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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:43 PM
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What are the lessons learned ?
Other than we need a credible voting process?

That the idea is not to have a better "plan" for America but to be able to tear down your opponent more than he can tear you down. Tell lies about your opponent and never talk about your own miserable record. The people will always believe the bad more than they will the good. And say it over and over and over. Repetition makes people believe it is true, no matter if it is a bald-faced lie. It's not about the future of America - it's about the future of the candidate. Are those some of the lessons learned?

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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:46 PM
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1. Mostly it's about the past of the candidate.
It's vitally important what that candidate did 35 years ago, unless, of course, that candidate is a born again Christian. Then, everything is forgiven.
Truly, the more you lie to people, the more they apparently like you.
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bri_in_austin Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:47 PM
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2. I hope that the "tear down your opponent" part
isn't a lessoned learned. That is one of the saddest things about this past election. Let's not make "tear 'em down more than they can tear us down" our motto in 2008, please.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:50 PM
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3. This last election was "The Gossip Election".
The repukes ran that campaign with the same dynamic as toxic small-town gossip.

Think about it. Perhaps there is a lesson in the above. A lesson about a lot of things.
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Hebegirl Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:54 PM
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4. I Heard it in a Folk Song
Hi Kentuck-
I do think we absolutely need a credible voting process. It's absurd and obscene that it's even an issue. I'll be working toward that end here locally, though I wish there could be a federal law (not likely under the current regime). I too think that it gets to be about the survival (and career) of the candidate, the party, etc. *** Soundbites get lodged into people like shards. (I had just posted
my first blog here, and mentioned something about learning lessons-
it was a reference to the folk song, Where Have All the flowers Gone?
Other than the reference, I am not really sure what I meant-- maybe it's just a coincidence you decided to start a discussion about this)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:04 PM
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7. Welcome Hebegirl !
Just a coincidence. There's another folk song with the line: 'There's a lesson too late for the learning....made of sand....made of sand.'
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camby Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:56 PM
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5. "tear down your opponent" - yes; "tell lies" - no.
Howdy Caintuck. We don't have to tell lies to tear down our opponent - the truth will do the job quite nicely. But we do need to GET ANGRY. That wicked minion Rush has been on a mad tear for over ten years, and people just eat that shit up. Thing is, people eat up the anger, and fail to see through his lies. But imagine the power of a message of ANGER + TRUTH. We just gotta get more liberal voices in the media. Even if you buy into the whole corporate ownership thing, there has to come a point when the corporate media interests will realize that Bush is NOT leading us down the path to prosperity - maybe at that point they will turn on him.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:07 PM
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8. Sorry camby....I don't seem to be expressing myself very well lately...
:) The lessons that I was trying to illustrate were the one that were used against the Democratic Party this past election. I would not suggest we do the same .... but the lesson is there.
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camby Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:18 PM
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10. I took you literally. I do that.
But I have had a few discussions with folks who suggest we should take that same road - so your suggestion was not as far out there as you might think.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 09:57 PM
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6. Fascists hate elections.....
The repuke fascists talk a lot about democracy, but they actually hate it.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:10 PM
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9. don't choose the most electable candidate.............
choose the one who will fight to have all the votes counted. Vote for the one who is not afraid to speak his mind on lot of subjects, including BBV machines, before the election.

Having a cute VP candidate doesn't make women vote for you.
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JaneEyrez Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:24 PM
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12. Thanks for saying that...
I get a little steamed when somebody says Edwards was a good candidate because he's so cute... of course, I get even madder when women actually say he's not hard to look at. Geez :eyes:
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:23 PM
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11. 1. It Helps to Own the News. 2. It Helps to Own the Voting Machinez
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JaneEyrez Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:24 PM
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13. Hear, Hear...
and soon, if WE don't stop them, they'll own it all!
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:27 PM
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14. Don't run a New England Liberal. Run someone who can get rural votes
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