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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:13 PM
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An even BIGGER scandal behind Bush's "marriage program" than just payola.
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 05:43 PM by blm
While this is in the news we should take the opportunity to point out that Bush's marriage program is based on RevMoon's moonie marriage program and many of the marital "advisors" getting our tax dollars are trained at moonie seminars.

Read this article from last October and remember to ask WHERE is the rest of the media on this? The fundies have NO CLUE how thick Bush is with RevMoon. They are such fools.

It's a lengthy article but a MUST READ. It would be a GREAT rebuttal piece for ANYONE who claims Bush is a good Christian. No good Christian would align himself so closely with Moon who claims Jesus failed and he is the new messiah.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/1...

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Moonies knee-deep in faith-based funding
Pushing celibacy, marriage counseling under Bush plan
- Don Lattin, Chronicle Religion Writer
Sunday, October 3, 2004



President Bush has some new troops in his crusade to promote "healthy marriage" and teen celibacy with federal funds -- followers of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, the controversial Korean evangelist and self-proclaimed new world messiah.

At least four longtime operatives of Moon's Unification Church are on the federal payroll or getting government grants in the administration's Healthy Marriage Initiative and other "faith-based" programs.

Two of those Moon associates were in Oakland last week leading dozens of local pastors and social workers enrolled in a "Certified Marriage Education Training Seminar" at the Holiday Inn next to the Coliseum.

In some ways, Moon is an unlikely ally for President Bush's crusade to promote traditional family values.

The 85-year-old Korean is perhaps best known for presiding over mass marriage ceremonies for devotees whose unions are arranged by Moon or other church leaders. After marriage, Unification Church couples are given detailed instructions for their honeymoon, right down to the sexual positions they are supposed to assume during their first three conjugal couplings.

According to Unification Church teachings, the children born from these marriages are "blessed children,'' who, unlike the rest of humanity, are born without original sin.


At the Oakland seminar, Josephine Hauer, a graduate of the Rev. Moon's Unification Theological Seminary in New York and a newly hired "marriage specialist" with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, worked the crowd of ministers and church workers packed into a stuffy room.

"Family is a good thing," said Hauer, holding a cordless microphone in one hand and her PowerPoint remote in the other. "I want to make this a marriage culture again -- a healthy marriage culture.''
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:15 PM
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1. Moonie Marriage Program
Buy a Bush and set a policy.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:26 PM
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4. Don't let an opportunity pass to call it BUSH'S MOONIE MARRIAGE PROGRAM.
About time those two get nailed TOGETHER.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 01:47 AM
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14. Excellent correction. ITA.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:21 PM
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2. people hate moon. this needs to be out there.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:33 PM
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6. Yeah. And Bush1 AND 2 just spoke at a recent Moon event.
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 05:38 PM by blm
Fundies have NO clue how they are being used by these antiChrist fascists.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:22 PM
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3. Moon's ties to the CIA and potentially Operation Mockingbird
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 05:29 PM by EVDebs
as you can surmise yourself from Wayne Madsens' article

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen01142003.html

beg many questions. One can argue the extent of exactly how 'born again' W really is when he supports a guy who claims to be Jesus Christ incarnate (Rev. Moon) ... ""the self-declared reincarnation of Jesus Christ, the "Reverend" Sun Myung Moon of the Unification Church"" and also

""Some former Washington Times officials claim The Washington Times and its affiliates are so tied in with Moon's agenda, its reporters and staff should register with the Justice Department as foreign lobbyists under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.""


Evangelicals should be questioning this President instead of following blindly. But maybe that's asking too much from the conservatives...after all W is 'electable', and that's all they ever cared about in the first place. Shame on them.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:17 PM
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10. Moon also had 135 ministers replace their Jesus cross with the Moon crown
in recognition of Moon's "crowning" last March in our tax dollar funded Senate Dirksen building.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 02:29 PM
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24. Who are they?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 04:56 PM
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28. Sadly, mostly black ministers.
Black commentator had something about it and you could also check gorenfeld's site linked in post below for current Moon info.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:31 PM
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5. Thomas Jefferson had it right
George Fucking Bush is a goddamned idiot
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:34 PM
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8. So did Thomas Paine
"There should be an IQ requirment for holding public office"
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:56 PM
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9. He's only an idiot if the press tells the truth.
Other than that, he's brilliant at keeping his Moon alliance out of the mainstream media.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:11 PM
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29. THX Jacobin, I actually laughed out loud!
It was the excellent set up that made it so perfect.
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 05:34 PM
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7. Thanks again, blm. I'll save this one. nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 06:46 PM
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11. Don't just save it...spread it around.
Send the article to your local newsrooms.
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:34 PM
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12. Thanks for reposting this. I'm glad I reminded you about it in the
Edited on Fri Jan-28-05 07:37 PM by AirAmFan
thread on Maggie Gallagher.By googling '"Wade Horn" "faith based" marriage', I found a mother-lode of minutiae on Bush's ill-advised "marriage initiative" at http://archives.his.com/smartmarriages .

Included in the text of several years' worth of newsletters are not just columns by Maggie Gallagher but also MANY complete columns from Michael McManus, a second "reporter" already exposed as on the HHS payroll (just control-F for "column #").

In addition, there well may be mentions of illegal and scandalous HHS grants to Moonies and "payolaganda" columns from other "journalists" on the take from Wade Horn, the delusional honcho of the "marriage initiative'.
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Califooyah Operative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:09 AM
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15. yea, thanks, it's super relivent inlight of recent events...nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:41 PM
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16. That's why I jumped on it so fast. I googled Wade Horn and Moon 3yrs ago
when I first heard Bush's marriage program. He attended plenty of Moon sponsored seminars, so it wasn't difficult to see Bush was pushing Moon's marriage program.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-05 07:35 PM
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13. kick for Bush's Moonie Marriage Program
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 12:45 PM
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17. I have never understood... how the Moonie connection
to the major fundie power brokers (falwell and robertson) is never fully trumpeted ...

Certainly their followers would be disturbed by Moon (do they even remember who Moon is?)... Moon says Christ failed and that HE, Moon, is the Messiah. If that isn't sacreligeous, I don't know what is?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 01:57 PM
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18. And recently Moon convinced 135 ministers to get rid of their crosses
and replace them with crowns representing Moon's crowning as the new Messiah. Not much media attention.

The GOP claims that Democrats are trying to get rid of Jesus, and the media gives them plenty of airtime.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 02:00 PM
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19. I remember his call for churches to do this... but 135 did?
any link - could be useful to pass on at appropriate times. Thanks.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 02:12 PM
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20. try gorenfeld's site
he always has the latest dirt on Moon.

http://www.gorenfeld.net/blog/2004/07/campaign-to-put-c...
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 02:22 PM
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22. thanks for the referal!
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 02:14 PM
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21. Like PNAC, Moon's name will not be known until he wholy owns us
Until such a moment, people will burry their heads in the sand and "work harder' for non-existent elections or throw their energies in the DNC-DLC epic battle.
By the time Moon will return to the collective consciousness, you'd better refer to him as The Heavenly Father.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:58 PM
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26. You're right. We have to start attacking the very foundations of GOP power
and attacking his false religiosity by exposing his REAL alliance with RevMoon is a great start.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 02:27 PM
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23. and this is supposed to be a free society? these people are dangerous and
as far as Moon goes, his organization is labeled as a cult and not religious, for example in Japan, as I recall from when I lived there.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 12:47 PM
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27. No kidding, but here the evangelical leaders are in the wallet WITH Moon.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-05 04:51 PM
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25. Kick
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 06:22 PM
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30. List of 1000 Moonie front organizations.
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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-05 07:13 PM
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31. Conservative Christian Republican asks: Are "Paid For" Christians Hypocrit
A Conservative Christian Republican asks: Are "Paid For" Christians Hypocrites in how they Vote?
by Karl W. B. Schwarz
(Friday 12 November 2004)
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"Would Jesus lie to the world to justify an attack on another nation, the killing of now over 100,000 Iraqis? No, certainly not, but that is what George W. Bush did and then lied to get the Christian vote."
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I am an ecumenical Christian that believes that one of the most important things that God requires of me is the use of discernment. In that I mean, I am required to pay attention, use critical thinking to see things as they are, not as someone tells me to believe they are. The Bible tells me to recognize them by their fruits and when those fruits are evil the person behind them is evil too.
I do not blindly accept what George W. Bush or Cheney say to me or anyone else for that matter. I do not blindly accept what Bill OReilly, or Sean Hannity or a plethora of other talking heads say to me via their media outlets. I listen, I weigh, I research deeper and decide on facts.

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I see many Christians that blindly follow what their pastor tells them to do, even when that pastor might be dead wrong or the counsel seriously tainted maybe even to the point of being advice of commission of sin. I think and as a Christian believe that such blind obedience is dangerous and sinful.
Hitler professed his Christianity to justify his actions, so need I say more that not all that use the claim are worthy of using it? I did not support or vote for Bush Cheney because I clearly see them as fascists and arrogance of power wrapped up in a false Christianity. I see glee in death and destruction as they and their friends plunder this world for billions and trillions in present and future monies.
I am also a Conservative Republican that did not back Bush Cheney 2004 and still do not back them for good cause. I am not a fascist and I clearly see Bush Cheney as fascists that will tell you any lie to get you to buy off on their agenda. I see lies veiling unmitigated greed on a scale that is colossal and unprecedented in United States history.

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Maybe if Christians would take the time to understand the correlation between drug smuggling, drug trafficking, and US government backed mortgages and money laundering using such government bonds they would not vote so blindly next time. If they would wake up to the sheer sleaze that is our government and the greedy hogs that are plundering us all, maybe next time they would focus on issues that could put all of us either into the poor house, or dead, or a subjugated conquered nation.
If you ask most Conservative or Christian Americans if George W. Bush is pro-military, they will answer yes, of course he is; Bill OReilly, Sean Hannity and even George Bush and their minister told them so. Everyone that has read the book I wrote, One-Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas, has come away with a very clear understanding that George W. Bush is just about the worst president in the history of the United States when it comes to our military and proper use of same.
I know Christians well enough to know that many of them wait for their pastors to guide and advise them on how they should vote. What are the Christian issues in a given election that they should pay attention to and their vote be directed in that way as the Christian thing to do?
When the blind leads the blind, or the nave leads the nave, or the corrupt is advising the nave, it is very easy to wind up headed in the wrong direction.

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Are Your Tax Dollars Funding Pat Robertson?
Taking a closer look at Operation Blessing International
Lynn cited televangelist, Pat Robertson's comments on the 700 Club that an angry God had allowed the 9/11 terrorist attacks to succeed in retribution against a corrupt American society.What surprised many commentators at the time was that much of the criticism of the Bush initiative was coming from the religious right itself, including Pat Robertson. Early this year, Robertson denounced the Bush proposal, warning that the program is a "Pandora's Box" that could make legitimate religious charities dependent on government and that the government would end up financing "cults that brainwash" prospective adherents. He went on to tell his 700 Club television audience that the groups getting such funding "will begin to be nurtured, if I can use that term, on federal money, and then they can't get off of it." He added, "It'll be like a narcotic; they can't then free themselves later on."All the more surprising then, that among the very first organizations to be funded by the Bush administration's new program is Operation Blessing International, a Virginia Beach charity created by Robertson. This group is to receive $500,000 in the first wave of grants to be distributed under the faith-based initiative. The award to Operation Blessing is one of 25 announced on October 3rd by Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson. Aside from the irony involved in Robertson's own organization applying for and then accepting such "addictive" government funding, one needs to take a closer look at the finances of Operation Blessing International.
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Now, imagine what you just read. Pat Robertson comes out condemning Bush and the 9-11 attacks as being on a sinful nation and then turns around, applies for the federal money he defines as addictive, accepts it, and then advises Christians to go out and vote for Bush on the abortion and gay marriage issues. I wonder if it has occurred to Pat to condemn the rampant corruption, greed, killing, empire building, deceit, fiscal irresponsibility, Corporatization of our government and fascism that has taken hold of our government and our nation?
As far as I am concerned, Pat Robertsons counsel was bought and paid for, subject to impeachment on that issue alone, and I did not listen to him at all. I was paying attention to matters that are undermining this nation from within and without and none of them have anything whatsoever to do with abortion or gay marriage. They have to do with evil, corruption, greed, and fascism, and this nation acting in a manner that is most Un-Godly all the way up to George W. Bush.

Long artilce but worth it IMO-
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/11295
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