bet if he were Senator he would have supported the Iraq War Resolution like EVERY LAST stinking war in U.S history.Why he supported Reagan and Bush the first.

War is peace.

Except when posturing for an anti-war Democratic primary audience.

[Sparkly]

63. "Yea he MOSTLY says he sort of opposed the latest US war" -- hahahaha

"I bet if he were a Senator..." Okay, let's bet. Now how do we prove it? Well, why bother with proof when you can make stuff up?

[LimpingLib]

68. I gave him credit for claiming he was anti-war.

Im saying talk is cheap but that is the solid fact.

Once he became a Democratic candidate he became strongly "anti-war" all the sudden.

Nevermind he said after the November 2000 election that he could no longer support Republicans because they were "isolationist" which was a way of falsly smearing REpublicans like Bush as being anti-war Buchananites like the rest of the Pro war media.

[Sparkly]

70. Talk wasn't "cheap" when he was saying it.

He went right up against the Bushies to speak out before the invasion. I wonder whether you heard the speeches of politicians at the time?

Where'd you get this infor about what he "said" in 2000? Btw, the term "isolationist" applies to withdrawing from treaties, which BushCo set about doing with a vengeance as soon as they took office. So it's no false smear.

NObody ever called Bush "anti-war."

[Totally Committed]

92. Why don't you go pick a thread...

of a real PRO-WAR candidate, and grace it with your anti-war self?

I'm sure they'd appreciate it.

Know why you don't?

Because you are just a hypocrite.

You are a bully and a hypocrite.

TC

[Totally Committed]

65. Read this... Yeah they were worse off under the sanctions... NOT!

Child hunger in Iraq said about double

GENEVA -- Malnutrition among the youngest Iraqis has almost doubled since the US-led invasion toppled Saddam Hussein, a hunger specialist told the UN Human Rights Commission yesterday in a summary of previously-reported studies on the nation's health.

By last fall, 7.7 percent of Iraqi children under 5 suffered acute malnutrition, compared with 4 percent after Hussein's ouster in April 2003, said Jean Ziegler, a specialist on the commission.

Malnutrition, which is exacerbated by inadequate sanitation and a lack of clean water, is a major killer of children in poor countries.
The situation facing Iraqi youngsters is ''a result of the war led by coalition forces," said Ziegler, a Swiss sociology professor and former lawmaker.

Overall, more than a quarter of Iraqi children don't get enough to eat, Ziegler said.

The US delegation and other coalition countries declined to respond to his presentation.

Ziegler did not mention the role of Iraq's insurgency in the nutrition problem, something often cited by aid groups.

http://digbig.com/4depf

TC

[LimpingLib]

73. Sanctions were planned to be in place for th next 50 years.

They were in place for over 10.

I never said Irai's were better off so please stop putting words in my mouth.

Im sayin less died from the war.

I dont appreciete people trying to play politics with livs either.

If you can proove to me that Clark opposed BOTH the sanctions and the war then I will strongly consider voting for him.

[Sparkly]

74. "Opposed BOTH the sanctions and the war"

in favor of WHAT?

[LimpingLib]

76. In favor of letting the economy of Iraq grow.

You know, like how we trade with China?

Iraqis hated Hussein and many said if they werent constntly hungry and searching for food they could have overthrown him.

[Sparkly]

81. Oh, they could have overthrown him... Wasn't that Poppy Bush's idea?

How'd that work out? You might ask the Kurds and Shiites, as well as Kuwait.

[LimpingLib]

84. Punish Iraqis with sanctions for mistakes of our leaders then?

Dont punish the people.

Im tired fo your false dichotomies.

Its one after another.

What I said was plain and clear.

Live with my opinion.

Sanctions are bad for the people.

I dont want to waste my time on YOU but I have been in LONG multi hour debates with Iranians who support sanctions on their own homeland but wont waste time with any details.

Im in the DEmocratic party and you better get used to me pecause many are like me and Democrats.

[Sparkly]

87. Um, invading them did them no favors.

There were no happy options -- nobody thinks sanctions are a good thing -- but military invasion was the worst resort and should have been the last resort.

[LimpingLib]

90. What does that have to do with sanctions?

Now you sound like a war supporter.

Your saying its an either/or all the sudden.

Not that I care anymore. I dont care what YOU or even MYSELF thinks.

I am not accusing you of supporting the war because I dont think it matters.

You want endless false dichotomies though it seems.

[Sparkly]

93. Oh yes, I forgot that third option

about how the people were going to overthrow him if sanctions weren't imposed. :eyes: Just like Poppy Bush said.

[LimpingLib]

99. Yea I support whatver you claim I do. Forget Clarks support of sanctions.

That doesnt matter.

Its just what you claim I support for any given moment.

Sanctions didnt work but you dont criticize Clark for that.O well just 1 million dead Arabs.No biggie.

Worth a try just to get rid of a 3rd rate dictator.

[Totally Committed]

89. And he said...

"Im in the DEmocratic party and you better get used to me pecause many are like me and Democrats."

"Live with my opinion."

Imagine if I had said that... on a thread about another candidate after arguing a bunch of half-ass bullshit!

Just imagine...

TC

[LimpingLib]

96. Opposing sanctions is bullshit.Got it.

The bullshit is that Clark supporters just want to smear those who disagree with him and grasp for straws while twisting everything and anything they can about what somebody says.

Notice above that I support Poppy Bush now.

He is first saying I supported the war now he says I support Poppy Bush not helping Iraqi's militarily after the first Gulf War.

[Totally Committed]

98. Horse-Hockey!

You are just on this thread to cxause a disturbance.

TC

[LimpingLib]

102. Accusation #122 over my comment on sanctions and children.

Yea Im disturbing alright.

[Totally Committed]

77. If I prove to you Clark opposed...

BOTH the sanctions and the war, you will strongly consider voting for him?

Your arrogance is astounding. Do you go to other candidate's threads and demand such things from them? I'm talking the ones that VOTED FOR THE ACTUAL EFFING IWR?????????????????

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo...............

I am sick to death of this double standard. SICK OF IT.

TC

[Totally Committed]

52. Take out the name "Clark", and replace it with, say....

"Kerry" or "Edwards" or "Lieberman" any of the other candidates that actually signed the IWR... and imagine I just made this post.

Or imagine, despite the fact I really like him, I just decided to hit-and-run for the hell of it... and insert the name "Dean".

My ass would be being raked over the coals right now, and you all know it! It's time for some fairness, some justice...

TC

[Sparkly]

53. So true, TC

There are plenty of people who went with sanctions, particularly given a choice between that, nothing, or military action.

And not only did Clark not endorse the IWR, he spoke out against the invasion before and during it right up to today, as you know. I can't imagine where people get this "both ways" stuff -- haven't heard that since the primaries, and usually from rightwingers.

[LimpingLib]

56. Yea rightwingers just hate Clark.

I actually post on right wing sites from time to tim,I have a long relationship with some (I pretend to be conservative but fail miserably) and I can tell you many were very fond of Clark.

Some even compared him to Bush to show how Clark would have been much better.zthey would say things like "this guy could have been a Republican his whole life for all we knew".

It was also the most Pro War Republicans who liked him the most.

Spare me this BS where you try and accuse those who oppose Clark as being conservatives.

[Totally Committed]

59. Yes, as a matter of fact, they do....

But so does the far left, and THAT is the real shame of it.

Have you ever taken the time to read his speaches or policy papers?

I don't know why I'm even bothering...

TC

[Sparkly]

60. Great

If he could get a good percentage of conservatives or moderates, we'd get a progressive in the WH who could start uniting the country. That'd be good.

As for "BS where you try and accuse those who oppose Clark as being conservatives" -- well, that's odd. I just said I hadn't heard the "both ways" lie since the primaries, and it usually came from rightwingers. Got a problem with that? :shrug:

[LimpingLib]

64. Clark was the least hated major candidate on right wing sites.

This crap about right wingers hating Clark is false.

I do have a problem with B.S. especially when it is constant slanderingof Clark opponents as conservatives.

I never said conservative supported him but many Bush critics on right wing sites liked Clark.

[Sparkly]

66. That would be GREAT, if true.

Get 'em all on board with liberal policies -- fine with me!!

On the other hand, Karl Rove went after him from the start -- including stuff like "having it both ways" on the war. Drudge, Scarborough, and Rush pitched in energetically.

But Bush critics on right wing sites are *welcome* as far as I'm concerned. It's called increasing our numbers.

[Totally Committed]

67. And, you say that like it's a problem!

In case you didn't notice... The Right Wing WON!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTF is wrong with bringing more voters to our side?

Will the Democrats never care to win an effing election again?

You cannot govern if you do not win!

TC

[LimpingLib]

69. These are people who think Bush and Rush are "moderate"

They used Clark as an example of a Democrat who makes Bush look liberal.

BUt sorry facts get in your way.

Pro Bush Republicans even called some conservatives "Wesley Clark" in a morphing name similar to the conservative posters name ,which I wont give because I dont want anybody to know I post on DU and I dont want DU posters to knwo which site Im refering too.

[Totally Committed]

71. As I have said...

have you ever read his speaches and Policy papers?

George Mc Govern endorsed him in the primaries, saying he was the "best Democrat" of the bunch.

George Mc Govern!

Those are facts... are they in YOUR way?

TC

[LimpingLib]

75. I have and I oppose Clarks policys.

Take away his phoney claim to have opposed the Iraq War in 2003 and there isnt a single foreign policy issue I have ever even come close to agreeing with him on.

[Sparkly]

78. Oooookey dokey -- so you prefer bombs to talks.

And you'd look the other way when there's genocide happening.
And force, you think, should NOT be the last resort, but the first one.
And when Democrats oppose the war, including in sworn testimony before Congress, you figure they're phony.

Okay. Why are you on DU?

[LimpingLib]

82. Clark isnt the Democratic party

And our government agitated the Yugoslavian conflicts.

The charges of Genocide have been proven to be false. Ever wonnder why our media doesnt cover EITHER the trial of Milosevic or Hussein?

Im not saying there werent some attrocitys against Muslims in Yugoslavia but its been proven false.

Also Marines have testified that Hussein was NOT found in the hole in the gorund , and he infact got captured in a shootout from a house. I knew it was B.S. from the start because even CNN showed that Hussein had a Christian brand Noahs Ark poster "in his little hole house". They didnt dwell on it but come on THINK!!! A Christian brand publisher in a desert?

I resent your accusation that opponents of Clark arent Democrats.I agree that Id rather vote for a dead toad than Clark though even if he is the nominee.

[Totally Committed]

83. Okay....

I'm backing away slowly...

trying hard NOT to make eye contact or any sudden moves...

Cue the "Twilight Zone" music, honey, I'm making a run for it!

TC

[LimpingLib]

86. I guess 8 months of Scott Peteron is relavant reality?

How many SECONDS of the Milosevic trail have you seen?

Be honest.

[Sparkly]

95. I'm following you out the door, TC.

[Totally Committed]

100. Gotcha!

I'm outta here, too.

TC

[Sparkly]

85. Your beliefs really go against what the Democratic party stands for

and what most Democrats in Congress have voted for, spoken for, worked for, etc.

I doubt most Democrats consider Milosevic innocent. Most did support sanctions. Most did vote for the IWR. Clark is to the left of them, yet you're attacking Clark?

I'm not saying you're not a Democrat if you don't support Clark. I'm saying I wonder why you're here if you disagree so consistently with Democratic positions in general.

[LimpingLib]

88. Innocent? I said that?

He was a butal thug.

But there was no genocide and even Chria Matthews had to concede that afte the war ended.

Lucky for him isnt isnt discussed anymore so he might have went back to pretending his support for war was a good idea after the media dropped it like a hot potatoe.

I didnt know Democrats supported war over brutal regimes?

I thought you were agaisnt the Iraq war?

[Sparkly]

91. Just a few massacres and a little ethnic cleansing, then.

I guess some think we should have let him continue. Rwanda was all good, too. And children in Sudan can take care of themselves. :sarcasm:

[LimpingLib]

94. Yea opponents of Clark want genocide of Rwandans too.

Sure thing.

Anywway I will listen to Clarks foreign policy vision.

If he has a good way to help Africans from slaughters then I might support him.

Africa has endless fertile land yet starvation abounds. White businessmen actually export food from Africa when people are starving.

Clark stops that then I might support him.

[Name removed]

97. Deleted message

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[LimpingLib]

101. The subject was his accusation against me ,please stay on topic.

How dare you bring Clark into this discussion.

And I said Ill await his proposals...PROPOSALS.

[Totally Committed]

80. Oh, fercrissake...

I give up...

how many times DID your mother frop you on your head when you were a baby?

TC

[Sparkly]

72. Well, nobody accused people like that of being real bright.

If they think Clark's a conservative, fine!!!