Freeper's sick response to my request to support protesters:

[rainy]

These people did not lose anyone in the World Trade Center attacks or the USS Cole or the other attacks of innocent people. If these people are not happy with the US policy then they need to be held under the Sadam Hussain dictatorship. The only reason they have the freedom to protest like this is because many, many have died to give them that freedom. During WWII when the Germans were trying to destroy England, who was it that came to their rescue? The same Americans that they are now trying to deface our Stars & Stripes. I sure hope these people do not ask for federal assistance from the US the next time England is attacked by anyone. If it was not for the US they would all be speaking German today and not English. Take that to the BANK!

Help me respond please!

[villager]

1. for starters, what good is freedom of speech if no one uses it?

Secondly, a lot of families of World Trade Center victims are against Bush's policies.

Third, has this Freeper lost anyone in Iraq? Volunteered to enlist?

[adigal]

17. My husband, a disabled NYC fireman (from 9/11)

and I are firmly against Bush's policies. He lost a LOT of colleagues and was working that day - I thought he was dead all day.

And Bush, with his getting rid of 9000 border guards, and his lack of funding for finding loose nukes in Russia, and his lack of funding for searches of containers coming into the US has not made us one damn bit safer.

Take that, Freeper, from my husband, who is a true noble brave man.

[purji]

2. Answer

If you don't like our freedoms maybe you should leave.

[FreedomAngel82]

18. I'm with you!

I'm sick and tired of these freeper freak people telling me to leave because I don't support Bush and his neonazi people. If they don't like me not supporting it THEY should leave. :argh: Nobody is ever telling me to move to France or Germany without hearing a HUGE rant from me.

[democracyindanger]

3. Give a link to Army recruiting

That should shut 'em up.

[roguevalley]

4. ask him when he's enlisting and how many of his kids are. it

appears that he feels this so strongly, why is he not taking part? Ass.

[IrateCitizen]

5. Well, I was at the protest in Fayetteville, NC...

... and several of the speakers there lost family in the WTC. Several more lost children who were in the military and killed in Iraq. Many others were either veterans of the conflict or families of soldiers and marines.

Of course, your freeper friend does not want to hear any of this, so I'd respond instead with, "Don't like free speech? Then LEAVE!"

[chelsea0011]

6. The US was slow to enter WWII

After Japan bombed Pearl Harbor didn't Germany declare war on the US? People have this belief that the US alone saved Europe by destroying Germany. I think the Allies including the Soviets would have something to say about that. They actually might be speaking Russian and not German though.

[HawkerHurricane]

14. You are correct.

The U.S. had a strong pro-German (Nazi) movement called "America First". They were allied with the isolationist movement, who were strong Republicans.
When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, FDR did not call for a declaration of war on Germany for fear that he wouldn't get it. In a move that can only be called stupid, Hitler declared war on the U.S., making the United States the ONLY country the Nazi's declared war on.

[FreedomAngel82]

19. Didn't the nazi's

also want to bomb NYC and make our economy drop?

[HawkerHurricane]

21. Yes.

The 'Amerika Bomber' never managed to get enough range to do it. Plans for submarine launched rockets (with nerve agent payloads... shudder) didn't get past Adm. Donitz (thank Gawd).

[AllegroRondo]

34. Very true.

The 'real' war was in Russia, they lost over 10 million people. By comparison, the US lost 600,000. Even without US involvement, the Russians would have crushed Germany, although it would have taken a couple more years.

[ET Awful]

7. They didn't lose anyone to the WTC attacks?

I guess he should tell that to the "Jersey Girls" group who abhor Bush's policies who lost husbands on 9/11, etc. eh?

You might also want to remind him that the US did NOT enter WWII to save England, or anyone else for that matter. In fact, had Pearl Harbor not been attacked, the US would have remained out of it.

You might also remind him that Dubya's grandpappy was a financial supporter of the Third Reich.

[johnaries]

10. What about the Family's who forced the 9/11 Commission against

Bush's will? Many of the Protester's DID lose loved one's in 9/11. Show them the pictures of the Protestor's at Ft Bragg, our soldiers who FOUGHT in the Iraq war.

[ET Awful]

13. The Jersey Girls are part of the contingent that forced the 9/11

Commission :).

[MemphisTiger]

8. "if it wasn't for us they would be speaking German now"

That should be tatooed on the ass of the republican elephant. Those repubs use that phrase over and over. GET A NEW LINE!!

[freedom_to_read]

11. "if it wasn't for US, 100,000 Iraqies would be speaking now" eom

[XemaSab]

15. Ve are already shpeeking Juh-mann

in Kahlifornya.

Zee nazis are velkomm by inveetaytion ONLY, like any goot club.

[Lone Pawn]

25. And if it weren't for the French, we'd be saying God Save the Queen now.

[MemphisTiger]

31. That's good, I'll have to remember that one

[rainy]

9. Thanks guys, I'm definitely sending him a link to

peaceful tomorrows, a group started by 911 families of victims.
peacefultomorrows.org

[DinahMoeHum]

12. (oops)

n/t

[Blue_Tires]

16. what an assclown

[Mz Pip]

20. 85 % of the folks in NYC

who witnessed and lived through the terrorist attacks voted for Kerry. Does this person really believe that those who do not support Bush should live under Saddam Hussein? Who are these people who are "defacing" the Stars and Stripes? I do not see any epidemic of flag burning among those who fought in WWII. Is there there some huge epidemic of flag burning in NYC?

What the fuck is this person ranting about? Last time I checked Saddam Hussein had lost two wars and was in custody. It is highly unlikely he would have invaded England, or us for that matter.

It's pretty hard to develop a coherent and rational response to mindless and irrational drivel. What our uniting with our Allies in WWII has to do with being against the current US foreign policy is a bogus analogy.

I guess we should all just jump on the Bushie Bandwagon or Saddam will get us. :crazy:

Mz Pip
:dem:

[NoPasaran]

35. "Defacing" the Stars and Stripes?

You mean like this numbnuts?

[emdee]

22. Take it to what bank? China owns us! n/t

n/t

[jdots]

23. A good responce would be no responce.

let them take thier script and repeat it till they choke on it.

[candle_bright]

24. No one should have to leave

This is America. I do think we need to remember we owe a debt of gratitude to the men and women who made our freedoms possible.

I know I take my freedom for granted far too often. I want to stop doing that.

Every time we protest, we must keep this in mind.

[Debs]

28. The soldiers in Iraq

Are in NO WAY fighting for my freedom, don't let the right frame this issue this way. The soldiers in Vietnam were not fighting for my freedom neither were the ones that invaded the Dominican Republic. Since WW2 no possible application of my freedom was at stake when any soldiers were fighting anywhere. That doesn't mean they never should have gone anywhere, I think we should have intervened in Rwanda, but they wouldn't have been fighting for my freedom. The rightwing always wants to pretend that Imperialism is excused because the soldiers are fighting for my freedom when its demonstrable nonsense.

Soldiers sign up out of a sense of duty to serve and protect our country. Who protects them from having their lives held cheap by an unscrupulous president who would use them for any reason less than what is crucial to our country? The only mechanism that exists to do that is public opinion. That is gone out the window if you allow the issue to be framed as they are fighting for our freedom. How is our freedom at stake in Iraq? For my freedom to be at risk from Iraqis they would have to build rafts float over the Atlantic, invade and conquer this nation. Have you ever even imagined a more ludicrous scenario?

This is an attempt to deflect reasoned criticism of the USE of our servicemen and its justification. An extremely weak attempt at that and the only reason it flies is that it has been used over, and over again. Don't be fooled by the repetition. Have you noticed that the same people who talk about freedom are the same ones that seem to hate anyone that actually USES that freedom? In the US the citizens are the top layer of government and the president works for me. I will damn sure tell him when I think he is doing a bad job and he damn sure is. There is no freedom issue here, none whatsoever. The idea that Iraq was a threat to my freedom in delusional to the point of lunacy.

[Warren DeMontague]

26. I love it when people try to silence protest

by ranting about how "under a dictatorship, people would silence your protest".

:eyes:

[lostinacause]

27. The response the individual wrote is GARBAGE

There is not one piece of solid information in there. It is basically all fluff. In the response he is unknowingly justifying not thinking and suggesting others do the same.

The first part about the deaths in the world trade center screams irrationality. There is also a fundamental error regarding people who are not happy with US policy. It implies that you he expects individuals to accept substandard policy because it could be worse. It is not a good reason for a government to choose an action and cannot establish anything. You may want to remind him that America "Came to the rescue" two years after the war started and at that point only after being attacked. America deserves no praise for being there out of personal self interest. If he values being able to hold on to his belief he should value having other people holding on to theirs no matter how wrong he believes they are.

(A word of advice: If you do plan on repeating what I wrote make sure you can explain and justify yourself)

[Wabbajack]

29. Don't bother

go to a mental hospital and tell a bunch of schizophrenics to stop being so crazy, you'll have better luck than trying to convice a freeper of a blatant fact.

[lostinacause]

33. You would be surprised how easy people are to sway,

especially when they have an ounce of rationality. However, when you start to think of opinions as facts you have already lost.

[union_maid]

30. Virtually everyone in the NYC and surrounding areas lost someone

At the very least someone they knew. And most of the relatives and loved ones live in the area, but NYC has made itself very clear in its rejection of Bush and his policies.

[Darth_Kitten]

32. What part of free speech don't they understand?

It doesn't matter if someone knew or didn't know someone lost by terrorism, everyone is affected whenever innocent people are made to suffer.

Let's see what else:

People died so people can have the right to think anyway they wish, not the way this particular freeper wishes they should. He's so against dictatorships? Seems like he wishes that others not have many rights. He's angry and confused. People died for FREEDOM, what does he have against that?

Other countries were fighting the Nazis long before the U.S. was, remind him of that. The U.S. didn't participate in the Battle of Britain, if my memory serves me right. His arrogant attitude stinks. :)

He should worry less about other people's ability to learn languages if he cannot reason at even an elementary school level. ;)