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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:49 PM
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Poll question: Should doctors be allowed to kill by malpractice without consequences
The basic premise of malpractice reform is that if doctors are allowed to accidentally kill and vegetate their patients without any financial consequences the insurance rates will go down. My suggestion is that these guys should either do their best on each patient or not practice at all. Who here wants it to be OK for their doctor to accidentally kill them?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:50 PM
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1. Of course they should.
My name is George W. Bush, and I approve this message!
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:51 PM
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2. its all the dam lawyers fault
oh wait, i'm a lawyer, shit, i hate when i dis myself....
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:56 PM
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3. Would like to see some serious information and the tract record
of doctor leaving their profession because of malpractice suits.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 06:56 PM
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4. My 81 year old mother just died because the doctor pierced an
artery in the heart when he was trying to unblock a stint that he had just inserted days before. He terminated the operation and the stint remained block. She lived a few days until the artery or stint finally blew as she got up to go to the bathroom.

According to my sister, that doctor was very open about what he had done. He even admitted he should have done a bypass. However, we weren't given any special instructions on how to make her comfortable or how to be extra careful in her last few days while we stayed with her in the ICU. Some of us weren't even aware of how bad it was because the doctor said she would survive this.

Tell me, should he be given a freebie because she was 81?
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 09:19 PM
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10. Oh, Backlash! I'm so sorry to hear about this senseless loss.
81 is not that old these days.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 08:45 AM
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16. Thank you.
She had some good years ahead. Probably the best ones. And I couldn't help feeling that some of those ICU nurses would have a lot to say about this doctor if they could.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:02 PM
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5. Drugs consequences to be exempted also
I think that's what I heard on NPR. Gee, what a surprise! Jesus must've told him to do that.
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:05 PM
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6. The doctor's don't get hit
so much as their insurance companies/hospitals do. I don't know what the consequences are to the individual doctors.

Also, I don't consider all accidents to be malpractice. By analogy, if I were hit by a car and crippled for life, I would certainly blame a drunk driver but not necessarily any driver.

There are just too many unknowns for me to take a side in this debate. I agree with the Dems that the direct costs are small, I agree with Repubs that there are indirect costs -- though I don't know of what size and I don't trust the advocates to tell me. I have seen no data on how comparably-equipped heath systems with differing litigation componenets stack up against each other in terms of quality of care.

I thought the K/E notion of adding an independent review board as an intermediary step was an interesting one, but I'm not sure how it would play out in practice.

So in answer to your question, it might be okay for a doctor to accidentally kill me, depending on the circumstances.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:16 PM
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7. my relative died because of sloppy surgery at Grady Hospital..
he survived his heart attack, and initially did well during his recovery. But ultimately he died because of kidney failure caused by a staff infection.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:32 PM
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8. Yer either with us, or agin us.
:puke:

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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 07:46 PM
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9. Sue the bad doctors, but spare the good ones
The problem currently is that there can be huge damage awards in cases where there was little or no malpractice. Example: OBGYNS typically pay a couple hundred thousand a year for insurance, because anytime there's a flaw in a newly-born baby, there's both a strong emotional tempation and a strong financial incentive to blame the doctor and sue. Even in unclear cases, juries have a hard time resisting the "Robin Hood" impulse, figuring the "rich" doctor can take the hit, especially when they know that insurance is paying part or most of the tab. (Usually, the doctor has to pay a deductible.) Some doctors are quite wealthy, but contrary to popular opinion, the ones that specialize in primary care (family doctors) or rural-based practices are not very wealthy, especially if they are working for an HMO or other provider.

If you're female, you already know what kind of problems this situation is creating - OBGYNS are in short supply in many areas, because doctors can't/won't pay the huge premiums, and don't want the risk of being sued and marring their professional record. So they choose another, less-litigious branch of medicine. The ones that do stay run all kinds of unneeded tests and create elaborate, time-consuming paper trails, to fend off potential legal problems. The amount of time and money that is wasted on this kind of stuff is astounding. This is true not only of OBGYNs but of all branches of medicine, now.

The waste is so prevalent that, were we able to eliminate it, we could give free coverage to the 40 million uninsured Americans with the savings. So the consequences are huge.

I'm happy to see both compensatory and punitive awards in cases of actual malpractice, and don't want that to stop. I do not support caps, either. But something has to be done. Unfortunately, many frivolous (or to be charitable, mistaken) cases are brought to court because there's very little downside to suing. You find a lawyer willing to work on contingency (typically a third of the award, sometimes more), and try your luck. If nothing comes of it, so what? It's rather like going to Vegas.

Meanwhile, the damage awards are absorbed by the medical economy as another cost of doing business. That means some people who would have had health insurance have to do without, because either they or their employer can no longer afford it. The rest of us get stuck paying fourteen dollars for an aspirin in our hospital room that costs a thousand dollars a day.

In short, the real world consequences of huge damage awards against doctors who did little or no wrong are that everyone gets socked with bigger bills, and some people either get sick or die because they are no longer on a healthcare plan.

What we need is a way to weed out the frivolous or mistaken suits. Maybe something like they have in Britain - the loser of the suit has to cover some or all of the winner's legal costs. Or maybe something else. I don't have the answer, but I look forward to the public debate over this in the hope that someone else does.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 09:22 PM
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11. How much is your penis worth?
There was the case of the doctor here in Texas who was performing surgery on a man and ACCIDENTALLY cut off his penis at the base. The man sued and won.

But not if bushco have their way?

How much is YOUR penis worth?
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 09:25 PM
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12. Rising awards directly reflect the rising costs of putting right errors.
The rate of suits has remained basically flat and most of the rise in the dollar amounts reflect how much it costs to fix people after a inattentive, exhausted, or yes, incompetent fucks them up egrgiously.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 09:44 PM
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13. Read John Edwards book "Four Trials"
...made a believer out of me :)
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 10:19 PM
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14. If you won't be able to sue'em, then their sorry asses should be
Edited on Wed Jan-05-05 10:20 PM by no_hypocrisy
thrown in jail as they committed assault, battery, and/or homicide.
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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-05-05 11:23 PM
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15. This is one of those no-brainers.
I'm going with a "no." Doctors shouldn't be allowed to kill their patients without consequences. What good is lowered insurance rates if you're dead?
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