What is the most Diebold can steal?

[robbedvoter]

As I see here many gearing towards that landslide "big enough to not be stolen" I'd like to know: how many votes do we need to throw in the black box before it decides: "enough! Uncle!"
And a related question. As people wonder why we can't have a candidate "good enough to beat Bush" - where do we get the lie proof candidate? The one protected by bolts of lightning any time the slime machine makes S* up?
As people ignore the fact that we won 3 elections in a row, and like Avis, they want to "try harder, can someone quantify it for me HOW MUCH HARDER?

[DELUSIONAL]

1. bush would have won against Jesus Christ

'cause THEY (bushie mafia) counted the vote.

It was Kerry in a Landslide.

And no matter who the dems put up against the corrupt GOPigs -- the dems will never win anything of consequence -- and the Senate will erode further as more ways to hack an election are discovered.

It is no longer about running a good candidate -- Kerry was as clean as they come. He made very few errors -- bush is NOT respected or liked -- and our side has a majority.

The GOPigs also won blocking the vote of potential democrats -- young people and blacks and other groups. This time the vote rigging was witnessed. But still it doesn't matter -- 'cause the bushie mafia also controls a whole lot of the Judges.

The dems did everything they could to win a fair election -- the GOPigs weren't playing fair. We didn't have a level playing field.

Gore won in 2000 -- and Florida wasn't the only state with vote fraud. In 2002 Max Cleland won -- but the touch screen voting machines were rigged.

No matter how hard OUR side works -- it DOESN'T MATTER -- THEY CONTROL THE MACHINES -- AND THEY HACK THE VOTE.

My evidence -- 99.9% of the errors and glitches were in bushie favor. In a normal world -- this is impossible -- this however, is proof that the vote was hacked.

[fnottr]

2. By all accounts this election was pretty close

as per the polls in the final weeks. If Kerry was consistantly polling ahead in most polls, I don't think Rove could have pulled this out of his ass

[robbedvoter]

4. How big is Rove's ass?(Where is his point of shame?

And who tells you it was close? The honest polsters? Such as Gallup, oversampling GOP-ers just to keep them dead heat?

[Liberty Belle]

5. They stacked the polls, too.

Some pre-election consistently polled 60% or more Republicans, when the majority of voters are Democrats. Remember that the networks are all corporate-owned Bush supporters. So the plan was to set up an expectation that Bush would win, then rig the machines to make sure that he did.

[fnottr]

7. yeah, but even Zogby never had Kerry winning by much

I'm pretty sure he wasn't part of the conspiracy

[robbedvoter]

9. Why so sure? he was exposed in 2000 for favoring Bush

The exposee came in October, he stopped cheating, and a legend was born.
Watch him hedging now. Whores , all.

[aquart]

8. The Democrats were grinning and the Republicans suicidal

in the weeks before the election. How does that add up to CLOSE?

[fnottr]

10. The indicators were there for us

The approval rating, the stock market, etc, but no polls ever put Kerry outside of the margin of error, and that's what let people accept a Bush win. Is it bullshit? Of course it is, and I think we have plenty of evidence to be skeptical of the results. however, people *want* to believe in our democracy, the idea that a small group of people are rigging elections is terrifying to them, and if there's anything at all to indicate the race could have legitimately swung the other way, people will cling to it.

[robbedvoter]

13. Please, check the pretty picture at # 4 re: MOE

They used polls to manipulate our primaries as well - inventing the "electability" by only polling one candidate (du jour) against Bush - never the others. MOE, scmoe - polls were part of the fraud.

[fnottr]

14. Why is it we can't get any pollsters on our side

or at least to be truly unbiased? If this actually the case, then they can completely control public perception, and therefore manufacture their reality. It's just, why didn't I ever see any polls that gave Kerry a significant edge, not even a poll conducted outside of the mainstream media?

[robbedvoter]

12. And the Ohio new voter registration - dems beat GOP 10 to 1

according to the NYT. Similar news all over, BTW.
Then, 11 million martians appeared out of nowhere and we are siddently self-flagellating and wondering"where did we go wrong" and admiring "the winners" (face it, their GOTV was amazing")

[robbedvoter]

25. Here's a DU-ers comment that sums this BS up:

What battleground demographics did W lock?

Birthmark  (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-04-04 01:59 PM
Response to Original message
1. He had the imaginary vote locked up.
That's one of his advantages. Those of us in the reality based community can never hope to pick up that increasingly important demographic.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=20716#20771

[robbedvoter]

3. But it was Gore's fault he won it only "close enough to steal"

And we need to accept we lost - or else we are silly. So say the wise ones.
They won, we lost, next time we do better....Better than what exactly?

[Skink]

6. Why didn't we just hack back.

Next time let's just do it. For fun.

[robbedvoter]

11. Cuz they have the buttons, the bullhorns, the keys. And also, we

cherish democracy. It's the subject (albeit "subliminable") of this thread.

[Bucky]

15. The most Diebold can steal is 4.2% of the total vote

The most Diebold can steal is 4.2% of the total vote

I have no way of proving that this is the right number. Frankly, I have no way of knowing, or even or guessing, that this is the correct number. But it is a solid and direct answer to your question and I'm willing to repeat this answer many times with complete and utter conviction that I'm right. Therefor the answer is 4.2%

[JaneEyrez]

16. Good answer,

as they say on the Feud!

[DELUSIONAL]

18. There is the programming in the Diebold computers

and then there is the hacking of the central tabulators.

Computers are used to count the punch cards -- these can be hacked.

Computer are used to scan the paper ballots -- these can be hacked.

And then as the totals come in -- the central computers in many cases were hooked to the Internet -- or had a modem. When I told my computer engineer husband that the computers were connected to the Internet -- he went through the roof. He grew tired of all the political bad mouthing of the GOP -- he couldn't imagine that the GOP (some of his family are GOPigs) could be so evil. However, NOW he believes that the GOPigs are evil and probably hacked the election (it helped that his brother also has taken up the cause of BBV).

Bottom line -- according to computer engineers, programmers, anyone who uses WINDOWS -- any computer can be hacked if there is a will and an evil GOPig willing to do the dirty work.

What percentage of the vote was strictly on hand ballots that were hand counted and entered into a computer (with double checks for accuracy -- one person enters and one person checks)? This would be a system that I would trust. Add to the mix -- observers at each level of vote collection. Non partisan in the Sec. of State office -- without close ties to either the Democratic or the GOPigs.

It should also be illegal for the SOS to be a co-chair for the election of any candidate.

[Hello_Kitty]

19. Between that and voter suppression, it's enough.

I think a lot of it was stolen through invalidating new registrations and by suppression and intimidation. I'm reading many accounts of not enough machines causing long lines and challengers intimidating voters in Dem districts. All it would take is an average of 15 voters in each precinct in the country to be prevented from voting and voila, Chimpy has his 'mandate'.

[robbedvoter]

22. Great! So if we get 8.4 more voters...unless of course, the 4.2 is given

to the other side, in which care our 8,4 will merely help us break even....

[OneBlueSky]

17. as much as they need to win . . .

the upside is limitless . . . as long as they own and control the entire voting process, including the counting, they can pretty much do whatever the hell they want . . . apparently with no consequences whatsoever . . . such is the state of the union today . ..

[The Flaming Red Head]

20. kick

[SoCalDem]

21. 110K votes x 31 states = 3.41 million mandate

of coourse 110K in a very small state would look odd, but the differences were programmed to be made up in states that *² would never win anyway..like CA and NJ (makes it look really close too...set up for next time) and in states that would never be questioned like TEXAS, ARIZONA, Alabama, Mississippi and a few others.. No one would dream of recoounting those states, but you can bet that the "extras" are there..:)

Instant "mandate"..:puke:

[DemoTex]

23. Max nix. Stealing an election in time of war is high treason.

Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

H.L. Mencken

[robbedvoter]

24. no less than stealing it in a time of peace. Subverting the Constitution

is treason many times over, yet we sit here and watch it daily, transfixed, powelless for the past 4, 12 tears....balance of powers, bill of rights, separation of church and state - soon , only the Second Amendment will be left.