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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:22 AM Original message |
what do we do if the party refuses to swing to the left? |
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Options Remain (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
1. they are not ignoring us. |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:25 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. i didn't just mean us at DU, i meant those like us all over the country |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
3. Remember |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:44 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. that's awfully irrelevent because of a) population increase and b) we lost |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. But, you missed my point |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. if he had run strong on the environment, defended his senate career, |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Well, personally, I think he just wanted to run |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. yep. it's a real shame, it should have worked, but still |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I think Chimpy and friends are going to self destruct |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. i agree, but i disagree that Kerry was proud to be called liberal... |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Well, he has the most liberal voting record in the Senate |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. thanks to no backbone and no explanations, and no free media |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:50 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. No, he does have a very liberal voting record |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:52 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. nonetheless, he presented himself as a centrist and wouldn't defened |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:55 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. I think his thinking might have more along the lines |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. exactly. and contrary to popular opinion, 'big dog' won because of Perot |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
4. The premise of your question is unrealistic |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. i'm just not seeing it. if they pick Reid as minority leader, and the way |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. You don't want to see it |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. *sigh* |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
56. *sigh* |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
5. Become the leadership |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. well, that's nice it'll take years to trickle up... the leadership now |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Lazy gets you nowhere |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. look, if you won't honestly comment on what i say |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
6. I was saying this during the election |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:48 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. with no IRV, Greens haven't a chance on national scale. |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
21. It's going to take time. Get ranked voting (IRV is okay but has issues) |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. ah sorry i wasn't aware of the difference... |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Have lots of info about it linked to my site, but basically |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. ah, i hadn't thought of that... you're right. |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Personally, I am intrigued by the Borda and condorcet methods |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. good! i wonder if it could get through here in Missouri... |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:51 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Seriously, the folks who want the Constitution or Libertarian parties to |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 01:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. i've been thinking that. it's something that should appeal to all |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 01:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. If we want centrist policies, we should get them by bringing |
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EndElectoral (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. If the Dem's go further right, what's the point, they no longer reflect |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. then we have got to get them to listen! |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
41. It is accept that Clinton would have beat Dole without Perot. |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. are you saying Kerry was too leftist? |
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greenohio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 05:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. Kerry was PERCEIVED to be too left to win... |
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pippin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
10. Unify around people like Dean and Kucinich |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. done and done. |
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LiberalPersona (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
14. Party swinging left or not |
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Reality Not Tin Foil (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
16. Win. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
17. The so called cenrists IGNORE THE FACT |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. thank you! you worded it much better than i could |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Start a new Party. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
33. Let Me See If I Understand This.... |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. those polled don't even know what liberal or progressive is |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I Hear That Argument All The Time |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 12:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. yes, i am standing up and saying Americans are ignorant and uneducated. |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 01:03 PM Response to Reply #33 |
51. How many identified themselves as 'progressive'? |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 01:24 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I 'm Lost |
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hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
50. Hey Codegreen... |
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codegreen (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 01:09 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. thank you thank you thank you! |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-15-04 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
55. The shift to the "left" (which, imho, is actually "right") on gun control |
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