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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:39 AM
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Cnn just now-Novak saying the plan is to get troops out

Cnn just now-Novak saying the plan is to get troops out of Iraq as soon as possible-His whole presidency rests on this he says and Bush knows this -Ted Kennedy know this -and the people know this. He can not get on with his agenda SS until we get out.

heakline in near future---BUSH is a HERO--he got the troops out of IRAG!!
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:40 AM
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1. Congratulations
on your ability to stomach CNN, especially in the morning.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:42 AM
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2. bush** a hero?? How funny.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:46 AM
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3. yeah--but bet the Headlines will be close to this??
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:47 AM
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4. novak ?
must have just got karl`s latest memo.
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TrueAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:57 AM
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5. This has already been predicted
By me several months ago. They will have their little "scam" election and than the "installed" leader will declare Iraq is now a democracy and ask the US to leave. The right wing media will declare a success and the US will retreat back to their Air Bases where they will maintain for future ops in the region. (Iran). Troops will initailly come home in big numbers, but they will be back in force at the "Air Bases" by August/September preparing to do battle duting the winter months in Iran/Syria/etc.

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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:38 AM
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7. Totally agree about the "election" and US troops pulled back to bases
Bush desperately needs to create the appearance that we're done in Iraq.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:26 AM
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9. Agree
There will be ground troops however still being killed. But from Novak's signal, I would imagine that we will no longer hear about it. Expect a large victory for freedom to be held with yet more medals of freedom awarded to friggin assholes. Well, that's what the Roman's did.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:39 PM
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24. And Ted Kennedy looks a bit like a hero to the left because
he had the "guts" to call for it.

:puke:
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:14 PM
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26. I've been saying this, too. Minus the iran part. The Generals will say no.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:14 AM
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6. Congratulations Duers. We got bin Bush on the run.
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OneTwentyoNine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 09:42 AM
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8. What get them out of Iraq by way of Iran??
Opps...we just happen to stumble across the border into Iran. Ah well...let the bombing begin...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:29 PM
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28. Stumble the other way, to Saudi Arabia
Halliburton is pulling out of Iran. Iran is way too bellicose, they'll hit Israel if we invade, and we can't have that. Much easier to just aima slew of tac nukes targeted on Teheran, Esfahan, Busheer, etc. tell the Iranians in no uncertain terms to sit tight, stay the fuck out of it and we won't bomb them, and then we invade Saudi Arabia.

Who will defend Saudi? Their military? Oh, yeah, that's right, their military is US, for the most part. We do all of their security work. We know that place like the back of our hand. The cities are easily isolated, the oil fields are distinct areas, it would be easy to just declare martial law, restrict travel between cities, co-opt cooperative forces, and bully those who do not cooperate.

Saudi would be way easier than Iran, especially if we plan it right. Oh, and pay off the Arab countries in the region that don't have oil, with oil.

The perception of the Saudis within the Arab world is not uniform. Some people like their charitable aspects, others think they are cheap bastards who don't give enough, who live too large, who are bossy about the Holy Places, who make claims (re: line of descendency from Muhammed) that they have not earned. And while Syrians, Egyptians, Iraqis and those along the North African littoral have a rich cultural tradition, inventing everything from Algebra to Astronomy to Geometry and Sherbet, the damn Saudis were just a bunch of camel herders out in the sand. They didn't have that erudite, learned, cultural tradition. What they did have was bully warlords, and they had the worst property, and they had...OIL. And oil trumped all of the culture, the history, the rich traditions of those more civilized nations.

There's resentment. If handled right, it could play well for BushCo. Of course, he is culturally tone-deaf, so he will have a hard time playing the nuance, and nuance would be required in this sort of effort!
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strategery blunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:00 PM
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31. But, but, that would mean BETRAYING BU$H* CRONIE$!!!!
Can we really have that?

Have you ever read House of Bush, House of Saud?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:05 PM
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32. Not if BANDAR BUSH is crowned king
...it's a two-fer, see. You get rid of the corrupt geezers in the House of Saud, and you thrill the Equal Opportunity crowd, seeing as Bandar is the product of a prince and a Nubian slave woman.

And Bandar Bush will take orders with grace and ease, his command of English is better than weecowboy's, and hey, he's part of the family.

I've read the book!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:30 AM
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10. Reminds me of the fire chief/arsonist
who set fires so he could be the hero & put 'em out.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:02 AM
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11. They need the troops for other wars
They aren't going to bring the troops home. They only want them puled out of Iraq so they can attack someone else. They know that they can't possibly invade anyone else when their troops are still tied up in Iraq.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:56 AM
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17. Novak is lying. US plans a NO EXIT strategy - permanent military
presence.

Novak is lying on behalf of the liars-in-chief!!!
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moggie12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:11 AM
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12. Getting out ain't gonna be easy
I bet the Al Qaida guys want Iraq to stay a mess forever -- it's living proof that America is both "bad" and can be "beaten". Having this "recruitment poster" forever suits their purposes I think. And if we leave and civil war breaks out -- resulting in millions of Iraqi deaths -- well, God, how horrible. I don't think leaving is as easy as Novak is making it sound. I think it's just a smoke screen -- they're just saying they want to leave to blunt the effect of anti-war sentiment.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:36 AM
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13. Poor Iraq. We are leaving behind such a mess. Will the UN help them?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:42 AM
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15. many people feel quilty-they know we started this mess and now
feel we must stay to clean it up.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:58 AM
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18. That's why they voted for Bush? Unfortuately, most are egotistical,
and couldn't care less about the Iraqis who they claim to have 'liberated' because they were so oppressed.
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itzamirakul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:21 PM
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22. Clean it up how???
By shooting and napalming and torturing even more Iraqi citizens? There is very little work going on to rebuild the infrastructure even in those places that are supposed to be relatively calm.

I guess our mode of clean-up is to allow real estate developers and other corporate types to come in and build tourist destinations and high rise apartments for luxury living, etc and damn the average Iraqi.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:40 AM
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14. Permanent military bases...Doonesbury today
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:44 AM
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16. right on Doonsbery!!
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:03 PM
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19. Here's my prediction
The "new" government in Iraq (Allawi) will conveniently request that the US leave. Of course, it'll be important to leave some forces there, and plenty of independent contractors to help out with the oil, but other than that...

The only part of my theory I can't figure out is how they could leave without training Iraqi forces. Will they leave it to Europe? Will they shuttle them out of Iraq for training? Is there a way they could get some sort of independent private contractors to handle much of that as well?
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:07 PM
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20. What do you mean is "presidency rests on this"
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 12:10 PM by Generator
He's already been selected. He's planning on an '08 run? He cares that he's not liked? Bush's feelings (he found one) are hurt?

Don't buy it. Bush thinks he's the messiah. We will be in Iraq until the neo-cons are gone. He will never ever ever admit defeat. If he wanted to be popular and secure the last election he could have pulled the troops out much earlier. Instead he just used Blackwell, since cheating doesn't interfere with his ideology-only admiting that his idea of shoving "freedom" down people's throat-literally-we will torture you and kill you and eventually you will relent-doesn't work.

You think he's going to give up on his grand idea? Ideas are what make ideolgists. It doesn't have anything to do with what actually is happening. I just saw a headline that said that Bush says the new leaders will want the troops to stay. Of course they do, they do whatever you tell them to say.

Sounds like Novak is just admitting to himself that Iraq is failed. Well, join the crowd, douchebag.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:14 PM
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21. Here you go
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&nci...

Under pressure to start bringing U.S. troops home from Iraq (news - web sites) after Sunday's election, President Bush (news - web sites) said on Saturday that the U.S. mission must keep going to help the new government get its footing.

"As democracy takes hold in Iraq, America's mission there will continue," Bush said in his weekly radio address. "Our military forces, diplomats and civilian personnel will help the newly elected government of Iraq establish security and train Iraqi military police and other forces."


He added: "Terrorist violence will not end with the election."


How can he bring them home until the "terrorists" are gone?

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:27 PM
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23. Someone tell Nofacts that they just bombed the American Embassy
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 12:27 PM by DoYouEverWonder
they are now on lock down.

We might be leaving sooner than even Bob thinks.




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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:13 PM
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25. Novak for once is right.
I'll bet anyone any amount of money the new iraq
governemt" asks us to accelerate the timetable of vietnamization...er..training their army and leaving.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:20 PM
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27. We'll know what a fine job he did for sure in 10 or 20 years
when this kid grown up and starts killing Americans...

DA
http://www.seedsofdoubt.com/distressedamerican/main.htm


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blue4barb Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:44 PM
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29. An "insider" at the White House agrees with Novak.
At TBRNews.org a supposed insider has updated "The Voice of the White House" dated January 28. The prediction is that b*sh will declare the elections a victory no matter what the outcome is. He will then withdraw the troops despite the warnings of senior military officials of a bloody civil war. The troops will be "refreshed" to prepare for future wars in Iran and Syria.

I don't how how credible this "insider" is but this scenario would not surprise me. Lots of other scary things about b*ush in this article (as if we needed any more).
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:06 PM
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33. Wonder who? Rove, or Feith on his way out the door? n/t
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blue4barb Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:15 PM
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36. Wish we knew- but whoever the voice is, he/she seems to despise b*sh.
I read some of the archived columns. Lots of comments about how dangerous b*sh has become.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:22 PM
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37. Feith resigned. Probably moving on to more clandestine operations.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 10:27 PM
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40. Ya...that's why I said OUT THE DOOR
...as in dropping a dime, on your way out the door. Spilling the beans, as it were. Why do I wonder why he left?
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JoshK Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:57 PM
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30. I'd bet heavily against it. Novak is simply reflecting one section
of thought among conservatives -- those who are aware that Iraq is an unwinnable disaster, & want to cut our losses. This group is typified by James Baker, Scowcroft, & Brzezinski (conservative, though a Democrat). Unfortunately, that group has no power any more, and all the moves Bush has made since the US election show that he is not going to listen to these "elder statesmen" types (who, although they're conservative, still belong to the "reality-based" community).

A fine article on this, by Mike Whitney, is at:

http://www.counterpunch.org/whitney01272005.html
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:07 PM
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34. I thought they just said that we're going to have to be there another
two years.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:14 PM
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35. They only need the troops for Iran, but sure the MSM will trump up Bush's
Iraq as a great success, and the flock will faithfully put him on the pedestal.
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grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:23 PM
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38. If the troops left any time soon, the place would devolve into Civil War.
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 05:24 PM by grumpy old fart
Chimp has put himself in a catch 22....he can't leave too soon, as civil war is inevitable....but his staying will just lead to more casualties....his one out, and the one I think he will use, is to have the puppet regime "tell us" to leave in the next year or so. Chimp will claim victory and move on to the next distraction, Iran, while Iraq sorts itself out under our continued covert "assistance".....
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:27 PM
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39. Yep
I was just saying to someone recently that we'll shortly declare victory and bug out. Bush's whole "yes, we'll leave if asked" is a warm-up for that. We will have the puppets ask us to leave very shortly.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:24 PM
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41. Um...no...the plan is to privatize oil wells with American companies and..
...have all the troops there.

It still won't work.

US...I'd like you to meet Quicksand. Ready? Set?

(the sounds of slow suffocation)
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