Anyone see Gavin Newsom on Hardball?

[angryinoville]

He was great! Why can't all dems truly stand up for the party's core beliefs and actually do something about it like he has?

[mitchtv]

1. Shucks missed him

I love GN- Governor material- Senator material

[ruggerson]

2. Anyone know what time Tweety repeats?

[angryinoville]

9. 11pm EST

Can anyone name five other democrats who have put their money where their mouth is the way he has? (Maybe Howard Dean, okay name four)

[BlackVelvetElvis]

3. Chris tried to "hardball" him

and Newsom just gave it back to him.
I like what he said about dems standing up for civil rights after Truman. Even though it caused the dems to lose the south, he considered it one of the proudest moments of the party.

[Ruffhowse]

4. I saw him. He was remarkable. I think he has a terrific future with the

party if the party is smart enough. No more Joe Leibermans.

[purduejake]

5. They're starting to...

and only dems with some guts will ever get my vote. The guy is a hero and will always be remembered as one.

[cry baby]

6. He is the first Dem that absolutely kept up with the trick questions

that Tweety sent his way. Newsom also didn't let Tweety put words in his mouth. I believe he has a bright future in politics.

Edit: he is hot, too!

[Placebo]

7. He's too cute.

Sorry...someone had to say it, it might as well be me dammit! :P

[ruggerson]

8. And single n/t

[evlbstrd]

10. Dare it be said...

...Kennedeyesque, without the baggage?

[priller]

16. I thought he was married to that gorgeous woman on Court TV

Her mouth is too big, but otherwise she's stunning. Are they no longer together?

[Awsi Dooger]

21. I thought so too; Kimberly Gilfoyle Newsom

A few months ago I heard they were separated and she was living in New York. Recently, I heard her mention that she goes home to her apartment and her pets after the show. No mention of him.

I agree with your assessment of her. Also she looks very skinny. But compared to Nancy Grace...

[demokatgurrl]

25. I also heard they are separated-

bicoastal marriage was too stressful.

[siliconefreak]

28. Gavin and Kimberly

They're officially divorced now, from what I understand.

And some of us find a large mouth attractive. :7

[BamaLefty]

11. As Strong As He Is...

He very well may have won it for Bush this year. It fired up the lunatic Kool-Aid drinkers.

[Mz Pip]

12. Sad but true

I loved it when he was supporting Gay Marriage in San Francisco. There were so many happy people here.

The RW sure went to town with it. Though, I suspect they would have found sometihing else to get all snarky about.

I admire Gavin. He did the right thing regardless of the political ramifications. Waiting for the 'right time" to support civil rights isn't what progressive politics should be about. We could be waiting and waiting and waiting. For lots of things.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[BamaLefty]

13. You've Got A Good Point

And I agree that we shouldn't have a time table for civil rights.

It just sucks to lose too though. Either way ya know. :shrug:

[autorank]

27. Ahmmm...Bush didn't win. They stole it. Nevertheless, it's a good questi

on to answer. I liked Newsom's answer: the anti gay amendment was on the burner before he did a thing. This cost us some votes on the margins but those folks, the yahoos, would have found another reason to vote for *. I thought Newsom rocked. In 10 years, the guy is golden.

[AP]

14. Newsom's carreer is built on helping developers.

He tries to offset a very pro-developer agenda by being a social liberal, particularly on gay issues and race.

It raises the question of whether it is better for SF to have a mayor who cares about not transferring their wealth to their landlords' pockets, or if they're better off having a mayor who makes a public stand on race and sexuality while doing little to make sure that the single biggest expense for most black and gay people in SF doesn't take such a big piece of their paycheck.

[Califooyah Operative]

15. I saw it.

I don't necessarily agree w/everything he says, but I trust and respect the guy for sticking up for what he believes, and for having a head on his shoulders not allowing mathews to frame the debate against democrats. He's right though and intelligent and courageous on a lot. I wish he would embrace civil unions as part of the strategy, and push it first, so we could have some real and pragmatic goals, accomplishments, and progress, which would be significant steps to moving this country away from radical right wing control -if we got democrats back in congress and into the white house -we'd be in a position to bring about real equal rights, civil rights change. Civil Unions would take away the radical/religous rights rhetorical, and politically manipulative fire power. Whether he/we like it or not, because of his actions, the radical religous right was able to claim marriage was under attack, and to mobolize on such a divisve issue, putting gay marriage bans on the ballot in 13(?) states all states that went red, -it's not neusoms fault, but it was poor strategy, and he gave the right what they wanted.

[AP]

17. Yeah. I wish someone would argue about taking religion out of the

government proclamation that two people can share all the legal rights that married people get.

Democrats should be arguing that government should only give the legal rights, and should give them regardless of gender, and that churches can confer the religious part, if they want, and that churches can do whatever they want, and that's it's not the government's business to tell them who they can and cannot marry, just as it's not the church's business to tell the government who they can and cannot recognize as a single tax-paying unit or can give and receive tax-free transfers of all assets on death, etc.

[Change has come]

18. Excellent point AP N/T

[FrenchieCat]

19. Sorry, but I have problems with Newsome.

When he announced in San Francisco that Gay couples could marry, it was done right dab in the middle of the General Election. It allowed the Gay Marriage issue to roar all over America with the Corporate media aiming their cameras at the San Francisco Courthouse. The images of gays marrying was played on TV over and over again.....right when the mass voters were trying to decide what the election issues would be.

Gavin Newsome's timing help cost Democrats the election. I don't see how that is so great. Waiting till after the election would have been strategically much wiser.

I want to like Gavin Newsome, but his timing was super shitty.

[sandnsea]

20. Well, let's remember history a bit now

He did the gay marriage in San Francisco at the exact time Massachusetts was in the news over their gay marriage legislation. I think he took the focus off Massachusetts by actually having the gay marriage ceremonies. I kind of thought it was a good strategy at the time. We would have had those gay marriage amendments on the ballot anyway, Bush made it an issue in the SOTU.

[ZootSuitGringo]

29. I disagree that MA's was allover the news,

MA came in relatively long before SF, and had started to die down. The S.F. announcement just reved things to a new fever pitch. MA was a supreme court ruling, SF was gay marriages happening with plenty of footage for each news show.

I think the problem with history, is that people forget quite a bit.

Supreme court bans the ban on same sex marriage was mid Nov 2003.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/11/18/gay.marriage.reut/

Gavin Newsom moved on the issue on February 17, 2004 - right in the middle of the primaries.
http://www.theimpactonline.com/news/2004/02/20/Opinion/San-Francisco.Defies.State.Law.And.Marries.Homosexuals.The.Gay.Community.Rejoice-610961.shtml

Gavin moved on the issue a full 4 months after MA.

I do agree that his timing was lousy. He would have been much better off letting the issue calm down much more, and possibly moving on it soon after the election.

[sandnsea]

30. Massachusetts legislature 2/13/2004

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/02/13/mass.marriage/

After the SF gay marriages, all the attention went there. And to Portland, NM, and that city in NY that performed them too.

The attention was pretty much taken off Massachusetts after that point, when it was clear Kerry was going to be the candidate.

[angryinoville]

26. I think the timing was perfect...

Like he was saying, back in '67 most of Americans were uncomfortable w/certain hot-button issues which seem like nothing nowadays. These issues have to be tackled. It just showed how ignorant and scared ultra consevatives are

[merbex]

22. He was articulate and passionate about his beliefs.

Very refreshing.

Tweety was his usual rude self, interupting constantly,and Newsom wouldn't give an inch.

I liked the fact that Newsom alluded to the fact that most politicians are with him on this issue personally but won't publicly go there. Repugs as well as Dems.

The right wing fundies have got to wake up and start to realize that they are being used by Repug pols in Washington. IMHO,once they realize that the fundies will stay home and not vote. They will feel betrayed. There goes the base. If they only knew just how many in their Party were actually practising gays it would be like telling every 6 year old in the country at the same time that there is no Santa.

Devastated ( but appropriate considering I think they all have the minds of 6 yr olds)

[Donailin]

23. He was awesome

It was so refreshing to hear someone play hardball and clean Matthews clock. Chris was a total ass, and I really despise the way he puts words into people's mouths.

[Donailin]

24. oh yeah, and he has

really white teeth <g>

[terrya]

31. In the ultimate victory of the rights of same-sex couples to legally marry

Gavin Newsom will be rightly seen as a hero. Period.