Whjy Are We Asking If All These Folks Are Gay As If There's Something

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Wrong With It?


I could give a flip if Rush or Karl Rove or any of the Bush enablers are gay...

[Placebo]

1. It's not about if they're gay...

it's that if they really are gay, and conservative gay-bashing republicans, they're hypocrites and need to be exposed.

[noamnety]

8. Exactly

If one of the folks pushing that bill to outlaw low waisted pants showed up to sign the bill wearing pants that showed their undies, wouldn't that be worthy of comment?

[AntiCoup2K4]

36. Good point, but your analogy doesn't work

In order for your hypothetical to be comparable to Gannon/Drudge/Rush/Savage/whomever, there would be a person who always showed up for Congressional hearings in a suit, but then wore "low-riders" on the weekend, perhaps while cruising the South Florida rave clubs with Rush & Drudge. Or if they had a secret website called "men-4-hiphuggers.com

[donheld]

16. Placebo You Rock

that exactly what it's about.

[crispini]

21. You said it! nt

[October]

30. Exactly!

[rox63]

2. It shows BushCo up as even bigger hypocrites

And it pisses off their wingnut supporters. Works for me.

[Liberal Veteran]

3. Gay republicans are collaborators in the oppression of gay people.

And for that, I intend to expose them where I can and watch their "friends" in the republican party turn on them like wolves.

I don't suffer collaborators gladly.

[bear425]

26. I totally agree. The hypocrites need to be exposed. n/t

[LittleClarkie]

37. The Log Cabin Republicans endorsed Kerry this election

Just thought I'd say...

[bear425]

40. Good for their group, however, any gay Repub who voted,

endorsed, or otherwise supported blivet* is a self-hating hypocrite in my book.

[TheWebHead]

4. probably because of the hypocrisy related to conservative policy

[blondeatlast]

5. The rampant, hideous, in-your-face-hypocrisy of it.

If the thought of Ken Mehlman's enablings doesn't make your skin crawl...

[shraby]

6. And if prostitution comes into the

picture that's illegal, even though it may be "m4m"

[DrWeird]

7. I was wondering when somebody was going to ask this. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. Nothing Wrong With Being Gay, Straight Or Bi

but there is something wrong with being a Pug....

[blondeatlast]

10. Even more wrong with being an enabling, hypocritical Republican

like Mehlman.

[blm]

11. We don't care that they are gay. HOW are they USING it to advance Bush's

agenda?

There is something seriously bizarre going on and the gay aspect is probably the least of it.

[KT2000]

12. RW closeted gay men using gay marriage

as a wedge issue to get * installed in the last election?

Gee - what would the conned red state have to say about that?

If this is truly the case - that hypocrisy needs to be revealed to the public.

Then we can honestly pursue avenues of tolerance and respect for each other instead of the divide and conquer that the RW is using to destroy this country.

[ClassWarrior]

13. It's an awesome wedge.

NGU.

[zann725]

19. How truly ironic that Life is often stranger and 'larger'

than fiction (as written daily by Repug hacks such as Gannon).

[karlrschneider]

14. As most everyone has said, it's the hypocrisy. I know a lot of gay people

most of them are great people, but as in any demographic, there are a few assholes. One of my best friends from high school married, had 3 kids and I never knew until a few years ago (he called me out of the blue after 20 years of no contact)that he was gay. It took him from 1962 to 1992 to admit to come out of the closet. He located me by calling my mom and wanted to come see me...and did, bringing along his 15 year old son - who is now happily married with kids (and understands about the 'gay thing' in a way that wasn't really feasible in the early 1960s...and says he's straight which we believe) - a very nice kid. My friend loves his grandkids and they love him. Uh, well, this thread just reminded me of this, it's not important. Carry on y'all! :D

[dusty64]

15. I've been debating whether

or not to "out" a rather famous bush fan since I found out from a reliable source that they like little boys. Should I or shouldn't I?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. Pederasty Is Illegal

eom

[htuttle]

20. Since that is, in fact, an illegal practice

I'd opt for outing them, if the source is reliable.

Wouldn't be the first famous Bush fan with that particular illness...

[blondeatlast]

35. Call the cops instead. The word will get out soon enough, even in

DC.

[ultraist]

22. "liking little boys" WTF? Are gay men also child molestors?

Would you like to clarify that? Has this guy been accused of child molesting and how does that relate to being gay? The fact is, MOST child molestors are hetero males who molest girls.

I understand the hypocrisy end, but too often do I see these threads that bring up race or sexual orientation become vieled bashing threads. Did anyone see where condisleezy was called a "house N******" ? Case in point.

The gay aspect is not really the issue here, is it? Did this guy advocate for anti-gay measures? If not, it's not all that relevant.

We know that Cheney's daughter is gay. So what.

This line of conversation could easily appear as attacking someone based on the sexual orientation or race.

[dusty64]

32. Yeah that would be interesting

as I myself have been openly gay my entire life and faithfully with my partner for the last 16 years. But the abomination in the WH and his legions of flying monkeys are working full bore to take away my rights and turn me and my partner into third class citizens. It doesn't matter that our relationship has outlasted half of the "christian" taliborgs in the Bible belt working so feverishly to protect themselves from us. Fuckin hypocrites.

This IS war, a war the regressives have been waging against us (unanswered) for years. Yes, I believe what happens between consenting adults ought to be personal, but the repigs impeached our last elected President for just that and are trying to amend our Constitution to outlaw ME! Its time to fight back using whatever means necessary, if that means climbing into the gutter with these fascist bastards so be it.

I thought of outing this idiot since he loves the emperor and everything he stands for. Hypocritical regressives are the norm as I don't see them rushing to the recruiting station (gay or straight)to fight his illegal war they adore so much. I dislike ALL of these bushloving morons and whores and I especially loath gay ones and wish they'd never get laid again. The little boy was significantly younger than the regressive I'm referring to, but no, the person who I know pretty well who caught them didn't ask for an ID so I don't know if he was were under 18.

[KittyWampus]

44. Plenty Of Guys "Like Little Boys". Remember Jr's SOTU Mention Of

child prostitution. It was bizarre and out of place. IMO, a veiled threat.

BTW, Poster didn't mention "child molesting".

You did.


And I'm starting to believe the Boys Town rumors.

[ArtVandaley]

25. Night and day difference between a gay man and a pediphile

The same differance as a straight man and a rapist. Rapists and child molesters are the scum of the earth, and deserve to be "outed," castrated and stoned.

It actually bothers me when people try to associate the two groups together. Rape and molestation are acts of violence, not sexuality,

The way I view homosexuality is that it's tough enough finding someone you love, why the hell should I stand in your way if you have and it happens to be with someone of your own sex?

[ultraist]

27. I was referring to this post that said, "like little boys"

"dusty64 (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-09-05 07:30 PM
Response to Original message
15. I've been debating whether
or not to "out" a rather famous bush fan since I found out from a reliable source that they like little boys. Should I or shouldn't I?"


Big leap from gay to "liking little boys" just the type of shit that happens during this line of conversation.

[ArtVandaley]

29. I wasn't responding to your post

I was responding to the other one. Did it come up as a response to yours? For some reason it didn't on my computer.

[dusty64]

34. See my reply post

above!

[blondeatlast]

33. Call the cops. The hell with a damn website.

What a strange post. Call the cops.

I mean, really.

[LoZoccolo]

45. Yes, it's time for KNIVES OUT!

(Figuratively, of course.)

These are people who would torture people! Give 'em four years of this! Put as many of them in jail as we can, where they can't hurt people!

[mzmolly]

17. HYPOCRITES. That's why.

It's not about being gay, it's about slamming others for the same choice they're possibly making.

[starroute]

23. It's not just the hypocrisy

There's a certain style of homoerotic fantasy that's far more about power than about sex. Think about Nazi propaganda posters, for example. In Nazi art, there is a glorification of the male body while the women are virtually invisible. For the Nazis, women were expected to be dowdy little hens, all caught up in children-kitchen-church. Women were not sex objects.

It's that whiff of fascism -- or at least of extreme male power-tripping -- that's disturbing in something like Gannon's military fetishism. It's the suggestion that these people are after a world that excludes the feminine principle, and thus excludes the life-affirming quality of normal sex (both gay and straight), that makes it seem like they've been caught out in something reprehensible.

[mzmolly]

24. Wow,

profoundly disturbing.

[ArtVandaley]

28. Bad post, especially here

That was too strange for me to even comment on. I'll give you a chance to explain yourself, because that was incredibly homophobic and innappropriate, therefore I'm hoping you meant something else.

[ultraist]

31. What's homophobic? I must have missed something.

I'm being serious, not snotty. :D

The stuff about the male eroticism and domination?

[lakemonster11]

39. I thought it was a good post.

Both appropriate and well-explained.

[starroute]

46. Maybe I can put it into terms that won't offend you

If you don't mind a little psychobabble, I believe that it's essential for men to accept and embrace their anima -- their inner female nature. If they are straight, they might do this by honoring and respecting women and perceiving female sexuality as an object of veneration. If they are gay, they might do it by embodying their own female side in one way or another.

However, there are also men who fear and reject their female nature. If they are straight, this tends to come out in the form of a dislike of women, an attempt to over-control the women with whom they are associated and repress their sexuality, and often also an exaggerated homophobia. If they are gay, it may appear as an avoidance of everything female, a hyper-masculinity, and an aesthetic of war and destruction. Both these patterns can be seen in warrior cultures of the past, both are amply represented among conservatives today, and I believe that both are basically twisted and disfunctional.

Understand that I am not drawing a line between straight and gay or, for that matter, between men and women. I am drawing a line between those who can accept their own psychic mirror-self and those who cannot.

[amazona]

38. well i do care...it's the hypocrisy

Rush, Bush, Victor Ashe, and the rest of the sorry gang should not be allowed to indulge in their chosen pleasures while condemning it for others. This fear of calling out the hypocrites has got to stop.

I'm sorry but there IS something wrong with gay-baiters then going home and being allowed to quietly enjoy gay relationships when regular gay couples are facing an uphill battle for rights.

They should be outed every one.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[David Zephyr]

41. Echoing Here: It's the Hypocrisy!

[No Exit]

42. Yes, but

When you are facing an opponent, you have to learn to not only think like your opponent, but also try to think as your opponent's supporters think.

This is something that attorneys learn. For example, you can't necessarily get only people on your jury who you know are sympathetic towards your client. You know there are going to be some people who probably, b/c of their background and views, will come into the trial more sympathetic towards your opponent's viewpoint.

If you want to persuade those people to come over to your side, you have to put yourself in their shoes, and try to think as they think.

Okay, now--in this case, your opponents are the diehard "Christian" right-wing, allegedly "family-values" types, right? Try to think just like one of these people (painful as that may be.)

What do they abhor? One of the things they abhor is homosexuality. Now, we want them to turn on their own "leaders", don't we? Sure we do. So, if they find that one of their leaders is a member of "the other side" (us... the people who are at least somewhat supportive of homosexuals), they will begin to turn on him. This is a good thing. If they turn on all or most of their leaders, they end up without any leaders, and that's when we move in and... win!

[KuTava]

43. Shouldn't we welcome them?

Labeling people who come out of the closet "hypocrites" is hardly a way to empty the closets. THEY'RE supposed to be the party that hates gays. Why should we join them in this?

[Warren Stupidity]

48. what's his name

didn't 'come out of the closet', instead it appears he was happily living at least two lives, one as a super conservative republican operative assigned to pose softball questions at presidential news briefings and press conferences, advocating the anti-gay agenda of the theocratic right, among other noxious positions, the other it seems as a male prostitute offering his services to the gay community. He didn't come out of the closet, the door got opened and there he was exposed for all to see. He didn't come out of the closet, he got outted. He didn't come out of the closet to face rejection from us mean, mean democrats, he got exposed as a vile hypocrite.

His sexuality is not the problem. The fact that he is a complete fraud, yet another paid journalist hack, and not even a journalist to boot, the fact that the administration is deliberately engaged in fraud and manipulation, that is the problem. What's his name's sideline as a male whore is just another bizarre sideshow from the odd cast of the 'family values party'. He joins Lush Rumpballs in the list of 'how bad can they be and still the MSM acts like they are normal' stars of the rethuglican hooligan hit parade.

Dan Rather gets roved and the media howls for weeks, never asking once where the forged documents might have come from and how, almost before CBS released them, the rethuglican media machine knew they were bogus.

Dean tries to motivate his campaign and the media goes into the dean scream loop nonstop for a week or two until they are absolutely sure he is deader than dead.

The republicans get caught with another on-the-dole journalist who it turns out is in the white house daily, is using a false name, is not a journalist, and just happens to be a male whore on the side and we should be careful to welcome the whore and celebrate his sexuality? I think not. I think we should go for the jugular.

It is a war. The stakes are unbelievably high. We are not going to nice them to death.

[leesa]

47. Because they would eventually like to lock up or execute gays

Perhaps best to put all the cards on the table