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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 06:47 PM
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Rosenberg, Fowler...national security. Dean.."they defined the issues"
Edited on Sat Jan-08-05 06:47 PM by madfloridian
From the DNC conference in Atlanta today:

http://scrutinyhooligans.blogspot.com /

SNIP..."Fowler, Rosenberg, and Dean stood out as the front runners. Here are their paraphrased/butchered answers:

What are the top two reasons we lost the Presidential election?

Dean: Republicans framed the issues, Democrats had no coherent message.

Rosenberg: the National Security issue wasn't well addressed, the Values issues weren't well addressed.

Fowler: the National Security issue wasn't well addressed, democrats conceded too much territory.SNIP..."

My words:Dean is the only one who thought in terms other than national security. Rosenberg said on Fox in September that the war was a "good idea."

Disclaimer: I would rather Dean stay with DFA, so this is just an interesting observation on my part. I want to be safe, but I think this emphasis on trying to be like them on security is just too much.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 06:55 PM
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1. Note: That These 3 Are Frontrunners Is The Bloggers Opinion
and I might agree after surveying the various answers they apparently gave except-

I don't know what the other 4 think.

And it seems since Heads of both Senate & Congressional Dems are supporting Roemer... HE would be considered frontrunner... although this idea gives me a server case of agita.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 06:56 PM
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2. I agree with Dean
that "Republicans framed the issues, Democrats had no coherent message."

I also agree that national security & values weren't well addressed.

And they all point to the problem of the campaign: What was the message? I'm not Bush.

The real problem is that lots of Dems don't know what they stand for anymore, except winning.
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latteromden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 06:57 PM
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3. Bad responses on SM & DF's ends. What happens when the issues change?
We'll still lose, if we don't take control of the debate and refine our message, no matter what the issues are!

I'd honestly like to see Rosenberg stay on with the NDN and create a viable alternative to the DLC. I like Dean at DFA - but I think that he could provide a much needed boost the the Democratic Party itself.
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InvisibleBallots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:09 PM
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4. Rosenberg and Fowler just repeated GOP propaganda
They are, in deed if not in name, Republicans. Rosenberg and Fowler basically repeated GOP propaganda that the Democrats are weak on national security and values.

If either of these two losers are DNC chair, you can forget my vote.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:14 PM
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6. Fowler Repeated GOP Propaganda? WTF? If You'r e Going To Make
such an outrageous statement then prove HOW SO.

You won't be able to, of course... but it'd be interesting to see you try.
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InvisibleBallots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:16 PM
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7. Yes, try reading the quotes
"Dean: Republicans framed the issues, Democrats had no coherent message.

Rosenberg: the National Security issue wasn't well addressed, the Values issues weren't well addressed.

Fowler: the National Security issue wasn't well addressed, democrats conceded too much territory.SNIP..."

Rosenberg and Fowler are repeating GOP propaganda, that Democrats are weak on national security and values.
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InvisibleBallots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:17 PM
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8. and let's not forget that Rosenberg, the GOP plant, is still
covering up for the Bush administration by saying the war was a "good idea" and doing his best to justify it. Like I said, little more than a GOP plant.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:25 PM
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13. It'd Be Nice To See A Full Range Of Quotes & Positions From Rosenberg
although DU'ers certainly LOVE to jump to ill informed conclusions.
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InvisibleBallots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:28 PM
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14. yeah I'd love to read more of him repeating pro-war GOP propaganda
The war was a "good idea" - who the hell does he think he's fooling? This guy is a Democrat HOW?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 09:56 PM
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16. Don't Know... There're HOARDS Of Issues To Hear From Him On.
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InvisibleBallots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:45 PM
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18. I've heard enough
They guy may as well be a Republican. This is a yet another ticket to Loserville.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:22 PM
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10. You Still Don't Explain Anything And Apparently Didn't Read Any Other
of the questions.

Further, your comments are based soley on a bloggers reguritation of events.

Let me guess, you voted for Dean :eyes:

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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:24 PM
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12. Okay....I read the quotes you posted...
I still don't see what Fowler's transgression was. We didn't hit the Administration hard enough on National Security issues such as port security and the holes in cargo screening on planes. How is that repeating RW propaganda?
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:17 PM
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9. Almost--
They didn't repeat it, but they REACTED to it.


That is the problem.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:24 PM
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11. So YOU Think Kerry Managed To Explain His Stance RE: Iraq?
Do YOU think he managed to nail the GOP on National Security?

Do YOU really think the American people DON'T however mistakenly percieve GOP as being "strong on defense"?
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InvisibleBallots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:33 PM
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15. actually, that part about "values"
was in fact, repeating the propaganda, since Democrats did not lose on "values". As for the national security issue - the reason that Democrats are seen as "weak on national security" is because GOP plants like Rosenberg keep saying it, in public, all the time - just like the rest of the Republicans.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 07:13 PM
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5. In Eloriel's post she quoted Dean as saying about the response....
he was getting from the party. I don't have the exact words, but to this effect: Outside of DC...great response. Inside DC...not so good.

Guess that tells us TPTB don't want that much change yet. That would explain our minority leaders endorsing Roemer...who is even more right than Rosenberg.

Depends who has the power.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 10:06 PM
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17. The GOP controls most of the media and most of the voting machines.
And those are the ONLY TWO REASONS.

Any other answer is HORSESHIT and lets the media and the vote fraud OFF THE HOOK.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-08-05 11:56 PM
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19. This is why..
Dean needs to be Chair. The issues will change by the next election, but if we allow the rethugs to frame the debate and have no message of our own, it won't matter, we will lose.

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