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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:22 PM
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I told you so..It's Arnold, Arnold , Arnold....
We should have nipped this **** in the bud. Months before the Gropinator took the Governorship away from Gray Davis in my home state, I wrote an article for DU about the recall effort. It was mildly hysterical, and titled something like "Wake up, Democrats! The Repukes are about to steal California!" It wasn't published by DU, and at the time, the issue was almost totally ignored on this board. I wasn't a posting member then, but a dreaded lurker. For some reason, I hesitated to join up and post about this topic. I got angry, and stayed away from DU for awhile.

Well... he's BACK!!! He's on my welcome screen today (ugly guy, isn't he? That face,and dyed hair...) on AOL. The powers that be are pushing him for preznit. The media's falling into line...big surprise, huh? The little matter of the constitutional provision requiring a candidate to be born in the US is already deemed to be of no importance. They will push him until 2008. I guess the question is... will we roll over this time? :puke:
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:25 PM
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1. 3 months ago I would have thought your scenario to be impossible
but with the repubs holding majorities in lots of state houses a Constitutional amendment is suddenly very much with in their reach


:scared:
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:42 PM
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9. just remind anyone supporting this, that it opens it up for George Soros
to run also.

that will shut them up.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:48 PM
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39. it also opens it up for Rev. Moon
as another poster noted...

this whole ordeal makes me sick...does he have ANYTHING to run on, other than "i'm a famous star, so vote for me??" (i realize it got hime CA, but it won't get him the presidency)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:28 PM
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2. Anyone that started like arnie did...
is just wrong. He's a sick fuck and needs to be stopped. Californians can do it by voting him out in 2006..he only got 40 something % of the vote in 2002.

Is he doing such a wonderful job in Califorinia now?
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:30 PM
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4. He's dong like * is
borrowing billions, and leaving a huge bill for our grandchildren to pay. He's also kept busy doing the corporations' bidding.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:58 PM
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27. Why Wait? TOTAL RECALL 2!
One recall deserves another.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:53 PM
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40. He's doing a better job in California than Gray Davis was
He approval rating last time I checked was in the 70s.

He's supported some things I disagree with, but also some things I do agree with.

He has been somewhat successful in getting Republicans and Democrats to work together, which never happened with Gray Davis.

He's a bright guy, and does have better leadership qualities than the democrat he replaced, in the opinion of most Californians, including mine.

That isn't to say I like the guy. I think he is very probably still a sexist pig. Maria Shriver must see something in him though.

Nobody's perfect, right?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:11 PM
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48. Dammit, quit being fair!
Better than Gray Davis... if I wanted to hear someone setting a lower standard for leadership, I'd listen to Fox News. It's of course harmless to give Schwarzenneggar his due for when he does something right. But that still requires us to raise a stink whenever he or any other Republican does something bad.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:30 PM
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3. I think many a DUer had this pegged as soon as
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 04:30 PM by StClone
Arnold sought the Governship after a millionaire got the ball rolling only to bow out as Arnold came in after the recall. Notice how the recall fad has abated since the Muscle Head got in. Does this stuff happen by accident? I fear the planning by the Overlords is so far and deep that we don't know anything until it way too late.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:36 PM
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5. Who's running against him in 2006?
Them Dems need to get it together now! Otherwise it's Hasta Livista for the White House in 2008!
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:37 PM
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6. The Dems need to one up him
And run a movie star or other celebrity. Some Sacramento pol ain't gonna cut it.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:44 PM
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10. What about
Ben Afleck? He seems to be wanting to get into politics these days? He has as much experience as Arnold.
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:48 PM
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11. and his movies suck almost as bad as arnold's. n/t
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:21 PM
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18. Exactly
And with all the talent in liberal Hollywood, it shouldn't be difficult. And it should be someone with a clean background and respect for women to contrast with the Gropinator. One thing to keep in mind: even with the star power, the media won't push a lib celebrity. So he or she should be an even bigger star that the groper.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:25 PM
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20. Tom Cruise perhaps?
:)
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:31 PM
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21. Is he a Dem?
I know he's a scientologist. He does seem to have the right persona. Maybe Tom Hanks? Warren Beatty? Or does it have it to be an action figure?
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:49 PM
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25. You do NOT want a Scientologist in any public office.
Trust me on this.
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:21 PM
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30. Bruce! nt
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:25 PM
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32. Hey, Bull!
:hi: If you're talking about about Willis, he's a repuke. If you're talking about Springsteen, I'm with ya, but I don't think he lives in California.
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Doomsayer13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:36 PM
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33. Two Dems are gonna try
They are State Treasurer Phil Angelides and Attorney General Bill Lockyer. Lockyer said he actually voted for Arnold in the recall election, and since Arnold has such high approvals right now, it'll be hard for him to rationalize running against him in 2006. Angelides started positioning himself for the governorship since before the recall, but at this point he would lose to Arnold is a landslide. The only California Pol who could stand a chance is possibly Dianne Feinstein.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:38 PM
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7. He would fit the type for this junta well.
Intellectual lightweight
Falsely considered moderate
Baggage from youth is overlooked

He could slide right in and provide exactly what Georgie provides, albeit in a different style.

All they have to do is push up against that constitutional provision, the type of popular support that movement gets would be a good indicator of what Arnold's election chances might be. If the numbers look good, they could take on the provision.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 04:42 PM
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8. Hmmm, if they open it up for him to run, they also leave it open for
someone like Soros to run.

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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:00 PM
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12. Only Soros does not own the voting machines..see...
I say no..paint a short mustache on swartzwrpowtdiweoknger and portray him as hitler...since he does have that accent and all...lets get ahead of this..and paint swartzawpijqwerhetiheger as a nazi...RIGHT NOW...
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:22 PM
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19. Ah, patdem
but that would take a party with foresight and a spine...sigh...
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:47 PM
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23. Considering that he's already been exposed for saying he admired
Hitler, and people still voted for him, I doubt it would have any effect anyway.
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TriMetFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:09 PM
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14. Yes they do don't they. And who has more $money???
:)
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:48 PM
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24. I was thinking that, along with the fact that Soros is a financial expert
and has more foreign relations experience via his business dealings than Schwarzanegger could ever dream of presenting.

Not that such a match-up would ever actually occur, but hey :)
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:06 PM
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13. Defeat the "Arnold Amendment"
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 05:07 PM by eleny
I'm going to call it that every day!


Since when did we have an amendment to the Constitution specifically designed for one individual? That question could be one tactic. Even though it's meant to bolster the right wing.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:12 PM
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16. Of course the media
has already "helpfully" pointed out that this would allow some Dems to run, too. The example given is Jennifer Granholm. This is an obvious effort to make it appear that the exception is not partisan and intended only for Arnold. Unless someone starts squawking, they'll get away with it too.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:07 PM
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46. Gee - didn't we see this before SOMEWHERE?!?!
Like all the laws passed in Germany to exlcusively benifit Hitler?

America is indeed ripe for a dictatorship.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:10 PM
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15. Arnold will never get the Republican nomination
Look, I understand people are freaked out. But even if the Arnold amendment passes, we're the likely beneficiaries with people like Jennifer Granholm.

Do you really think James Dobson's going to accept Arnold? Arnold's only opportunity would be 2008 or maybe 2012 - after that he's too old. And there's no way the religious right gives up its hold on power that early. Maybe if Arnold were still around 20 years from now, but not anytime soon.

Honestly, if the amendment passes, I think the Republican that would benefit most would be Mel Martinez, who could wind up on a Republican ticket as soon as '08.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:14 PM
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17. There was little, if any, outcry from
fundies about Arnold in 2002. I honestly believe that sexual humiliation of women is not high on the fundies' list of concerns. Flame away.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:35 PM
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22. Oh I'm not going to flame you
Fundies weren't happy with Arnold in '02. They ran an alternate candidate - the far-right Tom McClintock who took nearly 20% of the recall vote.

You're free to think differently, but I firmly believe that Arnold will never be accepted by the Christian Right. Arnold may try, but he's not gonna get it.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 05:53 PM
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26. Yup. They stole the recall election just like 2000, 2002 and 2004.
Very suspicious results. We need to take this vulgar POS down NOW. Where's that picture of him fingerf**cking that girl while half a dozen people around him watch and laugh.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:15 PM
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28. Are you serious?
I've seen the nude pictures of the groper, and heard the stories. But I never saw a photo like that. Does it exixst?
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helnwhls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:20 PM
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29. these repukes are using
the constitution to wipe their asses. If they feel it will give them one penny more or a tighter grip on the short wick of the public imagination, they will garrote their own mothers and then vilify her for hating their freedom.

As a Kaleefourneean, who loves California, don't dream you are safe.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:43 PM
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35. Wiping their ass with the Constitution. Sad sad sad but true.
Party of Lincoln my big red ass!

Bake
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:21 PM
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31. I Have a Difficult Time Thinking That 3/4 of The States Would Approve!
There are basically two conditions under which an amendment to the Constitution are defined.

1. Two thirds of BOTH houses of Congress need to approve any given amendment.

OR

2. on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments (this option has never occurred in the process of ratifying any of the 27 Amendments to the Constitution)

AFTER, either condition 1 or 2 has been met then:

Such an Amendment would require that: the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths of the states would vote to ratify such an Amendment. At this current time, that would require 37.5 (38) states to vote for an Amendment for Schwarzenegger to be eligible. There was a question in 1964 when Barry Goldwater ran for President regarding his Constitutional qualifications. At the time he was born in Arizona it was a Territory of the US. There are other Constitutional time restraints, but, since I am not a Constitutional Lawyer, I will leave that to those with much more expertise than I have as a lay person in that field.

The United States Constitution: http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A2Sec1

Article II. - The Executive Branch
Section 1 - The President


No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Article V. - Amendment

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
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jzodda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:41 PM
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34. It doesnt matter
Setting aside the fact that 38 states would have to ratify any changes to the constitution for a moment do you think even for one second that a liberal republican has even a remote chance to win the Republican primaries?

These guys like Guliani and Arnold and McCain are deluding themselves. The voters that come out in Rep primaries are way way way to the right and take it very seriously. McCain was begging independants and Democrats to come and vote for him in the states that allowed that, thats how desperate he became. Then he starting calling the Republican base/establishment the "death star" LOL...So I can not see a guy (Arnold) who is even more to the left on social issues then McCain is having any chance at all.

Arnold has no chance to get nominated by his own party
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:47 PM
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37. Thank You! After 2 or 3 months of this nonsense, it was ...
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 06:48 PM by coreystone
starting to make me wonder about the civics courses in our current "no child left behind" program! :-)

Gosh! I really hope we can get rid of the "Arne in 2008" nonsense!


:crazy:


:dem:
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:46 PM
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36. I think Arnold is a better governor than Gray Davis
Most Californians do, including most democrats. However, I really don't see him making a presidential run. It would take a long time to get an ammendment through so many states.

Even if he did become president, he wouldn't be as bad as Bush (not that I would vote for him over the democrat).
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:48 PM
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38. I do not believe it is about steroid boy
anymore than the recall was. He is just a place holder. The amendment is about rupert murdoch! Think about it......the media control, the power, the multi-national media control - no, its about murdoch.
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 06:59 PM
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41. Murdoch and the rest of the "MEDIA" power brokers don't control...
three quarters of the state legislatures, nor, would there be 67 Senators, or 2/3's of the House that would let this fly.

It is a dead issue, even before considering Arny's viability, or the lack of such!!!!!!


:boring:
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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:32 PM
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42. Don't worry too much about that because by the time he would take
over our country won't exist. The chimp is taking care of destroying it right now!
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:34 PM
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43. This isn't happening, this isn't happening
this can't be happening, someone wake me up, someone wake me up....
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:39 PM
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44. Any 13 states can block an amendment. Quit being hysterical. NT
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:10 PM
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47. And we thought:
Raygun would never be president - he was too freaky.

Bunkerboy would never be president - he was too dumb and AWOL.

Democrats will take 2000 elections.

Kerry in a landslide.

Count me very skeptical that this won't happen.

Being wrong 100% of the time on all the other "it can't happen"
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:13 PM
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50. Yeh, they'll throw Jennifer Granholm in our faces to win Blue support
and it'll probably work
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:21 PM
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51. These conservatives sure are eager to change the Constitution, aren't they
This is the same party that yelled about no where in the Constitution does it speak of wellfare and social security and the related concepts.

Now they can't wait to smack the thing with a wrecking ball.

We are witnessing the theft and dismatling of our country .

Big picture they are seeing.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:14 PM
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53. I was right on each of those.
In 80 I knew that Carter was toast, months before the elections. All that was needed was to look at the voting patterns of the states.

I knew that Bush wasn't dumb. AWOL maybe, but unproven. You can't be stupid and fly a supersonic fighter. By looking at the voting patterns of the states I concluded that Bush would likely beat Gore.

I have posted here on DU, before the elections, that I was not confident of a Kerry win.

When many were posting that Bush would not agree to debates, I said he would. When they said he would not show, I said that he would show up for all three. Many claimed there would be martial law before the elections, I said it would not. I was right.

So I have a rather good record of being right.

Any thirteen states can block an amendment. It takes 37 states to pass one. There were more than 13 blue states. Lots of RWs will be against amending the constitution, even for Arnold, so it won't be just Dems vs. Reps.

So drop the hysteria. It won't even make it out of the House.

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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:28 PM
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52. Thanks for the advice.
NOT!!! If you feel that my post is hysterical, fine. Pass it on by. I won't miss your comment, which you obviously put so much thought into.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:44 PM
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45. We have to stop it NOW
We have to go after Rove before his "vision for America" comes to fruition. Make no mistake about it - the slimeball is already looking for the next candidate to take the helm - Schwarzenegger is the guy. Rove will NOT STOP until he changes this country forever.
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RunningFromCongress Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:12 PM
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49. UMMM I KNEW ABOUT THIS LIKE 8 YEARS AGO
Anyone remember the movie Demolition Man? Talk about seeing into the future...
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