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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 02:38 AM
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Poll question: Will SS be partially privatized during Bush's second term?
I came up with a list of how US senators would most likely vote on a partial privatization of SS bill. 60 votes "YES" is needed to be filibuster proof. It seems like a couple Democrats would have to switch sides in order for this thing to pass. How do you guys see it playing out?

Would Vote “YES” (53):

Allard, Wayne - (R - CO)
Alexander, Lamar - (R - TN)
Allen, George - (R – VA)
Bennett, Robert - (R - UT)
Brownback, Sam - (R - KS)
Bunning, Jim - (R - KY)
Burns, Conrad - (R - MT)
Burr, Richard - (R - NC)
Chambliss, Saxby - (R – GA)
Coburn, Tom - (R - OK)
Cochran, Thad - (R - MS)
Coleman, Norm - (R - MN)
Collins, Susan - (R - ME)
Cornyn, John - (R - TX)
Craig, Larry - (R - ID)
Crapo, Michael - (R - ID)
DeMint, Jim - (R - SC)
DeWine, Mike - (R - OH)
Dole, Elizabeth - (R - NC)
Domenici, Pete - (R - NM)
Ensign, John - (R - NV)
Enzi, Michael - (R - WY)
Frist, Bill - (R - TN)
Graham, Lindsey - (R - SC)
Grassley, Chuck - (R - IA)
Gregg, Judd - (R - NH)
Hagel, Chuck - (R - NE)
Hatch, Orrin - (R - UT)
Hutchison, Kay - (R - TX)
Inhofe, James - (R – OK)
Isakson, Johnny - (R - GA)
Kyl, Jon - (R - AZ)
Lott, Trent - (R - MS)
Lugar, Richard - (R - IN)
Martinez, Mel - (R - FL)
McCain, John - (R - AZ)
McConnell, Mitch - (R - KY)
Murkowski, Lisa - (R - AK)
Roberts, Pat - (R - KS)
Santorum, Rick - (R - PA)
Sessions, Jeff - (R - AL)
Shelby, Richard - (R - AL)
Smith, Gordon - (R - OR)
Snowe, Olympia - (R - ME)
Specter, Arlen - (R - PA)
Stevens, Ted - (R - AK)
Sununu, John - (R - NH)
Talent, James - (R - MO)
Thomas, Craig - (R - WY)
Thune, John - (R - SD)
Vitter, David - (R - LA)
Voinovich, George - (R - OH)
Warner, John - (R - VA)

Would Vote “NO” (38):

Akaka, Daniel - (D - HI)
Biden, Joseph - (D - DE)
Bingaman, Jeff - (D - NM)
Boxer, Barbara - (D - CA)
Byrd, Robert - (D - WV)
Cantwell, Maria - (D - WA)
Carper, Thomas - (D - DE)
Clinton, Hillary - (D – NY)
Corzine, Jon - (D - NJ)
Dayton, Mark - (D - MN)
Dodd, Christopher - (D - CT)
Dorgan, Byron - (D - ND)
Durbin, Richard - (D - IL)
Feingold, Russell - (D - WI)
Harkin, Tom - (D - IA)
Inouye, Daniel - (D - HI)
Johnson, Tim - (D - SD)
Kennedy, Edward - (D - MA)
Kerry, John - (D - MA)
Kohl, Herb - (D - WI)
Landrieu, Mary - (D - LA)
Lautenberg, Frank - (D - NJ)
Leahy, Patrick - (D - VT)
Levin, Carl - (D - MI)
Lincoln, Blanche - (D - AR)
Murray, Patty - (D - WA)
Nelson, Bill - (D - FL)
Obama, Barack - (D - IL)
Pryor, Mark - (D - AR)
Reed, Jack - (D - RI)
Reid, Harry - (D - NV)
Mikulski, Barbara - (D – MD)
Rockefeller, John - (D - WV)
Salazar, Ken - (D - CO)
Sarbanes, Paul - (D - MD)
Schumer, Charles - (D - NY)
Stabenow, Debbie - (D - MI)
Wyden, Ron - (D - OR)

Tossups (9):

Baucus, Max - (D - MT)
Bayh, Evan - (D - IN)
Conrad, Kent - (D - ND)
Feinstein, Dianne - (D - CA)
Lieberman, Joseph - (D - CT)
Nelson, Ben - (D - NE)
Bond, Christopher - (R - MO)
Chafee, Lincoln - (R - RI)
Jeffords, James - (I - VT)

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 02:53 AM
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1. Yup
will be rammed through.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:18 AM
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2. Where did you get your list from?
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 03:18 AM by RobertSeattle
It doesn't jibe with TPM's lists

(R's) who will probably vote against SS "Reform"
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/conscience.php

(D's) who will probably vote for SS "Reform"
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/fainthearted.php
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nickshepDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:49 AM
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5. I put it together myself. I figured it wouldnt be 100% accurate.
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 12:48 PM by nickshepDEM
I went to issues2000.org and checked if they were in favor of personal accounts or not.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 03:32 AM
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3. This sounds like one of those stupid CNN polls
Will Bush be re-elected President?
Will the Medicaid bill be passed?

The appropriate questions are

Do you think Social Security should be privatized?
Who are you voting for?
Do you think the Medicaid bill should be passed?

Those other poll questions and their results are meaningless, useless, and promote the spread of disinformation.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:29 AM
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4. I voted no, because I think this is one we can and will win.
then again, I felt the same way about Big John on Nov. 2.
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 11:55 AM
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6. I agree. We MUST win this one! If not, it will be the
beginning of the dismantling of ALL social programs in this country! In the meantime, let's bring down the Admin. and restore us all to sanity!
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 01:25 PM
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7. Yes.
But just like everything else they do, They'll do it half-assed and under-funded. Congress will easily pass the legislation to allow younger people to pay less into the SS fund & set up "private accounts", but Bush will never get the $2 trillion thats required to replace the revenues lost because of those accounts.

Now, consider that payments into the SS fund offer a better return historically that the stock market as a whole, and that any investments made from "private accounts" will have to be in very conservative areas with very low rates of return.

So - the result will be that the people getting SS benefits now will get less, the people too young to get benes but too old to set up a "private account" will get even less, and the people with the "private accounts" will be lucky to get back what they put into them.

The Republican idea of "Social Security Reform" is to eliminate it.
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