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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:05 PM
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STOP U.S. war plans on IRAN
Fellow DU-ers

The writing may be on the wall with regard to US plans to make war on Iran. But I will not be able to sleep at night knowing I didn't try to keep this from happening. At very least, we need to make sure that our congressmen cannot claim, months and years down the line, that they had "no idea" that these covert activities were being undertaken by the US military.

I just sent a letter to my Senators and my congressman alerting them to this unbelievable development on Iran reported in The New Yorker. (The letter is at the end of this post). Congress needs to know-- right NOW-- what US agents are up to, and they need to shut down this lunatic operation.

If you feel the same way, let your representatives know!

p.s., here is some more background on this coming fiasco, from a 1/19/05 interview of Seymour Hersh, the author of the New Yorker investigative report, by Amy Goodman, Democracy Now.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/21021/

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Of course they're planning to attack Iran. The goal of the neo-conservatives — the Paul Wolfowitzes and Doug Feiths in the Pentagon, the civilian leadership in the Pentagon — their theory is, one of the things they've learned in Iraq (they have learned something) is that regime change by overwhelming force isn't working so well. So the goal in Iran, since it's also three times as large as Iraq, and it does have a large secular population and there's a lot of reason to believe that if we hadn't gone into Iraq, there would be a lot of dissent right now in Iran over the leadership; but nonetheless, I think their thinking is, that if we hit three or four dozen targets in the spring — late spring or summer, which I think is the tentative plan — that would be roughly at the time (Israeli Prime Minister Ariel) Sharon is beginning his pullout of Gaza, and so the theory in the Pentagon (is) there would be more good feelings towards America in the Muslim world once this begins. And if Iraq can be stabilized, which they think it will — I don't know why, but they do — after the elections, if that gets stabilized, then the goal is you hit three or four targets quickly and cleanly and you be sure you're right and you have evidence to show that the Iranians are cheating more than they might — than the world knows, this could lead to the secular population, those millions of young people, etc., who don't like the clerical leadership, to overthrowing or beginning to agitate against the mullahs once again.

And the only problem with that thinking, of course, is that it's pretty much unique to those group of civilians in the Pentagon; because almost everybody else I talked to, in and out of the government, were scathing in their critique of this, saying it's absolutely hogwash, that what's going to happen, of course, is that the White House and the Pentagon is ignoring the nationalism that exists, the enormous feelings of togetherness inside Iran and love for country.


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My letter. Copy if you want to.

Dear Senator __________,

I am very concerned that the US is in the process of deliberately provoking war with Iran, and perhaps other countries as well.

Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh reported in The New Yorker magazine this week that the Pentagon has already secretly sent in forces to Iran to identify possible future military targets. In the article, titled “The Coming Wars: What the Pentagon Can Now Do in Secret,” Hersh wrote that he had been repeatedly told by intelligence and military officials, on condition of anonymity that "the next strategic target was Iran."

The Senate must act immediately to determine whether Mr. Hersh's article is accurate. If, as many suspect, it is true that preliminary steps are being taken by our own US military to make a military strike against Iran, I beg you to intervene and halt this process.

This nation's concern with Iran's potential development of nuclear weaponry can be handled through diplomacy. The US is undermining the current negotiation process between Iran and the Europeans by its refusal to participate in that process.

We, the American people, are already footing the bill-- in blood and money-- for one useless Middle Eastern war. We will not stand for another war, particularly one that is initiated in secret by raw U.S. aggression. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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aMurder.com Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:09 PM
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1. What's another illegal war?
Why not invade Iran? Why not invade North Korea? While we're at it, why not China, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Canada (for good measure). They all pose a "threat" since they aren't scrambling to lick the bottoms of the Bushistas boots.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:13 PM
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2. Bush cant be that stupid
They got Sunburn missile. They can blow up all the US bases in Iraq and Afganishtan. He better calculate real nice how he is going to deal with that.

And dropping a nuke on Iran will get a backlash so bad US will mosy probably be economically destroy.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:30 PM
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6. but "they" won't be economically destroyed
a depression hurts the vast majority of the people, but not the elites.
i'm affraid if the US economy falls, it will be deliberate.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:55 PM
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12. The
elites will have to consider that they might lose the world market and that their asset might be frozen.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:30 PM
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20. assets frozen, they might have considered that
and found it won't be much of a problem. With China and India as large emerging markets, it'll likely be temporary.
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:30 PM
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7. A lot of people thought that this country's
Edited on Mon Jan-24-05 02:31 PM by TexasLawyer
tough language against Iraq was just sabre-rattling. But look at the absolute madness the U.S. has been caught up in!

I don't want it to happen again. I am certainly not going to make the mistake of assuming that Bushco will take a reasoned and/or diplomatic approach to Iran.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:57 PM
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13. I agree
better be safe than be sorry. However the only way US can hurt Iran is by using nuke. I dont think the senate and the congress will go for it.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 04:53 PM
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22. Check out the Center for American Progress's website today.
Rumsfeld has a little cabal of his own gathering intelligence and making policy that deliberately bypasses Congress illegally already. Yet another scandal to add to the growing list of scandals. Which one will bring them down, and when, it can't be too soon.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:47 PM
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10. "Bush can't be that stupid"
never, ever underestimate the stupidity this man is capable of!
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:00 PM
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17. Well one need to be a complete
idiot to really reach for the nuke option. Bush I agreed is stupid but he still know a few words so cant call him a complete idiot.

There are some smart people around him they would have consider all options.
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jswordy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:17 PM
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3. Alternet? Really. Try reading the so-called MSM and you...
...will find that we have diplomatically already left the door wide open to Israel to attack Iran at will. Bush said it, last week. Powell said it, last week. Both made backdoor comments to the effect of:

If Iran doesn't agree to talk with the U.S. and get rid of its nuclear program, Israel may decide to take it out on its own, and then we will just have to pick up the diplomatic pieces where they lie afterward. (That's pretty close to what Powell actually said, late last week.)

If anyone attacks Iran, it will be Israel and that attack will likely be a contained heavy air strike and maybe nothing more, as far as ground troops or paratroops. I would expect a supportive military posture by the U.S. in the region, just in case, but I would not expect active involvement unless the situation goes horribly wrong in some remotely possible way.

The cooling of tensions between Israel and the Palestinians will act to help Israel be able to focus more of its military attention on the Iranian nuclear problem.

Bush is going to Europe soon, and part of his meetings will be with Putin. I am sure a green light to this kind of Israeli action will be requested in private meetings. And likely granted, as Russia has a geographic interest in deterring an Iranian nuclear threat.
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:24 PM
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4. oh, is THAT all?
listen, if this strike against Iran happens, there's going to be more than just "diplomatic pieces" to pick up, when all is said and done.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:08 PM
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19. No
Russia China and India are with Iran in this. US wont get a nod from Russia for sure.

Bush to Nato and EU might be over Turkey threath to take over part of Iraq. The Kurdist part.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:26 PM
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5. What purpose does it serve to attack Iran?
A better question is, who does it serve to attack Iran? Iran isn't a threat to us with or without atomic weapons. They are a threat to Israel and Saudi Arabia. So which is? Who are we doing this for. The idea that Iranians will rise up against their government after we attack them is crazy. The whole line of reasoning is totally against American interests. It can't be just greed. It has to be the work of foreign influence. Even Dick Cheney must realize by now that he'll never get control of the Iraqi oil. So how can he even look crossway's at Iran? I just think there's something else at work here.
:tinfoilhat:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:36 PM
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8. threat? it's not about threats.
Iraq wasn't a threat - nor, arguably, Afganistan.
There's more oil in the Caspean sea area, and there are pipelines that need to be build and guarded.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:59 PM
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16. They ought to know by now they can't control that oil.
It ought to be obvious to even the most thick skulled idiot that they can't get the oil for themselves. I just get the feeling that we're going to a lot of trouble for oil. Iraq is smaller than Iran and if we can't control Iraq how can we ever hope to control Iran?

And they keep insisting there won't be a draft. That's even crazier given their talk about war with Iran.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:40 PM
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21. It might be harder then the thought it would be.
But to me it looks like they do have control. Not complete control, but still. It's not like someone else is taking it, it's just that the yield isn't as much as they'd like. There are interruptions and losses, and the pipe line needs to be repaired all the time. In addition Iraq may in fact be running out of oil, it may have had it's local "peak oil". But there's more in the Caspian sea area, and Iran is needed for pipe lines.
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:39 PM
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9. Not going to happen.
Worring aloud about an invasion of Iran is playing into their hands. Rove knows that an invasion of Iran would be a GOP's own political tsunami, even if the PNACers don't. And we know who runs the show.

Here's what they want: They want Iran to make any consession, any consession at all no matter how small, which then be played up as a major cave in made possible by our invasion of Iraq. Thy're counting on the MSM to play along, just like they did when chimp took credit for Britain's work on bringing Libya around.

The "disarming" of iran will become HR Block reason #563 why Iraq (from which chimp will cut and run under the auspices of the Iraqi government's request) was a bold visionary idea.

I wouldn't be surprised if the RNC starts to actually feul a debate over the invasion of Iran in the near future. Dems will be smart to laugh aloud at any talk of an iran invasion, dismiss it as more of the same fearmongering from people who can only win by scaring the shit out of americans.





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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:51 PM
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11. But why send in commandos?
And why purposefully derail the European negotiations? The U.S. could hog the credit for the success of the negotiations, as it always does.

Also, why is it playing into the neo-con's hands to put what is allegedly happening in Iran front and center before the American public and before congress? Won't that frighten Iran even more into granting concessions?

Also, I am past believing that the Rovians will concern themselves with "political tsunamis". When you own the mainstream media and the ballot box, you can do anything you want without significant repercussions.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:04 PM
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18. They need to check out what the Russian is doing there
Thats my guess. Remember the UFO sighting near the Iran Nuclear facilities. Russian send in some resources to help shoot down the UFO haha.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:57 PM
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14. I like your letter...I added a paragraph at the end:
I would also encourage you and your colleagues in the Senate to investigate the attempts now underway in the Pentagon under the leadership of the PNAC neocons to create a new, separate intelligence group that would circumvent the requirements to report to Congress. We all know (as has been reported by Seymour Hersh and Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski) that Douglas Feith of the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans has already incited one war based on fraudulent and exaggerated intelligence. It's time to stop the warmongers!
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 02:59 PM
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15. That's an excellent addition.
Thanks. I was hoping someone else would write a letter!
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 08:51 PM
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25. kick n/t
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 08:29 PM
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23. Anyone else going to
write a letter alerting Senators and Representatives on the Hersh allegations?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-05 10:17 AM
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24. Kick
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 12:18 AM
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26. Yes. Already have and will write more and will certainly use yours!
Excellent letter and I also really like Roland99's addition.

Thanks guys. I'll be mail merging a ton of those tommorrow :)

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