I think Hillary may change some minds tonight on TV. Just watch & see!

[mtnsnake]

She's scheduled to be on Larry King Live at 9 EST to discuss Bill's new library, but I'll bet there's more to it than that.

It's not that she's my first choice or anything, but sometimes I think Hillary Clinton takes more of a beating here by many of us liberals than she does from the right wing talk shows. Anytime I ask someone WHY she wouldn't stand a chance, or WHAT makes her so divisive, or WHAT are these supposed negatives about her...well, hardly anyone ever elaborates. Sometimes I wonder if right wing radio has affected our own thought process when it comes to this lady.

As far as right wing radio, fuck them. They'll crucify ANYONE we put out there, and besides.....since when the hell should we let those assholes influence us about who we might decide to pick. Air America is still very young, but by 2008 I think they'll pretty much negate any edge that those morons on the right wing talk shows are currently enjoying. Also, keep in mind that Hillary is the only Democrat I know of who brought Limbaugh to the verge of tears when she throttled his ass good for poking fun at Chelsea some time back.

Whenever I hear Clinton speak, she comes off as being a very heady and powerful lady, who'd probably knock the daylights out of anything the Repukes could throw at us right now. I think the reason that Repukes love to attack her so much is because they're scared shitless about her chances. Unlike some of our other pansy-ass candidates, this chick overflows with confidence. Check it out tonight at 9!

Okay, feel free to lay it on!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. The Opposition To Hillary At D U Has Two Motivations

1) She can't win...


and


2) She's a DLC symp....


Put me in the first category....

[BayCityProgressive]

2. I don't get it either

She is no more moderate than nearly anyone else in the Dem Party with any chance of winning. She is an excellent fundraiser, she is great on children's issues, women's issues, she has a solid gay rights record, and she stood up strong against medicare privatization. This is not saying I don't have some major disagreements with her, but she isn't THAT BAD.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. I Just Don' t Think She Can Win..

I have nothing but respect for her intellect though...

[Booster]

25. I watched an interview with her once and she said she was

totally against gay marriage. She is however, as I am, for civil unions which give every single right that married people have to gay people in a civil union. If the gays would just give up that damn word, we might get comeplace; who really cares what it's called if you have the exact same rights?

[robbedvoter]

3. How? She'll recant her vote for IWR?

[MSgt213]

4. I think her negative is she is a strong smart women who won't be cowered

That scares the repubs to death hence they attack her with ferociousness. Demos are scared by her because of the vicious way repubs attack her. Just my two cents.

[mtnsnake]

9. "Dems are scared by her because of the vicious way repubs attack her"

So nicely said in so few words, MSgt213!

[CBHagman]

30. But this Dem isn't scared.

I wish Limbaugh and Trent Lott and all the others would just come out and say they are afraid she is going to snip their testicles off. Then we could comfort them, send them into therapy for the rest of their natural lives, and get on with things in this country.

[napi21]

5. I happened to think Hillary would make a great president! BUT...

I also think she can't win! Like it or not, she's a woman and that's still a big problem for some people; she's adopted NY as her State, which makes her a North Eastern liberal; and she's a Clinton.

Those are just a few of the reasons, but they are very big ones!

I continue to say...we need to stay OUT OF THE SENATE when we look for Presidential Candidates!!! We can't afford to loose any more! And very very few senators have ever won the presidency unless they were VP first.

[cali]

6. Did she vote for this hideous war?

Why yes, she did. Did all dem Senators? Why no, they didn't. 23 dems voted against it. Clinton knew better.

[eleny]

7. I like her

She was right about the needs regarding health care. Now, I hear wingnuts talk about she didn't handle it right. Bru-ther. As if they knew how to pull their heads out of their asses with two hands.

I like her a lot. She's smarter than the whole right side of the aisle put together. They know it and can't stand it.

[madfloridian]

8. Read the funding of this group founded in part by Clinton.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1365751

Think about it. How different are their stances now....not much.

[goclark]

10. Aarold stole California

and you watch, he will grop his way all the way to the WH.

I learned from watching the recall, the Republicans shut their mouths, held their noises, put tape over their mouths and supported him all the way.

When will we ever learn?

[Hieronymus]

11. Hillary would

fight if she were the nominee, she certainly knows how to do that.:thumbsup:

[Knurled99]

12. Weird how everyone bashes any candidate

with connection to the DLC, yet they turn right around and say how great Bill Clinton was (who also was President of the DLC before coming into office!) I can't say I know too much about it, but maybe the DLC will help us get another president elected.

[creeksneakers2]

14. Hillary's negatives are too high now

She can't get more than about 42% now. But, she has four years to turn her image around. People don't like Hillary because of the lies they've heard about her. If in the next few years Hillary can establish the truth, she'd make a great candidate.

[mtnsnake]

15. Exactly what are these negatives?

I'm not doubting you, but I'm curious to see what these negatives are that she supposedly has and who came up with the list, if one exists.

[NYCGirl]

20. First of all, she's a woman.

Unfortunately, the US has not evolved enough yet for a woman president.

Second, anything else makes no difference.

[goclark]

16. She is a real politician!

She knows the sharks and can swim with the best of them.

I'm with her all the way to the WH!

If we just looked at electables, we would not have GWB in the WH right now.

Why must the standard be set so high for us by US?

Why must the standard bearer for the Republicans be so LOW and still win?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. If we just looked at electables, we would not have GWB in the WH right now

How so...


Bush lead Gore in practically every poll taken after the 1998 midterms...

[splat]

17. If she could soften her voice...

"Harsh and strident" is how she comes across.

[Hamlette]

18. I think you might be surprised with her popularity

I saw something on CNN, they were interviewing a focus group in Florida. Half were supporting Bush, half Kerry. Hillary came up and every single person in the group said they would vote for her if she was running! I was shocked. There was this one bubba type. He said "everyone knows she was the brains behind the Clinton administration. She'd straighten everyone in this country out in no time."

Shocking, I tell you. . .

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. I Cant Think Of A More Unreliable Compass Than A Political Focus Group...

nt

[Hamlette]

23. and you base your opinion on what?

how much noise the republican noise machine makes?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. History

The last northeasterner to win an absolute majority of the pop vote was FDR...

JFK won 50.2% and that was almost as long a time ago for all practical purposes....

Our mission is to hold our base and "steal" some red states... I don't see a plausible scenario where HRC can accomplish that mission...


Show me a plausible scenario where HRC wins OH or FL and you will get my attention ....

[Hamlette]

27. I thinking picking a candidate now is too early and I"m not advocating

for Hillary BUT I didn't think she had much of a chance in New York.

And I don't think a woman has a chance at all.

And I"m a Clarkie.

But....time will tell.

[mtnsnake]

24. I agree she is very popular, and that's why I'm surprised at the beating

she takes around here.

Maybe I've missed something elsewhere, but I've seen her get the same reactions with people as what you saw with the CNN focus group you mentioned. It seems that everywhere she goes people admire her.

[Hamlette]

28. You're only surprised because you are new

before the election we let the GOP beat on us, after the election we beat up our own.

It's a DU tradition.

Helps to spend some time on a different forum for balance. Like one on cooking or art.

[Pepperbelly]

31. True 'dat ... they're always beating on someone ... nt

[sendero]

22. There is a certain ...

... hard-to-define quality that any successful politician must have. Call it charisma or empathy or identification with the voters.

Whatever you want to call it, I have seen Hillary speak on many occassion and I don't think she has it.

At this point in time I would rather elect a Dem that I didn't agree with on every issue than run a Dem I agree with but who cannot win.

Hillary will never be in the white house, I'd bet any amount on that.

[VOX]

29. Thanks for the heads-up, mtnsnake!

:kick:

[hexola]

32. NOH08