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mockingbich Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:31 PM
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Rush Limbaugh warns Immigration Could Break GOP Majority
If something is not done, my friends, it simply is untenable. We cannot maintain our sovereignty without securing and protecting our borders. We simply can't. Not in an era where terrorists around the world seek entry to this country to attack from within.

Now, I'm going to tell you something, folks. This issue, if not handled properly by this administration, it could be the issue that severs the existing Republican coalition and could see to it to create the rise of a new Perot or somebody, where a president only needs to get 43% of the vote to win, a'la Bill Clinton, because some of the Republican coalition breaks away and votes for the newcomer. This is the issue that could cause that to happen if they're not careful.

complete article:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_012805/cont...
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:32 PM
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1. Yes, isn't it wonderful?
Your days are numbered pigboy.
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mockingbich Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:35 PM
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2. Immigration is Bush's achilles heel
This single issue proves Bush cares more about corporate interests and cheap labor more than US security

Fighting Terrorism is Bush's strong point and what got him elected by a slim majority. SHatter the GOP base's faith in his security policy and you fracture the GOP.

Time to divide and conquer!
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ProgressiveConn Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:52 PM
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7. Please dont say that.
Fighting Terrorism is Bush's strong point. All he has done is make future attacks more likely by invading Iraq. Repeating GOP talking points is a bad thing.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:51 AM
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23. It's his strong point politically.
That means even though he sucks at it, he's able to easily convince people that he's good at it.
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ProgressiveConn Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:18 PM
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24. I agree people voted for him because of it...
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 04:19 PM by ProgressiveConn
But we should refrain from saying "his strong point is TWAT" In fact we should insist that it is his weak point which it is. He claims Iraq is part of TWAT and it is NOT a success in ANY way shape or form.

People voted for him because of "moral values" too yet we all know that the man has no morals at all.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:39 PM
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3. And what a tragedy *that* would be. nt
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:39 PM
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4. Rush wringing his hands. He and we know that the corporations will win.
The only people who don't know that business will win are the abortion haters.
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:42 PM
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5. Limbaugh...
...is that an Iroquois or Navajo name?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 09:40 PM
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11. How dare you insult the Indian tribes, which are the true Americans!
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 05:57 AM
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16. Um, that's my point
I love when European Americans talk about limiting immigration. I wish my people had come up with a better immigration policy about 500 years ago.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:58 AM
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19. I know, I was being facetious
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 07:14 AM
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20. sorry, it's early
:toast:
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:51 PM
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6. We need to seize this issue
I'm convinced we can approach this as a workers' rights issue, and do so in a way that would minimize anti-hispanic sentiment.

Go after businesses that hire illegals. Make sure they pay the cost of hiring illegal immigrants - the full social costs of all services to support the workers and their families. Make the focus "cheap labor corporations" and not the workers themselves. Talk about what these businesses can get away with because they hire illegally, and how it hurts everyone.

Personally, I'd support giving illegal immigrants legal rights, just as a way of raising the cost of hiring them. Make it easy for illegal immigrants to blow the whistle on employers breaking the law.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 09:33 PM
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10. excellent post! I agree with all of it. that focus HURTS the pukes (n/t)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 10:44 PM
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12. unfair trade practices
It is also unfair to businesses who follow the law. There's another thread about an Oklahoma Fair Employment Law coming up for a vote. It doesn't seem to have any teeth, but it's got the right strategy. Unfair to workers, unfair to law abiding business owners. I don't have any problem with immigration, but I have a huge problem with worker exploitation and that's what we've got right now. It's hurting everybody.
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Red State Rebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 08:12 PM
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8. This is what I was talking about in my post about Hillary Clinton
If she takes the right tack against illegal immigration she can split the right.
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 09:23 PM
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9. Did anybody see NOW tonight. It was about how immigration was straining
local budgets in states because they are eating up a lot of social services because they are paid so low. The whole thing where they say "they do the jobs that US citizens won't do" rings hollow to me. US citizens WOULD do them if they raised the salaries, and the US citizens are underwriting the companies that hire them by providing services that they need because they are being paid a substandard wage. Is this a free market economy? When the taxpayers support businesses by subsidizing their employees?
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mockingbich Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:59 AM
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14. You're correct - illegal immigration is destroying the last 100 years
of progress in the labor movement. Greedy corporate crooks have found a way to exploit our compassion for new migrants while simultaneously turning the clock back to the 19th century in terms of unlawful working conditions and diminished wages.

Illegal Immigration = Corporate Slave Trade
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hector459 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 10:52 PM
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13. So, there is something more important than a fetus?
I love the way they cloak their racism in terms of security concerns.
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mockingbich Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 01:08 AM
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15. Racism? Who mentioned anything about race?
I see your point that some on the right may be anti-immigrant because of racism. But xenophobia on the part of a few is not an excuse to let the corporations get away with this new slave trade.

In fact, it is the black communities that are getting hit the hardest by unlawful immigration. The depressed wages are hurting the poorest americans first.

This isn't a question about race. It's a question of law enforcement. Civil liberties are protected by law. Anything that undermines the rule of law will eventually destroy the rights we've struggled centuries to obtain.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:41 AM
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18. It has everything to do with race...
Edited on Sat Jan-29-05 06:42 AM by Q
...or don't you know that Republicans have been trying to get minorities to vote for them since forever by trying to make it look as if it's the Dem party that's racist?

Look at how the Bushie Republicans acted when Democrats dared ask that Rice be held accountable for her outrights lies. They played the RACE CARD instantly. The implication being that a Dem congress doing their job of advise and CONSENT was prejudiced because she was black and republican and they were Democrat and white.

The Black communities are 'getting hit the hardest' because the Bush admin. doesn't give a flying shit about them. They join millions of other Americans that belong to the 'have-nots' and everyone knows that the only kind of welfare in Bush's America is corporate welfare.

Civil liberties? The immigrants you fear so much aren't the problem. Take a closer look at the fascist Patriot Acts and you'll see the real threat to civil liberties.

It's telling that you would quote Rush...without comment...and then go on to defend his point of view by spouting national security and rhetoric about evil immigrants.
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mockingbich Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:51 PM
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25. Don't you understand???
The democrats are going to continue to be the party on the outside unless they learn to think like the enemy.

Some people in this forum are so hard-headed and narrow minded idealogues that they seem to be incapable of understanding power politics. We don't have to endorse Rush Limbaugh or his stupid ideas... we just have to seize on them to split the enemy... GET IT!!!

I'm trying my best to say that the left can seize on this issue from the standpoint of workers rights and protection of labor. Leave race out of it...

If some on the right are zenophobes....this issue will lure them out...and they will help to torpedo the GOP with their own racist language....do you understand yet?! TRIANGULATE
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 06:19 AM
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17. Most things from the Right are clocked in "national security"--and sheep
believe it!!!!!!!
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:01 AM
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21. See, I told you so!
This is what I've been saying: there is a serious split among those on the Dark Side, and it's about immigration. This is our chance to see them split! When they split, some of them might even be able to be deprogrammed enough to back a progressive candidate.

Hey--it happened to me! As I've said before, I voted for the dirtbag criminal Bush in 2000. (Incidentally, my better half, whose lifelong hobby and education have been the study of history, already knew better, and has hated the Bush family from the very beginning. But did I listen to warnings? No... the truth hadn't reached me yet.) It took the flagrantly fraudulent, horrible Iraq war to finally wake me up. I'll never go back. And even though not all republicans seemed to be heavy Bush backers back then, the fact is they are ALL culpable for foisting this travesty on us, and I refuse to ever vote for any of their candidates again. That party should be eradicated. It is not only useless, it is harmful.

Anyway, now formerly-fat druggie Rush says that there is a serious fracture in their ranks, concerning immigration. Good! May it grow.

Now, back in my own dark days, I used to listen to The Addict. I have a distinct memory of his railing AGAINST amnesty for illegals. I have tried to place when I heard this. I remember I was painting my kitchen at the time I was listening to him, so it must've been in the late summer of 2002 that Rush was bitching about the possibility of Bush's amnesty. By early 2003, I saw the fraudulent Iraq business beginning (of course it really began long before that, but being a mere uninformed peon, I didn't know that.) So I haven't listened to Rush since then, except a few encounters while driving long distances on the highway.

Rush was reaming Bush a new one on the immigration thing back then. It was some time after that that Rush suddenly got smacked down by the beginning of the drug investigation (which still has him by the short hairs.) Coincidence? Heh. Well, Rush lives in Florida, and Florida, sadly, is Bush country...

One caveat for all of us: Rush is often wrong, of course. However, when he's right, he's right... he said he thought Kerry did not have the full support of the Clinton wing. I still don't know if that was true or not, but we (okay, the slow ones among us, like me) have since seen that Dean sure as hell does not have the full support of the Clinton wing...

Since Rush made this comment the other day, look for the drug investigation of him to heat up again... Bush the satanic "messiah" moves in mysterious ways...
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SweetLeftFoot Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:49 AM
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22. What if
the illegals are coming with huge, lovely, yummy parcels of OXY ... ohhh, ohhh, OXYCONTIN in their bellies.

Ahh, ahhh.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 08:53 PM
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26. Never thought Lush Limp Paw would ever say anything useful!
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