Wow! Democrats really DID kill the Gannon story.

[Dr Fate]

Not a peep about it anymore even on DU.

I know- Iknow- some of them "wrote letters." Great- people in the 1890's wrote plenty of them too. There is is this newer invention called "the TV"- where you go on and tell millions of people things.

Could have been the scandal to expose media corruption- it even had "the sex" to keep the swing-voters interested.

Too bad Kerry, Dean, Obama, Hillary, etc were too chicken to talk about it to Wolf Blitzers face.

Look back to the Gannon model when we lose in 2006.

Democrats REFUSE to stand up to Bush/media.

Tell me why I'm supposed to proud of people who are afraid of the likes of Judy Woodruff, Wolf Blitzer and Karl Rove.

[elperromagico]

1. I think they're trying to pick their battles.

Social Security: Big battle.

Gannongate: Ehh. Not so much.

Is it a wise decision? I don't know; time will tell.

[Dr Fate]

2. We lose ALL battles until we expose media bias/corruption.

When we lose in 2006, think back to my comments.

[elperromagico]

3. I'm not saying it's a wise strategy.

I'm just saying it seems to be the strategy they're going with.

[Dr Fate]

7. I AM saying that it is a SHITTY strategy.

We lose All BATTLES UNTIL WE TAKE ON GOP/MEDIA CORRUPTION.

[marcologico]

10. You're right. But it's a stinky battle and nobody wants to lead it.

Too bad because we could pin BushCo to the mat if anybody had the nuts to mix it up.

[Blue Christmas]

42. No more "stinky" than a certain "internally" placed cigar...

Apologies for that crude phrasology, but the double-standard/bias shown by contrasting the Monica coverage vs. the Gannon coverage infuriates me...

[FreedomAngel82]

9. Yes

And for all we know they could have someone out on this. I'm sure they have connections and all that. ;) They don't want to not have anything and then hang themselves with the story. That'd be very dangerous for them to be able to do anything.

[Dr Fate]

16. Never a shortage of excuses for why we cant KICK ASS, is there???

???

[zann725]

66. I agree! If they don't take this and run with it...

n/t

[mattclearing]

15. Why can't we fight all the battles?

Seems to me we have some making up for lost time to do.

[elperromagico]

18. Don't ask me. Light a fire under the Dem leadership's collective ass.

Maybe, just maybe, they'll start fighting all the battles.

But I doubt it.

[Dr Fate]

20. We cant fight ANY battle until we expose media corruption.

And since DEMS are too stupid or too cowardly to FIGHT the media, we will lose in 2006.

This is geting OLD.

I want to see DEMS punch the GOP/media in their god-damned throats- just ONCE- like they do to us every single day, for 8 years- I just want us to do it once- just once.

NAHHHHHH- that would be "too radical."

[mattclearing]

22. As long as we crumble when some media whore talks shit...

...we will deserve whatever we get.

[Dr Fate]

23. "We" dont crumble- its the "leaders" who do that.

I meet REAL DEMS in the god-damned grocery line that have more balls than these guys.

[mattclearing]

26. I know. But I look at them, and sadly, I see "we."

We, as in the Party. We aren't cutting it. The Dems in leadership positions are doing everything they can to give us the impression they get the message without actually getting the message.

I saw Al Franken on Letterman a few weeks back, when Condi Rice was being confirmed, and Letterman asked, "You think Condi Rice will be a good Secretary of State."

Franken said, "No. Terrible."

Is that so hard? All I want is some honesty, something that sounds true when you hear them say it.

All I hear when Dem politicians criticize Republicans is half-hearted bullshit, like they are trying to convince us, despite their utter lack of ability to mount a proper opposition, that they still care what we think.

I'm not fooled. I want every one of them out for blood.

If you aren't outraged, you aren't paying attention.

WTF?

[tom_paine]

52. Well said and TRUE, Dr Fate

Dean stands head and shoulders above that bunch of sheep, and that is an improvement, but we need still better.

Perhaps he will in time.

But you are correct, that is a shitty strategy and I am SICK of it.

But the Dem Leadership isn't. What they need is a small child to yell in the silence of the Imperial Congressional Chambers, "But The Emperor Has No Clothes"

Of course, that poor kid would be having electrodes connected to his nut sack in Gitmo in no time.

[sendero]

67. I agree...

.... I think we should literally TARGET every Dem who advanced the Bankruptcy bill for electoral defeat.

Cut off our nose to spite our faces you say?

No, we should try to replace them with another Dem. But personally, I'm tired of supporting Dems who do the right thing one time out of 3.

I'd just as soon have a puke as a bought and sold Dem who will not stand on principle for anything. At least then we could have a Dem senate that stands together, and doesn't give "bipartisan" cover for the endless stream of odious legislation the pukes are passing.

---
Dear Democratic Traitor,

Once again you have sided with the Republicans and against ordinary Americans you were elected to represent. As a spokesman for the Committee for a Real Democratic Congress, I wish to inform you that you have been targeted for electoral defeat when your term is completed. We don't need you, we don't want you, and we are going to raise a lot of money to defeat you.

---

ok, that felt good

[BlueManDude]

60. I'm still waiting for JK to defend his honor

let me know when he decides that it's not OK for his heroic service to be cast as a self-serving vacation in the jungle.

[shance]

4. LOL! "People in the 1890's wrote plenty of letters too"

Thanks Doc***

I did need a laugh tonight.

[Dr Fate]

6. When the base complains about DEMs not fighting...

...they can say "But we wrote letters- didnt you read about it on the internet at 1:00AM in the morning? Now about that check to the DNC..."

[marcologico]

8. Speaking of the DNC...

Letters and legislation (26 House Dems are forcing a vote on a resolution of inquiry) are better than dead silence.

[Dr Fate]

13. If it's not "on the TV", it didn't happen.

I give up- why should I beat a horse that DEMS already killed?

[marcologico]

24. The legislators are legislating. Tell screamer to do his thing.

Somebody isn't pulling his weight. Just my opinion.

[Dr Fate]

25. They won't be legislating in 2006.

At least some of them won't.

Not unless we start thinking outside the box and start stirring things up.

Just my opinion.

We can wait and wait & wait for the GOP/media to fall on their sword- it aint gonna happen- WE have to STAB them- every night, on TV.

No one said anything about screaming- I'm talking about good old-fashioned blunt truth telling-using "hot" language that people understand. No screaming is necessary.

[TreasonousBastard]

29. OK, so how...

we gonna do this since in order to nail them on TV we have to get on TV.

You get on TV by being invited there. And who do they invite?

All the talk in the world doesn't mean jack unless someone besides three geeks watching CSPAN sees it.

[Dr Fate]

31. Who has ever refused Kerry, Obama , Dean or Hillary a live interview???

Answer me that one.

[loudsue]

35. They'll give 'em a "live interview", Dr.Fate: But they'll edit the hell

out of it, before it reaches the eyes of the masses!!

How come all we hear is the "Dean scream", instead of what else was going on in the auditorium?

You guessed it....they EDITED it out, and spun it to their liking.

:kick::kick::kick:

[marcologico]

68. Goes with the territory. The point is to say it in a way

that raises the issue without making unsupportable claims:

"I'm hearing a lot of concerns from my constituents who are worried that our country's security may have been compromised."

"It's important for Democrats to establish whether impeachable offenses were committed."

p.s turning down interview requests from CBS and NPR is not going to help. :mad:

[lojasmo]

47. You aren't pulling your weight.

As I've said before, many times, being an internet warrior won't cut it. you've got the address, phone number, and e-mail to the DNC. Use it.

[shance]

12. ROFL!*** Too true

that's good doctah.

:D

[Mabus]

5. I'm still wondering about Gannon's comment about Biden

I got this information from a DU post I saw last night (that I don't know where it is now).

This is a quote from Gannon's blog at http://www.jeffgannon.com/ Apparently Jeff/James was watching "Real Time with Bill Maher" the other day when Joe Biden was on. Here's the rent boy's entry:

4:17pm

I watched a clip of Sen. Joe Biden on Bill Maher's HBO crapfest. I wonder why he didn't mention meeting me some years ago. C'mon Joe, think...

Now what the hell does this mean? Does it explain this? http://www.rawstory.com/news/2005/index.php?p=123

In seeming break with his public comments on discredited White House reporter Jeff Gannon, Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) has declined to sign a letter calling for an inquiry, RAW STORY has learned. 2/24/05

[Old and In the Way]

11. Could be good old head games.

Those pages are an unproven association. That comment says nothing, but implies a lot. The whole point now could be turned on us and make us start to wonder if our Democrats have something to hide. Personally, I don't see GG as Biden's....

[Mabus]

14. Oops I added some text

through editing while you were posting your response.

[FreedomAngel82]

17. Who knows?

I don't believe anything from him. He's still trying to deny those porno photos. :eyes:

[grasswire]

28. what it means..........

...is that a prostitute who entered the WH every day under an alias and under the protection of someone in the WH has threatened the ranking member of the Senate Intelligence Committee with blackmail.

That's what it means.

It's a shocking, shreiking matter of national security.

[Old and In the Way]

30. Too scary to even contemplate.....

This deserves its own thread....

[TexasLawyer]

57. good catch

It would be difficult to come up with a lamer set of excuses than these.

2/24/2005
Biden declines to sign letter for Gannon inquiry, while Kerry signs
Filed under: General— site admin @ 10:30 am


<snip>

Biden press secretary Chip Unruh said the senator was not given enough time to carefully consider the letter circulated by Democratic whip Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL). Unruh expressed frustration that his office was given only a few hours to seek the senator’s opinion.

“We don’t sign onto every letter that comes through our office,” Unruh said. “If we had more time to give it thoughtful consideration maybe we could have, but it was a moot point because my boss was on the West Coast.”

[Mabus]

65. He's had more time with that damned letter

and deciding whether or not to sign it then he's spent going through some of BushCo's bills before he voted to go along with them. I don't get it.

[fooj]

19. You might want to check out Gannon Wrinkles 1-12!

We're "peeping" alright! Have you no faith? Peace.

[Dr Fate]

21. My aunts & uncles dont read DU- they watch "the TV"

And they have no idea who Gannon is, nor will they ever.

[Old and In the Way]

32. I like the way you say that....

they watch "the TV". A rather passive, one way experience. No questions asked or answered, just mind numbing news programming designed to intellectually incompacitate the consumer. Watch it long enough and you lose the ability to understand what is going on in the world that surrounds you.

[Dr Fate]

34. Problem is, those folks are the "swing voters."

And we CAN reach them- but top, house-hold name DEMS have to go "on the TV" and stick our necks out to do it.

[Old and In the Way]

38. Getting "on the TV" seems to be the problem.

Only media approved Democrat these days seems to be Lieberman. Getting media oxygen from the Republican owned corporate media is a rather daunting task for Democrats.

[marcologico]

69. All they have to do is open their mouths and say it.

They can call a press conference any old time they want. If they say the magic word ("impeach") it'll be on everybody's evening news.

[sandnsea]

36. It's been on the teevee

Every single channel there is, several times each. If they don't know, they didn't want to know when they heard it and selectively ignored it. A gay reporter just didn't seem all that important to them, which doesn't surprise me. Another fake reporter out of the Bush Administration MIGHT have gotten their atttention, but the blogosphere decided to go with the sex angle. Don't blame the Dem leadership when it's the grassroots who can't get their shit together.

[tinanator]

64. then tell em!

otherwise its nobodies fault but thine

[jojo54]

27. This fight is gonna take awhile

The letters were written and submitted but the Repukes are gonna drag their feet on this. As long as the Dems keep pushing the envelope, maybe, just MAYBE something will come of it (no pun intended).

[Dr Fate]

33. The GOP/media will do more than "drag their feet"-they will ignore it.

They have no intention of running stories telling viewers how corrupt they are- but no one is stopping top DEMS from going on these shows & saying to their faces.

[autorank]

37. Yup, yup...pretty weak. What the F are they afraid of?

[NightOwwl]

39. Check this out, from non other than GOPUSA:

written after the Kerry/Edwards fundraiser where Whoopi Goldberg appeared. Starts off with the usual moral outrage, then deteriorates into vile hateful Kerry-bashing (link provided, if you want to step into the shit):

"The evening's Emcee was a wine-swilling Whoopie Goldberg, who slurringly made crude and tasteless jokes which could best be described as her variation on "The "Vagina Monologues." Goldberg, using frat-boy humor coupled with rude gesturing, combined the names "George Bush" and "Dick Cheney" in order to make obscene, lurid and utterly predictable vulgarisms."

link: http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/jking/2004/jk_0719.shtml

[cestpaspossible]

40. So because Dean, Kerry, et al didn't do what you want --

they're 'chicken'.


Wow that is some insightful analysis you've got going there.

[cestpaspossible]

41. BLAMING THE VICTIM

[Gyre]

43. Good catch!

[Bouncy Ball]

45. Then why doesn't the victim fight back?

Why constantly be a victim?

[cestpaspossible]

46. That is false.

[Bouncy Ball]

51. What is false?

You didn't answer either one of my questions.

[Bouncy Ball]

56. So instead of answering me, you send me a snarky

PM then disable the ability to get PMs back.

Hmmm. :eyes:

[Bouncy Ball]

44. I think it IS fair to say had the republicans gotten wind of

something like this when WE were in power, all hell would break loose. Yes, they have the media on their side, but it would help if Dems at the top (or their surrogates) would occasionally make hay out of this stuff, get the ball rolling, etc.

I can sort of see both sides on this but I do wonder why Dems (elected) don't grab the ball we give them and run with it.

[bobthedrummer]

48. Maybe he is Johnny Gosch, I've read some of those threads and don't

dismiss that there is some factual basis in this now quiet and covered up scandal that merit full investigation along the lines established by the Franklin Credit/callboy case during Reagan/Bush.

[lojasmo]

49. Kerry et. al. should have covered media manipulation earlier

Like after the 2000 elections. Dean was speaking out about this over the last two years. Kerry and his cronies should have been working to re-regulate the media long ago.

Dean has been chairman for less than a month, and I'll be the feels he's got bigger fish to fry than one hooker in the white house.

This is a drop in the bucket.

[Al-CIAda]

54. Gannon should be the poster boy battering ram that is used to expose

all the payola, complicity, and corruption of the 4th estate.

[lojasmo]

55. I'd say that NOVAK would be a better choice

After outing plame. A treasonous act that actually endangered lives and national security.

[MadHound]

50. C'mon Doc,

You know as well as I do that the Dems aren't going to stand up to their corporate masters, just as the Repugs won't. It is the same old story, the two party/same corporate master system of government. Granted, there will be many people within the party and without, good liberals all, that will try to fight this corporate media madness. But don't expect any sort of organized opposition to come from the party leadership, or the party itself. Like the old saying goes "He who pays the nickel gets to call the dance." Well, corporate America is paying a lot more than a nickel, and they're getting a lot of dancing done, on both sides of the aisle. Just witness the '96 Telecom Act, pushed through by the Dems in Congress and Clinton. Nice dancing there, eh?

So with this corporate controlled government, where can ordinary citizens have their voice heard? Certainly not through the corporate controlled media, much less the corporate controlled political parties. Perhaps it is time to find an outlet that isn't corporate controlled. Perhaps it is time for people in the Democratic party, and liberals in general to play the last card they have left, to take their votes elsewhere, until the party decides to listen to us again.

[Joanne98]

63. It's called "The Washington Consensus".

If you don't know what it is. Google it. Oh! And Bono is going to be the next President of The World Bank! They corrupt EVERYTHING!

[lojasmo]

53. I propose we call this "pulling a marco"

when a poster flogs an issue over and over in multiple posts.

[KoKo]

58. It's simple.....they are all waiting for the "Internets" to get the info..

If we get it they will still bury it, if we don't then they haven't stepped over a line.

And...what if Jimmy/Jeff has a "List" with both Dems and Repugs on it. I assume he does because why didn't he slink off after he was found out.

So, it's maybe a "cat and mouse" wait and see with them. It's still amazing to me that no one knows anything about his life after college. Even the Delaware Newspaper where he supposedly lives doesn't seem forthcoming.

But, I think the Kossacks are working on this in the "back room" over there. I figure they will keep coming up with info.

Jimmy/Jeff has some big blank spaces in his life, and probably a large black book with names or a back up "Hard Drive" locked in a safety deposit box. :eyes:

[John_H]

59. Overstated but true.

Our party is run by prom-queens of all ages and both genders.

[DancingBear]

61. Hello Dr.- have we been formally introduced?

I used to be a moderate - and you are so spot on with this that I stand and salute.

Here we have a prostitute for hire, AND he's gay, AND he gets access to the WH, AND he submits pre-arranged questions (coming no doubt from Limbaugh and/or Hannity), AND he lies his ass off anytime anyone asks him anything...

Put a (D) next to his name, put Clinton in the White House, and try and guess when the attacks from Republicans would STOP. With these cowardly bastards on "our" side, one wonders when they'll start. Sickening.

Oh, but the blogs know all about it, don't you know. My relatives and your relatives and everybody else's relatives think Gannon is the guy that was Joe Friday's partner on Dragnet, but the blogs and DU are all over it.

Yee-haw.

[montana500]

62. yep

"
Too bad Kerry, Dean, Obama, Hillary, etc were too chicken to talk about it to Wolf Blitzers face.

Look back to the Gannon model when we lose in 2006."




corporate right wing media exposure is priority #1. We failed, and likely lost the 2006 elections by not using Gannon as a huge stepping stone.